Windows 10 Creators Update

BulletDust said:
Because the creators update is more about removing as opposed to creating.
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More like dumbing down tasks. Microsoft didn't like that people were deferring critical updates so they made it a requirement. Then they didn't like that people still avoided those so they wrapped them up into mandatory updates. It only took one operating system to change from what you would expect from a system used to update a personal computer, to something that mimics a cellphone or tablet. Where you just get the "update" that rolls up everything they think you need into one package. For people members of this forum, its annoying. For the other 99% of computer users, its probably a good thing since they wouldn't update their computers unless forced to anyways (I'm talking critical security updates).
 
AltTabbins said:
More like dumbing down tasks. Microsoft didn't like that people were deferring critical updates so they made it a requirement. Then they didn't like that people still avoided those so they wrapped them up into mandatory updates. It only took one operating system to change from what you would expect from a system used to update a personal computer, to something that mimics a cellphone or tablet. Where you just get the "update" that rolls up everything they think you need into one package. For people members of this forum, its annoying. For the other 99% of computer users, its probably a good thing since they wouldn't update their computers unless forced to anyways (I'm talking critical security updates).
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Not when everyone's antivirus package keeps screwing the updates and the average user is left with either a black screen with endless spinning dots or no user profile. It doesn't help that Windows informs you not to turn off your PC while applying updates, but only has spinning dots as opposed to an actual progress indicator - The update can take hours, people think data transfer has stopped and power the machine down out of frustration only to be left with half a Windows install and a corrupted user profile.
 
BulletDust said:
Not when everyone's antivirus package keeps screwing the updates and the average user is left with either a black screen with endless spinning dots or no user profile. It doesn't help that Windows informs you not to turn off your PC while applying updates, but only has spinning dots as opposed to an actual progress indicator - The update can take hours, people think data transfer has stopped and power the machine down out of frustration only to be left with half a Windows install and a corrupted user profile.
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Well come on why aren't they copying their updates to a USB stick like they are supposed to ? /s ;)
 
ChadD said:
Well come on why aren't they copying their updates to a USB stick like they are supposed to ? /s ;)
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I still can't get over the fact that some users find it necessary to resort to such extremes....
 
BulletDust said:
I still can't get over the fact that some users find it necessary to resort to such extremes....
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I can completely get over the fact that some users find it an extreme to do things like this....... and no, this is not sarcasm. Oh well, you do not have to agree with me in order for something to work..........
 
ChadD said:
Well come on why aren't they copying their updates to a USB stick like they are supposed to ? /s ;)
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I know, how DARE someone who knows what they are doing having to exhort to such extreme measures....... :D
 
ManofGod said:
I know, how DARE someone who knows what they are doing having to exhort to such extreme measures....... :D
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Exactly. That's a techs solution, not an average users solution.

Its the same reason why windows 10 s isn't going to pull any education market share back for Microsoft. Googles chrome sets up with a click... Microsoft requires someone to run around with a usb stick. Its not 1995 people don't feel they should have to run to the geek shack anymore at home... and schools don't feel like they need to hire a kid right out of high school to be the schools "tech" anymore either.

MS update is stuck in the mid 90s.
 
ChadD said:
Microsoft requires someone to run around with a usb stick.
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If a schools sysadmin has to run around with a USB stick to update endpoints, that school needs to take a good hard look at who they hired for that job.
 
ChadD said:
Exactly. That's a techs solution, not an average users solution.

Its the same reason why windows 10 s isn't going to pull any education market share back for Microsoft. Googles chrome sets up with a click... Microsoft requires someone to run around with a usb stick. Its not 1995 people don't feel they should have to run to the geek shack anymore at home... and schools don't feel like they need to hire a kid right out of high school to be the schools "tech" anymore either.

MS update is stuck in the mid 90s.
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Do you have stock in Google? You keep claiming this in every thread you participate in and yet, I just do not see it.
 
ManofGod said:
I can completely get over the fact that some users find it an extreme to do things like this....... and no, this is not sarcasm. Oh well, you do not have to agree with me in order for something to work..........
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If that's what you prefer, that's fine. There's no way I'm going to argue that point, it's your PC, update it however you wish.
 
AltTabbins said:
If a schools sysadmin has to run around with a USB stick to update endpoints, that school needs to take a good hard look at who they hired for that job.
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You guys are funny.... the usb stick machine enrollment method is how MS suggests setting up multiple windows 10 s devices. I bring it up because it just goes to show how much MS is out of touch with that market. Most North American school divisions downsized their tech depts the last number of years. MS claims to be aiming windows 10 s at education but it doesn't deal with the main reasons they lost the majority of that market already.
 
ManofGod said:
Do you have stock in Google? You keep claiming this in every thread you participate in and yet, I just do not see it.
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Really you have been rolling out windows 10 s ?

Please share I would love to hear about your experiences with doing so.
 
BulletDust said:
Not when everyone's antivirus package keeps screwing the updates and the average user is left with either a black screen with endless spinning dots or no user profile. It doesn't help that Windows informs you not to turn off your PC while applying updates, but only has spinning dots as opposed to an actual progress indicator - The update can take hours, people think data transfer has stopped and power the machine down out of frustration only to be left with half a Windows install and a corrupted user profile.
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MS = job security :D I've handled also so many calls I cant count of users inadvertently signing into random microsoft online accounts and getting locked out. Nt password reset is worth its weight in gold...
 
Got to love Microsoft... I removed a dead drive from my daughters Win10 box. Windows refused to boot after that (despite working normally before the drive removal and the drive had a completely dead filesystem so nothing critical could be there) and reported that it needs a startup fix. I boot with the media creation tool image and choose startup fix. Windows gives no options for nothing and just performs something while giving essentially zero information through the stupid and ugly flat win10 interface.

On linux I could simply configure grub for the drive I wanted to boot from to the drive I wanted. Nooo, not so with windoze.

Upon next boot the system still doesn't work but the 'boot fix' corrupted the boot sector of the media creation USB so that also that won't boot anymore...
 
My firms finally moving forward with windows 10 and I've been assigned with the image creation process. This pretty much means I have full reign to spend time on figuring out windows 10 where as before I had no time to dabble in it.

Thus far I've created a modified enterprise 1703 image without half of the provisioned apps which is great. I've gotten windows 10 CBB as close to LTSB as possible.

The issue/question I have and maybe someone knows or can point me in the right direction. In the domain setting I have some base policies turned on to further limit the windows 10 BS. I have the App Store disabled which works for all users that log into the machine. The issue I'm seeing and haven't found a whole lot of documentation on yet is the pre-configured live tiles apps such as Pandora and Netflix are still permitted to install when you click on them for the first time.

Sure you tailor the start menu to not show the tiles you dont want and that is my next step in the process as I move onto creating the sysprep image but why is this even a thing if the stores disabled? Are there additional GPOs I can enable to prevent all new installs of apps? Since Microsoft has proven they're F with your defaults on nearly every update, I'm fearful that somehow someones gonna be playing mindcraft or something when the install shouldn't have been possible without the store being enabled.
 
ChedWick said:
Are there additional GPOs I can enable to prevent all new installs of apps?
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Computer Configuration > Administrative Templates > Windows Components > Cloud Content > Turn off Microsoft consumer experiences
That should 'kill' Win10 from installing junk in the background. Luckily you're using Enterprise, since the GPO now only applies to Enterprise and Education (and was removed from Pro).
 
zero2dash said:
Computer Configuration > Administrative Templates > Windows Components > Cloud Content > Turn off Microsoft consumer experiences
That should 'kill' Win10 from installing junk in the background. Luckily you're using Enterprise, since the GPO now only applies to Enterprise and Education (and was removed from Pro).
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That I do already have enabled and does appear to work. What I'm referring to are the apps that show up on the live tiles of the start menu. Even in the Enterprise 1703 iso I used, Pandora, Eclipse Manager, Remote Desktop, Sway, Power BI etc etc all are configured on the live tiles by default. They aren't actually installed but the icons still there. They're just place holders until you click them. Then they download and install. I cant understand why they install if the stores disabled.
 
ChedWick said:
That I do already have enabled and does appear to work. What I'm referring to are the apps that show up on the live tiles of the start menu. Even in the Enterprise 1703 iso I used, Pandora, Eclipse Manager, Remote Desktop, Sway, Power BI etc etc all are configured on the live tiles by default. They aren't actually installed but the icons still there. They're just place holders until you click them. Then they download and install. I cant understand why they install if the stores disabled.
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We use a Powershell script as an SCCM Task Sequence step to purge the preinstalled apps. MS Blog - RemoveApps.zip <- Script linked from blog.

After that we place a preconfigured (uncrappified) start menu onto the system default appdata folder. New users will get it as their default. Existing users will (probably) retain the previous crufty tiles.
Export Start Layout with Powershell
Place resulting xml file in C:\Users\Default\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\Shell\LayoutModification.xml

You can also push the Start Menu layout through Group Policy: Computer Configuration -> Policies -> Administrative Templates -> Start Menu and Taskbar -> Start Layout
However, that locks in and prevents users from making their own customizations, IIRC.
 
Frobozz said:
We use a Powershell script as an SCCM Task Sequence step to purge the preinstalled apps. MS Blog - RemoveApps.zip <- Script linked from blog.

After that we place a preconfigured (uncrappified) start menu onto the system default appdata folder. New users will get it as their default. Existing users will (probably) retain the previous crufty tiles.
Export Start Layout with Powershell
Place resulting xml file in C:\Users\Default\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\Shell\LayoutModification.xml

You can also push the Start Menu layout through Group Policy: Computer Configuration -> Policies -> Administrative Templates -> Start Menu and Taskbar -> Start Layout
However, that locks in and prevents users from making their own customizations, IIRC.
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Good info. I'm currently created a "golden image" to deploy and have already stripped out all of the crap I don't want from the Enterprise ISOs install.wim. My next step was to adjust the start menu and then sysprep a base image (different from my iso installer). So the second link and the GPO for start menu layouts will help.

However, none of that addresses how apps with placeholder icons can still install when the store is disabled. Maybe after getting the image and start menu layout applied it wont be a problem, but I'm not trusting Microsoft not to F something up and put some sponsored live tiles out there that when clicked install.
 
ChedWick said:
Good info. I'm currently created a "golden image" to deploy and have already stripped out all of the crap I don't want from the Enterprise ISOs install.wim. My next step was to adjust the start menu and then sysprep a base image (different from my iso installer). So the second link and the GPO for start menu layouts will help.

However, none of that addresses how apps with placeholder icons can still install when the store is disabled. Maybe after getting the image and start menu layout applied it wont be a problem, but I'm not trusting Microsoft not to F something up and put some sponsored live tiles out there that when clicked install.
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Maybe I missed it further up in the thread, but how did you remove them?

A random, maybe helpful, thought:
There's a powershell cmdlet "Remove-AppxPackage" that will remove an .appx program, but it's just from a user account, so it would show back up for other users who would log in (and if it's in the start layout xml)

To remove it from the system you'll want to look at "Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage."

edit: updated urls
 
Frobozz said:
Maybe I missed it further up in the thread, but how did you remove them?

A random, maybe helpful, thought:
There's a powershell cmdlet "Remove-AppxPackage" that will remove an .appx program, but it's just from a user account, so it would show back up for other users who would log in (and if it's in the start layout xml)

To remove it from the system you'll want to look at "Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage."

edit: updated urls
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I used this guy's guide to strip the apps out of the iso before they're ever installed. Worked great. I basically have an enterprise ISO we can use on any machine and not have to worry about all the crap. I've already applied it to my Pro ISO for personal use as well.
 
I just did a fresh Win10 install to my daughters box and I'm disgusted by the amount of unnecessary junk Win10 installs with it. Xbox, store, news, weather, onedrive, telemetry, messaging...

Every god damn 'modern' app has to go and then some. Luckily I don't have to do this stuff often - I would probably go nuts if I had to use Windows for work lol.

Also I like how the only way to determine which drive Windows gets installed to is to disconnect every other drive from the whole computer. What a joke.
 
B00nie said:
Also I like how the only way to determine which drive Windows gets installed to is to disconnect every other drive from the whole computer. What a joke.
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What? Unless something changed in the last two weeks, you can pick any drive or partition you want. It's the same menu as it's been since vista.
 
when you start win10 setup and get to the disk select section you can see all the drives and pick one to install to. if you don't know which drive is which that's not windows fault. they are listed in order of connection. i do agree that the amount of preload shite is annoying, especially the pos games but some apps are handy.
 
B00nie said:
Also I like how the only way to determine which drive Windows gets installed to is to disconnect every other drive from the whole computer. What a joke.
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I'm also a little confused by this too. I've installed windows 10 probably 15 times int he last week and not once did it auto pick a drive.
 
well, if you just keep blindly clicking next it will go on to the first drive in the list. but ive never had it auto install to any drive unless i only had one new drive and kept blindly clicking next....
 
pendragon1 said:
well, if you just keep blindly clicking next it will go on to the first drive in the list. but ive never had it auto install to any drive unless i only had one new drive and kept blindly clicking next....
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At no point during the install from the media cration tool does it ask which drive/partition do I want to install to...
 
Be thankful you can even get the machine to boot successfully off the media creation tool.

Any time I change the boot order from the Windows boot manager to the USB stick, I boot to recovery claiming that an error has occurred and my PC needs to be restarted. Doesn't matter what USB port I use, USB 2.0, USB 3.0, the result is always the same.

I use this media creation tool in the workshop on a number of machines no problem...Very odd, but something I can't be assed looking into.
 
B00nie said:
At no point during the install from the media cration tool does it ask which drive/partition do I want to install to...
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It always does for me. After you click "Install Now" it will come up with two options: Upgrade or Custom. Pick Custom and then it will ask you where you want to install Windows to. It will show you all the drives you have connected to your computer and all the partitions on each drive.
 
Has anyone encountered Microsoft not delivering these feature updates on "expired" hardware yet? I took a Vista era computer and installed 1507 on it (RTM) and it upgraded it to 1703, specifically to test this.

I thought OEMs had to "OK" feature updates for compatibility reasons? The laptop is a Gateway which is now out of business. If not, how is Microsoft detecting compatibility; through the chipset?
 
they stopped it on certain really low-end chips like atoms. any normal desktop hardware should still work as long as there are drivers.
 
Skylinestar said:
I used to order WinXP SP2 patch-only cd direct from M$.
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I remember those days as well... ya downloading massive service packs on a 56k modem would have been painful. :) Service pack 2 was what 2004 I think not a ton of broadband around back then.

Ya MS does have a history of putting updates on media though. Its just strange that they still suggest that method now.
 
pendragon1 said:
depended on where you were i think. dsl and cable were pretty common by then and i had 10/2 cable by the end of '97.
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Wow!

'97 I was still on 56k dialup and that's all that was available unless you were loaded to the eyeballs and could afford a T1 or T3 connection.
 
with the September monthly patches they added a 'navigation bar with search box' to Internet Explorer 11...any way to get rid of it?...it's redundant having 2 navigation/search boxes on the same Menu bar when they both function exactly the same
 
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