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So if you moved the PSU to the front using the ATX bracket with the adapter would that allow you to use the lower fan on the Noctua?
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So if you moved the PSU to the front using the ATX bracket with the adapter would that allow you to use the lower fan on the Noctua?
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Got my M1 in the mail today! Swapped everything over from my 250D and didn't really pay much attention to cable management or anything, really just wanted to get familiar with the case. It is much smaller than I pictured it in my head. Build quality is excellent. I will definitely be getting some custom cables as the SF600 ones are just way to long for me and quite stiff. The Be Quiet! 240 Silent Loop fits but it is quite snug. All in all I am very happy with the case and looking forward to tearing it back down to make everything nice and as clean as possible.
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Welcome to the club. Yeah it is hard to realize just how small this case is until you have one in hand, enjoy it.
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Yes. StrawKite has a photo in that December 30 2016 post that shows the NF-F12 on the underside of the NH-C14S heatsink fins. Click the second "Spoiler" and see the second photo. Never mind, here it is:
Thanks Qrash. From looking at the pics looks like there would be room for a second slim fan on the side bracket. I would think the Noctua would cool quiet well with 2 slim fans and the 140mm mounted. Second fan would feed the PSU also.
Updated the user build gallery with a few hundred new images today, for those who might be interested. Some great looking builds in there!
I hope I will be able to submit one soon...
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Hi rframer. I did some measurements many months ago with my Silverstone SX600-G power supply in the M1's ATX bracket. I used the ATX-SFX adapter plate that came with the SX600-G. I measured 16 mm between the side of the power supply and the M1 frame, as illustrated in the image below:
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Hi rframer. I did some measurements many months ago with my Silverstone SX600-G power supply in the M1's ATX bracket. I used the ATX-SFX adapter plate that came with the SX600-G. I measured 16 mm between the side of the power supply and the M1 frame, as illustrated in the image below:
Thanks for the measurement, it looked close wasn't sure it would fit or not.
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Thanks! Happy to finally be a member; my mouse hovered over the "Buy Button" for about a year before I finally pulled the trigger. This might sound like a dumb question but I'm a noob when it comes to measuring for custom cables. Do I measure all the way to the end of the connectors or just to the end of the cables themselves? Planning on purchasing from cablemod.com if that makes a difference.
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If any one is interested, here is a link to my Imgur album of the photos I took comparing Silverstone's centered and offset ATX-SFX adapter plates in the M1. There are more measurements in some of the photos. Some of the photos have descriptions which I copied from my post from last July.
I don't really get the hate for the Noctua colour scheme. Sure, they aren't the most attractive fans around, but I have three in my M1 (including one on the side panel) and I can't see them.
And to be honest, if it's a choice of form or function, I'd take function anytime. Ideally you'd have both, of course, but you can't always get what you want!
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Just finished my M1 build, everythings fine except the AIO pump is making a "ticking" noise all the time, this noise however goes away if I slightly tilt the case to either side. Could it be there are some air bubbles in the loop that are causing the noise?
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It takes about an hour if you're creative with it. The NCase is small enough it's pretty easy to do. If you have an AIO though...I don't know how you'd bleed it. They're not designed to be opened up or anything from my understanding.
Does anyone have experience with the Zotac GTX 1080 mini and the TI mini? I am looking for a video card that can be water cooled.
It is difficult to find water blocks for these. There is one from Alphacool for the non-TI, however it looks quite tall. I would like to add a second dual radiator to the bottom (probably the HWlabs Nemesis GTS) with slim fans. Is there any solution that would fit? Maybe a slim universal water block?
It is difficult to find water blocks for these. There is one from Alphacool for the non-TI, however it looks quite tall. I would like to add a second dual radiator to the bottom (probably the HWlabs Nemesis GTS) with slim fans. Is there any solution that would fit? Maybe a slim universal water block?
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If you are looking for a GTX 1080 / 1080 Ti that can be water cooled, you should be looking at the 'standard' cards (meaning, not the too tall / too long FTW / Classified / Kingpin cards), I would go with EVGA, plenty of blocks available from EKWB for those...
There is the Zotac GTX 1080 Ti Mini ArcticStorm (meaning, with factory water block), but that is too tall & the terminal for the G1/4 fittings is a bit weird...
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"bleeding" is used euphemistically of course...
I suppose you could try a vertical GPU mod using the arctic storm cards and a bottom radiator. But I don't think you're going to have any luck unfortunately..
Why not a regular length card? - pump position issue?
Yes, I looked at that one too. Unfortunately it is not available and it is unclear whether it will ever be available and it will use an aluminum water block - the rest of my system uses copper, therefore no option for me.
vertical does not work because I have a dual side rad (EKWB). I would like to use the mini cards because there will be better airflow. The 1080 is 17 cm, which would leave the second fan of the radiator uncovered.
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Well, as I stated originally, the Zotac card with the factory water block is too tall; you will need to find a third party for this...
So if I am understanding, you have a 240 radiator in the side bracket (which is intended for radiators or fans) & you want to place a radiator on the bottom as well (which is not intended for this, but many do use this spot, with much less cooling than the side mount provides)...? If so, I can see where the desire for a shorter card comes into play...
Maybe wait it out for the RX Vega Nano, I would think EKWB would make a full-cover block for that (as they have for the R9 Nano in the past)...? Even then, I would place a single 120 rad in the bottom & use the space under the GPU for your pump...
So, RX Vega Nano GPU with water block, CPU with water block, 240 rad on side bracket, 120 rad bottom front, DDC pump bottom rear, FrozenQ reservoir rear exterior...?
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I got a dumb question (and I can't seem to find a thread about it) :
I'm about to install a blower type graphics card. Does installing a fan under the blower decrease GPU temps or is the effect not worth the fan ?
(It's this card btw : Asus Geforce GTX 1070 Turbo)
I'm about to install a blower type graphics card. Does installing a fan under the blower decrease GPU temps or is the effect not worth the fan ?
(It's this card btw : Asus Geforce GTX 1070 Turbo)
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They have very high static pressure and good flow rate, so probably not. The exception would be if it's only getting hot air for whatever reason, a fan to direct cool air towards the gpu in that case would be helpful.
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Ah thanks man ! No not really, everithing will be blowing outwards.
Yes, that is the setup I'd like to build. I think I rather take a 240 rad at the bottom though. The pump needs to go somewhere else or I take a CPU block/pump combo like the Alphacool Eisbaer. I do not have a reservoir though, I use a T-line instead to save space.
So the question remains: does anybody have experience with a slim universal GPU block that will fit the 1080 TI mini? How thick is it?
How long is the shortest GTX 1080 TI for which a water block is available? And how thick is it?
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I'm not proud of this...
I'm even less proud of the fact that I will be adding 2 more 1070 FEs in a week. Stay tuned for the 4 GPU NCase M1 build.
If you're wondering, I have a 1070 FE in the main x16 slot of my X99E-ITX/ac, and an M.2-to-PCIe x4 adapter with a PCIe to 4 USB card on a riser (because it doesn't clear the I/O) with 3 USB cables coming off of it (not really USB, they are PCIe x1 risers using USB wiring), and an SF600 powering everything with multiple 2 Molex-to-8-pin adapters + 8-pin extension cables for the 1070s, and the 1080 Ti is run with the original PCIe power cables. All cables are run out of the watercooling holes of the M1. The cards run at 70%, so the SF600 can handle 3 1070s and a 1080 Ti with 100W to spare. Again, in this image you only see the 1080 Ti. I'll post images of the final config once I get the additional 1070s, and a shot of the inside if you're interested.
And yes, I know I am part of the problem, but I was going to upgrade to a 1080 Ti anyway, and I got a great deal on 2 1070s, so... it just happened guys. It's also a fun project to make it all work out of an ITX board.
I'm even less proud of the fact that I will be adding 2 more 1070 FEs in a week. Stay tuned for the 4 GPU NCase M1 build.
If you're wondering, I have a 1070 FE in the main x16 slot of my X99E-ITX/ac, and an M.2-to-PCIe x4 adapter with a PCIe to 4 USB card on a riser (because it doesn't clear the I/O) with 3 USB cables coming off of it (not really USB, they are PCIe x1 risers using USB wiring), and an SF600 powering everything with multiple 2 Molex-to-8-pin adapters + 8-pin extension cables for the 1070s, and the 1080 Ti is run with the original PCIe power cables. All cables are run out of the watercooling holes of the M1. The cards run at 70%, so the SF600 can handle 3 1070s and a 1080 Ti with 100W to spare. Again, in this image you only see the 1080 Ti. I'll post images of the final config once I get the additional 1070s, and a shot of the inside if you're interested.
And yes, I know I am part of the problem, but I was going to upgrade to a 1080 Ti anyway, and I got a great deal on 2 1070s, so... it just happened guys. It's also a fun project to make it all work out of an ITX board.
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You should get one or two more M1s and turn them into PCI extension cases...
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Finished my NCASE M1 build a few days ago, have been benchmarking and tuning for the last couple of days and decided to share my findings:
My specs are:
Ryzen 5 [email protected]/1.3125v
Fractal Design Celsius S24 AIO
Asrock AB350 ITX motherboard
Asus GTX 1080Ti Strix
16GB 3200 DDR4 RAM
Corsair SF600 and Corsair SF Premium sleeved cables
Samsung 500GB 960 EVO NVME SSD
1x Noctua NF-A9x14 exhaust fan
2x Noctua NF-A12x15 as GPU intake fan
Here are all the parts before they are stuffed into the case:
Tubing and cable management:
Side view with everything installed:
Hardest part for me was twisting and turning the GPU inside the case and into the PCIE-slot, which made me really nervous and I had to use some brute force. I would say the 1080Ti Strix is the longest card you can fit in the NCASE, any longer and it most likely wont fit. I also like the Corsair sleeved cables much better than the stock cables and found cable management pretty easy with them. They only cost about 40 euros so if custom cables are too expensive for you they might be a good alternative.
At first I wasn't happy about the noise the build was making while under load, so first I decided to undervolt the GPU to 0.981@1954mhz and set a custom fan curve for the AIO. I also found out that the 2 bottom fans are so close to the GPU that they cause turbulence and an annoying noise so I have decided to unplug them. The bottom fans do help with temperatures, as I ran 3dMark TimeSpy benchmark with and without the bottom fans plugged and got the following results:
No bottom fans: GPU 77 celsius and 55% fan speed, CPU 64 celsius
With bottom fans: GPU 72 celsius and 47% fan speed, CPU 62 celsius
If you like to use headphones while gaming I think the 2 bottom fans are a worthy investment, but if you are like me and you value silence over raw performance you should probably skip the 2 bottom fans.
This is my first SFF PC build and I am very happy with it, only after building in this amazing case can you truly appreciate the design and engineering that has been poured into it.
My specs are:
Ryzen 5 [email protected]/1.3125v
Fractal Design Celsius S24 AIO
Asrock AB350 ITX motherboard
Asus GTX 1080Ti Strix
16GB 3200 DDR4 RAM
Corsair SF600 and Corsair SF Premium sleeved cables
Samsung 500GB 960 EVO NVME SSD
1x Noctua NF-A9x14 exhaust fan
2x Noctua NF-A12x15 as GPU intake fan
Here are all the parts before they are stuffed into the case:
Tubing and cable management:
Side view with everything installed:
Hardest part for me was twisting and turning the GPU inside the case and into the PCIE-slot, which made me really nervous and I had to use some brute force. I would say the 1080Ti Strix is the longest card you can fit in the NCASE, any longer and it most likely wont fit. I also like the Corsair sleeved cables much better than the stock cables and found cable management pretty easy with them. They only cost about 40 euros so if custom cables are too expensive for you they might be a good alternative.
At first I wasn't happy about the noise the build was making while under load, so first I decided to undervolt the GPU to 0.981@1954mhz and set a custom fan curve for the AIO. I also found out that the 2 bottom fans are so close to the GPU that they cause turbulence and an annoying noise so I have decided to unplug them. The bottom fans do help with temperatures, as I ran 3dMark TimeSpy benchmark with and without the bottom fans plugged and got the following results:
No bottom fans: GPU 77 celsius and 55% fan speed, CPU 64 celsius
With bottom fans: GPU 72 celsius and 47% fan speed, CPU 62 celsius
If you like to use headphones while gaming I think the 2 bottom fans are a worthy investment, but if you are like me and you value silence over raw performance you should probably skip the 2 bottom fans.
This is my first SFF PC build and I am very happy with it, only after building in this amazing case can you truly appreciate the design and engineering that has been poured into it.
rfarmer
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Finished my NCASE M1 build a few days ago, have been benchmarking and tuning for the last couple of days and decided to share my findings:
My specs are:
Ryzen 5 [email protected]/1.3125v
Fractal Design Celsius S24 AIO
Asrock AB350 ITX motherboard
Asus GTX 1080Ti Strix
16GB 3200 DDR4 RAM
Corsair SF600 and Corsair SF Premium sleeved cables
Samsung 500GB 960 EVO NVME SSD
1x Noctua NF-A9x14 exhaust fan
2x Noctua NF-A12x15 as GPU intake fan
Here are all the parts before they are stuffed into the case:
Tubing and cable management:
Side view with everything installed:
Hardest part for me was twisting and turning the GPU inside the case and into the PCIE-slot, which made me really nervous and I had to use some brute force. I would say the 1080Ti Strix is the longest card you can fit in the NCASE, any longer and it most likely wont fit. I also like the Corsair sleeved cables much better than the stock cables and found cable management pretty easy with them. They only cost about 40 euros so if custom cables are too expensive for you they might be a good alternative.
At first I wasn't happy about the noise the build was making while under load, so first I decided to undervolt the GPU to 0.981@1954mhz and set a custom fan curve for the AIO. I also found out that the 2 bottom fans are so close to the GPU that they cause turbulence and an annoying noise so I have decided to unplug them. The bottom fans do help with temperatures, as I ran 3dMark TimeSpy benchmark with and without the bottom fans plugged and got the following results:
No bottom fans: GPU 77 celsius and 55% fan speed, CPU 64 celsius
With bottom fans: GPU 72 celsius and 47% fan speed, CPU 62 celsius
If you like to use headphones while gaming I think the 2 bottom fans are a worthy investment, but if you are like me and you value silence over raw performance you should probably skip the 2 bottom fans.
This is my first SFF PC build and I am very happy with it, only after building in this amazing case can you truly appreciate the design and engineering that has been poured into it.
Very nice build, welcome to the club.
How are you liking the Ryzen?
Nice find on the cables, good price and lengths are good too.
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I think this is why I chose the slim Noctua fans for under my son's GTX 1070 instead of standard 25 mm thick fans. The graphics card is only 2 slots thick, unlike the Strix 1080 Ti, so that leaves about 10 mm between the Noctua fans and the 1070's 3 fans (Gigabyte G1 Gaming model) which so far has (perhaps) reduced the amount of turbulence and the noise that comes with it.
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You could also try fan shrouds (either makeshift - i.e. gutted fan frames or plastic/cardboard baffles, or something like this), which will give you some of the benefit of bottom fans without the added noise.
how were you able to clip the lower 120 fan to the NH-C14s?
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Looks great! Love the overhead screen setup. Until I tried a wider screen I probably wouldn't have understood - but ergonomically the vertical screens now make sense.
Very clean btw.. great job.
Two questions:
- The lamp?
- The watch?
Except you can
. The Phanteks 120MPs have a vastly superior noise profile (to the industrial Noctuas) and have a better static pressure (than the standard, non-industrial Noctuas). The only downside for some might be that they top out at 1800RPM. And of course, if it doesn't bother you, there's no reason to worry about it, but I dislike seeing them in a build for me that is relatively all blacked out for the most part.
Finished my NCASE M1 build a few days ago, have been benchmarking and tuning for the last couple of days and decided to share my findings:
My specs are:
Ryzen 5 [email protected]/1.3125v
Fractal Design Celsius S24 AIO
Asrock AB350 ITX motherboard
Asus GTX 1080Ti Strix
16GB 3200 DDR4 RAM
Corsair SF600 and Corsair SF Premium sleeved cables
Samsung 500GB 960 EVO NVME SSD
1x Noctua NF-A9x14 exhaust fan
2x Noctua NF-A12x15 as GPU intake fan
Here are all the parts before they are stuffed into the case:
Tubing and cable management:
Side view with everything installed:
Hardest part for me was twisting and turning the GPU inside the case and into the PCIE-slot, which made me really nervous and I had to use some brute force. I would say the 1080Ti Strix is the longest card you can fit in the NCASE, any longer and it most likely wont fit. I also like the Corsair sleeved cables much better than the stock cables and found cable management pretty easy with them. They only cost about 40 euros so if custom cables are too expensive for you they might be a good alternative.
At first I wasn't happy about the noise the build was making while under load, so first I decided to undervolt the GPU to 0.981@1954mhz and set a custom fan curve for the AIO. I also found out that the 2 bottom fans are so close to the GPU that they cause turbulence and an annoying noise so I have decided to unplug them. The bottom fans do help with temperatures, as I ran 3dMark TimeSpy benchmark with and without the bottom fans plugged and got the following results:
No bottom fans: GPU 77 celsius and 55% fan speed, CPU 64 celsius
With bottom fans: GPU 72 celsius and 47% fan speed, CPU 62 celsius
If you like to use headphones while gaming I think the 2 bottom fans are a worthy investment, but if you are like me and you value silence over raw performance you should probably skip the 2 bottom fans.
This is my first SFF PC build and I am very happy with it, only after building in this amazing case can you truly appreciate the design and engineering that has been poured into it.
Ah, the good ole' STRIX Ti. That was definitely a task getting it outfitted. I ultimately gave the card up as I wasn't a fan of the noise profile of the fans, but it definitely looked epic in the case--much like it does in yours
.Yep! The turbulence caused by fans with that particular GPU is rather terrible. I wish I had the opportunity to try it with some 10-12mm shrouds or baffles like you suggested.
Love the lamp! (we have one in our bedroom
)Looks great! Love the overhead screen setup. Until I tried a wider screen I probably wouldn't have understood - but ergonomically the vertical screens now make sense.
Very clean btw.. great job.
Two questions:
- The lamp?
- The watch?
Lamp is IKEA Fillsta. Watch is a Daniel Wellington
:Hello:
I'm quite happy with my current aircooler (U9S) but may have the opportunity to get a second-hand C14 (non S) for cheap. Would anybody know if it's possible to install 2*NF-A15PWM on the side panel? Given their weird dimensions, I'm not sure they can be both installed.
Thanks
I'm quite happy with my current aircooler (U9S) but may have the opportunity to get a second-hand C14 (non S) for cheap. Would anybody know if it's possible to install 2*NF-A15PWM on the side panel? Given their weird dimensions, I'm not sure they can be both installed.
Thanks
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Won't fit. A standard 120 mm fan and a NF-A15 barely fit together on the side bracket.
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Most users I have seen with NH C14s are using 2 X 120mm fans on the side bracket with excellent results.