Vega Rumors

I read the article and it makes no sense infinity fabric is an interconnect, doesn't matter what type of interconnect is used, that isn't where Vega's problems are......

Anyone that understands the synthetics tests, we can see where Vega fails, there are compute throughput issues, there are polygon throughput issues, there are bandwidth issues. These issues come from the Vram and the GPU itself, not the interconnect. We can throw in a rig bus with dual cross bars in there and it won't make a difference.

RX Vega is consumer Vega.

Raja's tweet makes no sense other then wait for smaller Vega lol, so why the hell make a gaming/consumer version of big Vega?

What did Raja say about Vega FE, he stated don't use that as a foundation for gaming perfomrance of RX Vega, now he saying don't look at RX Vega as a foundation of gaming/consumer performance, are they going to replace RX Vega with another Vega chip?

this is what he is doing

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Presbytier said:
So AMD is now saying wait for vega again. Why release a non optimized video card for gaming? So, is he saying a more gaming centric version is coming?
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Vega is pretty much on par with it's TFLOPs and historical correlations to nVidia. I honestly don't expect much more from drivers.

Wait for x tech has never ever come to fruition as far as I can remember.
 
Dayaks said:
Vega is pretty much on par with it's TFLOPs and historical correlations to nVidia. I honestly don't expect much more from drivers.

Wait for x tech has never ever come to fruition as far as I can remember.
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That is what makes Raja statements so weird. They claimed Vega Pro was not gaming optimized and that a gaming optimized card was coming now he is saying Vega 64,56 are not gaming optomoized but that we will make gaming optomized cards off of vega.
 
Presbytier said:
That is what makes Raja statements so weird. They claimed Vega Pro was not gaming optimized and that a gaming optimized card was coming now he is saying Vega 64,56 are not gaming optomoized but that we will make gaming optomized cards off of vega.
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Doesn't have to make sense, people will lap it up and ask for seconds.
 
Presbytier said:
That is what makes Raja statements so weird. They claimed Vega Pro was not gaming optimized and that a gaming optimized card was coming now he is saying Vega 64,56 are not gaming optomoized but that we will make gaming optomized cards off of vega.
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AMD is often going to tell people the next great thing is coming, even if it is garbage. It is cultural over there, the Vega launch was full of outright lies.

Now some people are going to be talking about when that hot new new gaming optimized Vega launches...
 
Presbytier said:
That is what makes Raja statements so weird. They claimed Vega Pro was not gaming optimized and that a gaming optimized card was coming now he is saying Vega 64,56 are not gaming optomoized but that we will make gaming optomized cards off of vega.
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I bought Vega, but tweets like this are insulting. We are indefinitely waiting for some other thing that probably won't deliver either. If, after all these years, they couldn't optimize Vega for gaming, I really don't have a lot of confidence left.
 
cybereality said:
I bought Vega, but tweets like this are insulting. We are indefinitely waiting for some other thing that probably won't deliver either. If, after all these years, they couldn't optimize Vega for gaming, I really don't have a lot of confidence left.
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That is exactly what i was thinking. It is one thing to be dissapointed it does not match a 1080ti but when availability levels out at least the 56 might be a better buy then a 1070 (especially with these memory shortages), but to say Vega 64,56 really wasn't the gaming card we promised just keep waiting is offensive to those who bought Vega.
 
Presbytier said:
That is exactly what i was thinking. It is one thing to be dissapointed it does not match a 1080ti but when availability levels out at least the 56 might be a better buy then a 1070 (especially with these memory shortages), but to say Vega 64,56 really wasn't the gaming card we promised just keep waiting is offensive to those who bought Vega.
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People should buy cards based on performance. Performance is still the same now as it was in reviews, future improvements are a wish and not a promise. What marketing people say is always going to be full of shit, including this new information from Raja. Also all companies are evil and lie to you.
 
Ocellaris said:
People should buy cards based on performance. Performance is still the same now as it was in reviews, future improvements are a wish and not a promise. What marketing people say is always going to be full of shit, including this new information from Raja. Also all companies are evil and lie to you.
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One companies are not evil, that is a pretty warped way to see the world. Are there evil companies? Sure, but let's not blanket all of them. Words have meaning and strong words should be reserved accordingly. When you have a rabid fanbase you don't toss all that good will out the window by making statements like Raja did. You would be hard pressed to see NVIDIA ever saying anything like that.
 
Presbytier said:
One companies are not evil, that is a pretty warped way to see the world. Are there evil companies? Sure, but let's not blanket all of them. Words have meaning and strong words should be reserved accordingly. When you have a rabid fanbase you don't toss all that good will out the window by making statements like Raja did. You would be hard pressed to see NVIDIA ever saying anything like that.
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The vast majority will throw ethics and morals out the window if they think they can get away with something to increase margins. I've seen it even with life saving equipment.

I agree with him in this market though. Most of my decision is based on performance & reliability at a price point.
 
cybereality said:
This thread should either be closed, or renamed "Vega hating and trolling".
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Yes it should be closed since Vega is out.

Trolling? There has been a lot of discussion on Vegas limits (as well as Nvidia), backed with data, theory of application, or just people smarter than me diving into to why feature x in either side won't automatically win the GPU war. In short the why x is better than x was done in paragraphs not trolling memes.

Hating? I willl go back but I don't think Nvidia fans are hating on Vega. I've seen more hating on Vega come from Team Red side that bought a 1080ti after waiting 16+ months for (Poor Volta) results.

Honestly want to stop the trolling? Give up on magic drivers and stop believing every driver incriminate is going to take you to the moon. Then you can stop trolling yourselves.
 
Lol I guess the rumour they're losing $100 per Vega 64 has some merits if they're coming out and saying this now.
 
Hakaba said:
Hating? I willl go back but I don't think Nvidia fans are hating on Vega. I've seen more hating on Vega come from Team Red side that bought a 1080ti after waiting 16+ months for (Poor Volta) results.
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It's hard to blame them. Radeon RX Vega 64 is a catastrophe in every single possible way.

That is no way anyone can sugarcoat this.

Compare to GeForce GTX 1080,

Radeon RX Vega 64 is...

1. Cheaper? ✗

2. Faster? ✗

3. More power efficient? ✗

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It would be pretty hard to justify buying a Radeon RX Vega 64 over a Geforce GTX 1080.
 
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_mockingbird said:
It's hard to blame blame them. Radeon RX Vega 64 is a catastrophe in every single possible way.

That is no way anyone can sugarcoat this.

Compare to GeForce GTX 1080,

Radeon RX Vega 64 is...

1. Cheaper? ✗

2. Faster? ✗

3. More power efficient? ✗

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It would be pretty hard to justify buying a Radeon RX Vega 64 over a Geforce GTX 1080.
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This is unduly harsh, while it may not be cheaper, faster or more power efficient as they claimed it is at least one year late. That part was true
 
KazeoHin said:
I'm pretty sure Vega will go down as one of the worst launches in AMD history. It didn't do a single thing right.

Late.
Overpriced.
Slow.
Hot.
Power hungry.
Impossible to buy.
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And yet you and to many others still putting in an effort to state the obvious without anything we did not already know.
 
Pieter3dnow said:
And yet you and to many others still putting in an effort to state the obvious without anything we did not already know.
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Did you know that even at 8K, a very high resolution that GCN would typically find advantageous vs lower resolution, it fails to catch up to the measly 11tflops of shader throughput the 1080Ti is rated for ?

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I don't understand what the problem with stating the obvious is, and considering the sheer number of people parrotting inane theories about ridiculous performance gains from drivers and the absence of fundamental features in the drivers I would argue that we are not stating the obvious by definition. if it were obvious, there would be fewer people making wild claims.
 
Alkaladur said:
Did you know that even at 8K, a very high resolution that GCN would typically find advantageous vs lower resolution, it fails to catch up to the measly 11tflops of shader throughput the 1080Ti is rated for ?

I don't understand what the problem with stating the obvious is, and considering the sheer number of people parrotting inane theories about ridiculous performance gains from drivers and the absence of fundamental features in the drivers I would argue that we are not stating the obvious by definition. if it were obvious, there would be fewer people making wild claims.
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How about the next few pages everyone parroted your 8K comments , In that realm it is not even interesting since framerates play no part it will not be playable or something that will be worth considering purchasing Vega for (if you can at a decent price). So even if the numbers would say it outperformed Nvidia by 2 times (8K) it still not going to have a purchase value.
 
Pieter3dnow said:
How about the next few pages everyone parroted your 8K comments , In that realm it is not even interesting since framerates play no part it will not be playable or something that will be worth considering purchasing Vega for (if you can at a decent price). So even if the numbers would say it outperformed Nvidia by 2 times (8K) it still not going to have a purchase value.
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If Vega gets 50FPS at 8K there's definitely purchase value there, what are you talking about?
 
Pieter3dnow said:
And yet you and to many others still putting in an effort to state the obvious without anything we did not already know.
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I'm angry about it. I want heads to roll. I'm not happy about Vega being an absolute turd. I have steam I want to vent. We need competition.
 
_mockingbird said:
I don't know. Maybe I am just expecting...

...a little more accountability

Is that a thing anymore?
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Accountability is there, but it's disabled for now. It's coming in an RTG patch that will arrive soon

I would have been very happy and first in line to buy it if it were good, Vega 56 might just be the saving grace if priced correctly and assuming they all OC similarly and UV etc. If Vega 56 delivers it will be competitive, which is the bare minimum you should expect.
 
Alkaladur said:
Did you know that even at 8K, a very high resolution that GCN would typically find advantageous vs lower resolution, it fails to catch up to the measly 11tflops of shader throughput the 1080Ti is rated for ?

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I don't understand what the problem with stating the obvious is, and considering the sheer number of people parrotting inane theories about ridiculous performance gains from drivers and the absence of fundamental features in the drivers I would argue that we are not stating the obvious by definition. if it were obvious, there would be fewer people making wild claims.
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As I said resolution isn't going to help Vega like it did with Fiji,

Doesn't have a shader performance advantage over Pascal like Fiji had over Maxwell.
 
razor1 said:
As I said resolution isn't going to help Vega like it did with Fiji,

Doesn't have a shader performance advantage over Pascal like Fiji had over Maxwell.
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In what way? Maxwell and Pascal cores perform near identically at the same clocks. It's been tested multiple times.
 
Ramar said:
In what way? Maxwell and Pascal cores perform near identically at the same clocks. It's been tested multiple times.
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Its not the cores, its the amount of tflops, Pascal achieves higher clocks so it has more shader performance, Vega, does too, but its got serious throughput issues, worse than Fiji. And if you want a comparison look at 390 vs Fiji, then compare that to 390 vs Vega. And just for good measure Polaris didn't do to well either, but its better than Vega's scaling lol.


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Granted games might be different but over all (but this should favor Vega has it should be able to spread its wings as newer games should hurt the older hardware more), 390 to Fury X 20%, 390 to Vega 41%

21% increase for Vega's major increase in clock speeds? 50% increase in clock speeds is not giving any where near what it should be showing. Yeah can't expect perfectly linear but should at least be somewhat respectable right? That is just down right ugly lol.

Something is severely holding it back. So increasing resolution affects what parts of the gpu. ROP through put, shader throughput and bandwidth. ROP throughput shouldn't be a problem as Vega's higher clocks give it more ROP operations even we equalize on a per clock basis right? Whats left, Shader and bandwidth. Vega GPU is limited by bandwidth but not to degree where it should be actually holding it back vs Fiji, cause Fiji also has around the same bandwidth. Whats left, Shader through put.

And we haven't even gotten to counting transistors yet, the amount of transistors used in Vega, we already know per transistor Polaris's performance was a crap shot, Vega's performance per transistor is abysmal.
 
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