iPhone X: Apple Unveils the “Future of the Smartphone” for $999

I say this having waited in-line back in 2007 for the original iPhone, $1k is a bit too much for a phone for me.
 
After reading and watching up I'm on the fence. I have a 6+ so I want to upgrade.

-Pros (as I see them)

It's beautiful, powerful and wireless (finally) charging.
The face tracking stuff for emojis is neat.
The screen rez and cameras are awesome.

-Cons

Price. A thousand bucks is not chump change.
Despite their claims a case will be absolutely necessary to protect that glass.
And this for me is the most damning thing. The sensor bar taking up part of the actual screen and the rounded corners of said screen. I 'can not' have that sensor bar taking up part of the left side of the screen while I watch video. It will annoy this shit out of me. And the rounded corners also take away a tiny fraction of the screen. Sure no action takes place in the corners of the screen but I still don't like it. I could probably adapt to it sure, but not that god damn sensor bar.

Maybe they will have a option to toggle the screen in a bit so the sensor bar doesn't stick out like a sore thumb. If they do that, I might, just might, have to bite and get one.

My 2¢
 
In surprised they put wireless charging in to be honest. Ill never use it, kills batteries like there is no tomorrow.

Oh wowes me I have to get off my fat ass ans plug a cable in!
 
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Supposedly the higher MSRP is to curb demand due to a potential lack of supply.

I think it's neat, not sure it's worth quite a grand but I might find myself having one in the next few months.
 
I don't see enough yet to make it worth it over a iPhone 8 honestly. Giving up Touch ID is a downgrade in itself. Sure, it's got a killer display.. But so does the iPhone 8.
 
Mister E said:
After reading and watching up I'm on the fence. I have a 6+ so I want to upgrade.

-Pros (as I see them)

It's beautiful, powerful and wireless (finally) charging.
The face tracking stuff for emojis is neat.
The screen rez and cameras are awesome.

-Cons

Price. A thousand bucks is not chump change.
Despite their claims a case will be absolutely necessary to protect that glass.
And this for me is the most damning thing. The sensor bar taking up part of the actual screen and the rounded corners of said screen. I 'can not' have that sensor bar taking up part of the left side of the screen while I watch video. It will annoy this shit out of me. And the rounded corners also take away a tiny fraction of the screen. Sure no action takes place in the corners of the screen but I still don't like it. I could probably adapt to it sure, but not that god damn sensor bar.

Maybe they will have a option to toggle the screen in a bit so the sensor bar doesn't stick out like a sore thumb. If they do that, I might, just might, have to bite and get one.

My 2¢
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That design issue makes me appreciate what LG did with V20 more.
LG's V20 tackled the front top bezel issue by having two independent displays, where the camera is off to the left with the secondary display to the right of the camera and having it placed atop the main display.
That secondary display remains independent to the main display and it is used for notifications, some functions, clock and some icons.

Apple's decision with iPhone X is going to add to some headache. The rounded corners don't bother me, but the sensor placement leading to this layout is kind of bothersome.
 
Reimu said:
That design issue makes me appreciate what LG did with V20 more.
LG's V20 tackled the front top bezel issue by having two independent displays, where the camera is off to the left with the secondary display to the right of the camera and having it placed atop the main display.
That secondary display remains independent to the main display and it is used for notifications, some functions, clock and some icons.

Apple's decision with iPhone X is going to add to some headache. The rounded corners don't bother me, but the sensor placement leading to this layout is kind of bothersome.
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IMO the display layout/design is truly lazy and I was hoping Apple would have used their vast budget to come up with a truly full screen display.
 
Mchart said:
IMO the display layout/design is truly lazy and I was hoping Apple would have used their vast budget to come up with a truly full screen display.
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Honestly, I think that Samsung is likely to beat Apple to the punch yet again on this one. Note 9 (?) with flexible OLED display is in the works. That will be the first production phone to have a true full screen display.
https://www.theguardian.com/technol...-galaxy-note-foldable-screen-2018-smartphones

Edit: Samsung worked on a concept in 2014.

 
Wireless charging. Cool. Everything else, meh. $1000? *laughs hysterically*
 
Xrave said:
As a EE who has designed for wireless charging, I can tell you with certainty that it is one of the hardest features to incorporate.
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I don't understand why it's hard at all, as an EE, you know that inductive coupling is as old as transformers themselves, since you designed for it, please briefly explain what is so difficult to incorporate, shielding? Honestly interested in your response.

Recently purchased a tmobile Moto Z Force for $750+tax and a free insta share projector module (I'm sure I'll find a use for it) and for $40 wireless charging https://www.motorola.com/us/products/

Not the only wireless charging android either.
 
Reimu said:
Honestly, I think that Samsung is likely to beat Apple to the punch yet again on this one. Note 9 (?) with flexible OLED display is in the works. That will be the first production phone to have a true full screen display.
https://www.theguardian.com/technol...-galaxy-note-foldable-screen-2018-smartphones

Edit: Samsung worked on a concept in 2014.

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Yup Samsung will be the first to implement something half assed and unreliable. Apple will come in later when its matured and ready for real world use.

RayderR6 said:
I don't understand why it's hard at all, as an EE, you know that inductive coupling is as old as transformers themselves, since you designed for it, please briefly explain what is so difficult to incorporate, shielding? Honestly interested in your response.

Recently purchased a tmobile Moto Z Force for $750+tax and a free insta share projector module (I'm sure I'll find a use for it) and for $40 wireless charging https://www.motorola.com/us/products/

Not the only wireless charging android either.
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Wireless charging means compromising build materials and quality as it won't work through metal. It als generates alot of heat which is a batteries worst enemy for longevity. Mixed with the internal resistance of the battery, the phone will run hot and shorten its lifespan.
 
Yeah, I find it funny how they call the iPhone 8 an improvement in design over the 7 because it has a glass rear..

Uh, yeah no. I'll take the aluminum shell of the iPhone 7 over a glass sandwich design any day.
 
aokman said:
Yup Samsung will be the first to implement something half assed and unreliable. Apple will come in later when its matured and ready for real world use.



Wireless charging means compromising build materials and quality as it won't work through metal. It als generates alot of heat which is a batteries worst enemy for longevity. Mixed with the internal resistance of the battery, the phone will run hot and shorten its lifespan.
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And we are likely to see Apple sourcing straight from Samsung, with Samsung charging Apple a premium which Apple will then mitigate to the customers. That's how it's gone with the flash memory and now the AMOLED display.

I do appreciate how polish Apple's implementation of things can be if Cupertino put its heart to it. Their bluetooth pairing is a recent example of this. The worst of Apple though comes as a caveat with the dongle implementation for 3.5mm and the bad charging method for iPad Pro stylus.
 
Come to think of it aokman, you seem more forgiving for Apple in its major usability foibles than you are with Android phone makers.
 
aokman said:
Yup Samsung will be the first to implement something half assed and unreliable. Apple will come in later when its matured and ready for real world use.



Wireless charging means compromising build materials and quality as it won't work through metal. It als generates alot of heat which is a batteries worst enemy for longevity. Mixed with the internal resistance of the battery, the phone will run hot and shorten its lifespan.
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Ya, I'll stand by for the EE whom says they work on it to chime in, you posted a lot of blah. So how did Apple overcome your blah?
 
RayderR6 said:
Ya, I'll stand by for the EE whom says they work on it to chime in, you posted a lot of blah. So how did Apple overcome your blah?
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The phone uses a stainless steel frame instead now and im assuming the back is all glass now. As for heating, no real way for them to overcome it other than internal layouts but most manufacturers give 0 shits about it anyway as batteries are a consumable item and not covered under warranty even if they die in 3 months.

Reimu said:
Come to think of it aokman, you seem more forgiving for Apple in its major usability foibles than you are with Android phone makers.
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Explain to me how I am forgiving them? Im sure as hell not buying one and i think wireless charging and faceID are idiotic features done purely as a market reaction.

Doesnt change the fact that Samsung will implement anything even if its barely beta level reliability or stability.
 
Reimu said:
That and your said OS is only ever meant to be installed on a one or two different hardware configurations, unlike Android. That's one thing Apple has done really well.
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BS, my 6+ with its 1GB of RAM is a pain in the ass...
 
86 5.0L said:
BS, my 6+ with its 1GB of RAM is a pain in the ass...
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Well aside from the fact of not knowing if the ram is causing it, you do realise your phone is 3yrs old still right?
 
aokman said:
Well aside from the fact of not knowing if the ram is causing it, you do realise your phone is 3yrs old still right?
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Lol I know, just replaced the battery, trying to get a few more months...

But the 1GB has been a limitation since I got it, apps refreshing, crashing, etc
 
Limited memory is the planned obsolescence that avoids any legal issues.
 
As someone who objects to many of Apple's practices, yet is annoyed because with a handful of changes they could be fantastic, I'm trying to look at this objectively. The iPhone X does seem to have some new tech, notably the OLED display. However, the rest of what they're pushing - from augmented reality, cameras etc... I have to wonder if this is "Apple Marketing Magical Firsts" which have really been done by everyone else before, or if they're really a cut above the hardware included in say, flagship tier Android phones like Pixel and Galaxy. I was pleasantly surprised by one thing though - that wireless charging was 1) included at all, finally. and 2) isn't some catastrophic Apple proprietary nonsense, but is Qi compatible! Honestly, props for that.

Regarding the price, I'd have to look at the actual costs and if the hardware is really that new, but considering that a Samsung Galaxy S8+ or Google Pixel are $700-ish or more, this is a modest increase at most. The more annoying increase is the Apple Premium on the storage upgrade - the $1000 version is 64gb, but it takes $1200 to get the 256gb upgrade. On one hand that is a significant increase, but come on.. for $1000 you could make every X with 256gb!

The one thing that does impress me however is Apple is offering the global iPhone Upgrade Program, which lets you basically get a new top of the line iPhone every year and adds AppleCare+ for free, if you pay in installments. The price is spread out over 24 months if you want to pay it off, but you can get a new device after 12 without any balloon payment etc. This is why nobody will bitch about the price - they're not paying $1200, they're paying $50/month up until they pay about half the cost of the thing, and then get a new one. Given that every bloody manufacturer, not just Apple, seems to treat smartphones as basically outmoded in a year, and obsolete in 2/3 (even the best Nexus and Pixel phones only are guaranteed OS upgrades for 2 years) it makes sense for those "power users' to basically lease the bloody thing I hope Google follows suit for the Pixel 2, because right now Google and most mobile carriers let you pay in installments, but do not have an easily available "you don't have to pay the whole thing" agreement. With this paradigm, people who want the newest thing and don't want to pay $600-1200 on any phone can get it, while those who don't mind holding onto a device for 2 years can basically own the thing full out after 2 years of payments. Including AppleCare+ , which I've heard is a very good thing as far as warranties are concerned , for no cost, is also a bonus. I don't commend Apple lightly , but in this alone I hope others race to catch up.
 
I am against the whole concept of installments when the performance difference between midrange and flagships are narrowing fast.
We've come to a point where it can be legitimately hard for last year's flagships (or the magical 400 buck midrangers) to lose out significantly to this year's flagship, and I think this is a trend that will continue.
As such, the idea of going for this phone and then work on installments don't seem too sweet from my pov, when we consider how bad the depreciation figures are in the 1st year.

(I must admit that Apple products don't depreciate as dramatically as Android phones though)
 
Paladin21 said:
I'll reserve judgement on the FaceID security questions until the phones are in the wild and people can play with them. I would suspect that though they might not be vulnerable to a static picture, a short animated loop might trip it up.
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It will take more than that since it measure the distance to the depths of your Iris/back of your eye to the phone and compares it to the distance to your cheek bones and nose and such to the phone, so there's active 3D mapping. You'll have to somehow replicate these variables as well. It may even take crude temperature readings of the surface of your face to validate a living being is actually in front of the phone.
 
I'm looking forward to getting one. The size is perfect for me being I think the plus is too big while the regular size is too small. No home button is a plus and facial recognition intrigues me. Now it's just a matter of deciding between the 64gb and 256g.
 
That animoji shit seems more like something Nintendo would do, or a throw away Android app..
IT wouldn't seem too stupid if Nintendo did it, miis and all.. for some reason seems stupid in a 1000$ phone.
 
Don't want to fanboy here but my issue is Pretty much everything they are announcing Android has done it 1-2 years ago.

Wireless charging - Done b4
Dual Camera - Done b4
Retina unlock & security - Done b4
Facial Tracking - Done b4 (see Tango Avatars)
Watch with Cell Connection - Done b4
Edge to edge screen - Done b4
Amoled Screen - Done b4

The only innovation is the Chip running all this. Apple Welcome to 2015
 
Lord_Exodia said:
Don't want to fanboy here but my issue is Pretty much everything they are announcing Android has done it 1-2 years ago.

Wireless charging - Done b4
Dual Camera - Done b4
Retina unlock & security - Done b4
Facial Tracking - Done b4 (see Tango Avatars)
Watch with Cell Connection - Done b4
Edge to edge screen - Done b4
Amoled Screen - Done b4

The only innovation is the Chip running all this. Apple Welcome to 2015
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But it wasn't done before by Apple, so there!
 
GT98 said:
Just looking at other hi-end phones on Verizon's site and the Samsung Note 8 is $960 (before promotional credit) and the S8+ is $860...I'd say the price isn't too terrible. Its about $40 bucks a month over 24 months (if you trade your phone in)
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its not the payment its the actual cost that's insane, this is a phone.....for 1000$......that's a mortgage payment......for a phone.......
 
Lord_Exodia said:
Don't want to fanboy here but my issue is Pretty much everything they are announcing Android has done it 1-2 years ago.

Wireless charging - Done b4
Dual Camera - Done b4
Retina unlock & security - Done b4
Facial Tracking - Done b4 (see Tango Avatars)
Watch with Cell Connection - Done b4
Edge to edge screen - Done b4
Amoled Screen - Done b4

The only innovation is the Chip running all this. Apple Welcome to 2015
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Whats your point? Why does Apple automatically have to be the first to do everything otherwise they fail?

Apple have innovated many things for the phone market, more than most.

SomeoneElse said:
its not the payment its the actual cost that's insane, this is a phone.....for 1000$......that's a mortgage payment......for a phone.......
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It's alot I agree, but you do get 50-75% of it back when its time to upgrade and sell. I got like 5-10% of Note 4's value when I sold it lol.
 
aokman said:
Whats your point? Why does Apple automatically have to be the first to do everything otherwise they fail?

It's alot I agree, but you do get 50-75% of it back when its time to upgrade and sell. I got like 5-10% of Note 4's value when I sold it lol.
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I'm getting about 1/3 of my iPhone 6 total price back after 24+ months.
 
SomeoneElse said:
its not the payment its the actual cost that's insane, this is a phone.....for 1000$......that's a mortgage payment......for a phone.......
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Hahaha....1K is more like rent in the area I live...anyways...everything gets more expensive.

Case in point: Parents bought a house in 1973 for $26K In 1989 the new car they bought cost more then the house did!

First Gen Iphone was $599 then dropped to $399 in 2007. So to double in price in 10 years (well the top end model) isn't too far of a stretch. You can still get the iPhone 8 model if you want.

Heck I've been looking for a puppy (my Dog passed away back in March) and I paid about $900 for him (Pug) in 2004...I went to a breeder a few weeks ago...$2850! Needless to say I didn't get one (was expecting $1500 or so)
 
Xaeos said:
The iPhone X does seem to have some new tech, notably the OLED display.
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Err, I agree with most of what you said except the claim that the OLED display is new tech. Maybe iPhone users weren't familiar with the benefits of OLED before but now that Apple has taken a Samsung screen and rebranded it as "Super Retina" people will be all over it. Samsung has been using OLED for years now-- as far back as the original Galaxy S in 2010. In fact, Apple buys the OLED screens in the iPhone X from Samsung. Yes, Apple does cut a notch in it at the top but I'm not really sure that counts as new tech. Almost all major OLED smartphones currently use Samsung OLED screens (Nexus, Pixel, Galaxy, OnePlus, Moto etc). Now Apple, is finally joining the party and putting Samsung screens in the iPhone. Interesting thing is that both Apple and Google aren't comfortable buying from only Samsung so they have both made massive investments in LG so that they can move away from dependence on Samsung. But as of now I think something like 97% of OLED screens for phone are made by Samsung if I remember correctly.

Samsung Display makes the best smartphone OLED screens in the world, as evidenced most recently by the Galaxy S8 and Note 8. So it makes total sense that Apple is putting a heavy reliance on the company to supply displays for the upcoming top-tier iPhone set to be announced on Tuesday, which will herald Apple’s shift to OLED technology for its flagship smartphone. According to the well-sourced KGI analyst Ming-Chi Kuo, Samsung’s position as the one and only supplier of displays for the iPhone 8 (or whatever it ends up being called) has put the company in a powerful position...

Kuo says Apple is “in urgent need of finding a second source of OLED,” which would take some of that bargaining power away from Samsung’s display unit... LG is the obvious go-to, and the Korea Economic Daily reported in July that Apple is pumping over $2 billion into LG Display to secure OLED panels for future iPhones. Google has also invested in LG’s display business, and the Pixel 2 XL is rumored to be manufactured by LG Mobile and use LG-sourced screens.
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https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/9/6/16263060/apple-iphone-8-samsung-oled-supplier

EDIT: Here's a reference to the stat that Samsung currently make 97% of all OLED phone displays. (https://www.morningstar.com/news/do...all-bet-is-reaping-big-gains-for-samsung.html)
 
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I was thinking X meant X as in 10 year anniversary.. A lot of jack for 64gb, it will sell like hotcakes, and there will be people on government assistance with no pot to piss in that own these.
 
I'm not sure when I'll get a new phone, probably when my 6 plus breaks of is really old. I was able to get mine with 64gb for $200 with trade in and a 2 year contract. I never minded the contracts as I wasn't changing my carrier anyway. Now the best they do is offer at most $300 trade-in value and pay over time. I just can't justify it. Now if I used it all day long maybe but where I work you can't have a cellphone so I only use it on the weekends or when I travel. Once I'm home I use my $350 ipad I got for $200 with trade-in.
 
Mchart said:
As a fan of iPhone's this thing is pretty lackluster. I was hoping it would have been the size of the iPhone 7/8. Instead it's even larger then the plus size.. This thing is way too fucking big. Sorry.

Also, I really don't like the removal of TouchID and generally the phone seems less capable due to the removal of the home button.

I'm really getting tired of all these companies racing to the full-retard top of super sized overly large phones.

Give me an iPhone SE sized device with the full front OLED display and the latest CPU. Why can't we go back to a size that makes more sense?
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It's not really much bigger than the 7.

iphone-8-render-7-and-7s-800x525.jpg
 
ymer said:
Join date: 2007

I can relate to that, maybe has to do with getting older and not giving a f*
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Yea....i don't give a flying F* about apple bs....my wife loves their products....not me, I could care less. They are so full of themselves its ridiculous.
 
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