Vega Rumors

_mockingbird said:
One thing is clear, AMD is going to be in trouble next year unless it pull of a small miracle.

If history is to go by:

Geforce GTX 1070 --> Geforce GTX 1160

Geforce GTX 1080 Ti --> Geforce GTX 1170

If AMD can't even sell Radeon RX Vega 64 for $499 right now, how is it going to be able to sell Radeon RX Vega 64 for ~$300 in ~six months time?

Just to compete in the mainstream, AMD would need something with a much smaller die that can compete with the Geforce GTX 1160.
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There are some Vega64 in stock for $499? Could you link to them?
 
_mockingbird said:
One thing is clear, AMD is going to be in trouble next year unless it pull of a small miracle.

If history is to go by:

Geforce GTX 1070 --> Geforce GTX 1160

Geforce GTX 1080 Ti --> Geforce GTX 1170

If AMD can't even sell Radeon RX Vega 64 for $499 right now, how is it going to be able to sell Radeon RX Vega 64 for ~$300 in ~six months time?

Just to compete in the mainstream, AMD would need something with a much smaller die that can compete with the Geforce GTX 1160.
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When the GTX 1160 comes into stock and is comparable with a GTX 1070 in compute, how long will it last on the shelves at MSRP? lol
 
Magic Hate Ball said:
When the GTX 1160 comes into stock and is comparable with a GTX 1070 in compute, how long will it last on the shelves at MSRP? lol
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There is no reason to assume the current GPU market will be consumed with mining by then either. It's just as likely GPU mining will die off again.
 
Presbytier said:
There is no reason to assume the current GPU market will be consumed with mining by then either. It's just as likely GPU mining will die off again.
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That's a poor agument, how long did the last mining spree last back when the 290X was getting pushed to $900 MSRP?

How many currencies are there now? How much more developed that economy?

It'll be even worse.
 
Doesn't seem to be a problem selling the at all. Supply is the issue for now a week into the launch as well as the Vega 56 next week which should also sell well.
 
Magic Hate Ball said:
If the GTX1160 is compute parity with the GTX1070, good fucking luck getting it before miners if it comes out in this market.

You guys even look on Newegg for even a 3gb GTX 1060? $220 for an small single fan version. Everything else is over $400!

GTX 1070, lowest decent one in stock on Newegg is $450. And I see a lot priced into the 500+ range!

Giving shit to AMD for not having perfect stock and pricing on their product in this economy, what a bunch of horse shit.
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So what you are saying is that miners are going to buy all the Geforce GTX 11060 and that Radeon RX Vega 56/64 are going to sell because that's all that are left in the market?

I can see that happening.

That said, can you really count on miners saving Vega?

What happens when the mining bubble bursts?
 
_mockingbird said:
So what you are saying is that miners are going to buy all the Geforce GTX 11060 and that Radeon RX Vega 56/64 are going to sell because that's all that are left in the market?

I can see that happening.

That said, can you really count on miners saving Vega?

What happens when the mining bubble bursts?
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This is a fair point, one can hope they get production costs down to something manageable at that point.

if not, then they'll have to limit production, let prices artificially inflate, and hope for a fast Navi and/or good Vega 11 (if such a thing exists) with more mainstream characteristics like GDDR5(x) memory interface, and say 40-44 CU design to fill in above Polaris performance and keep the midrange profit coming in.

At this point, for their bottom line, they had better hope that the WX9100 is a hit (SSG version included) and that the MI25 product is making bank as well.

Otherwise, ouch.
 
Magic Hate Ball said:
That's a poor agument, how long did the last mining spree last back when the 290X was getting pushed to $900 MSRP?

How many currencies are there now? How much more developed that economy?

It'll be even worse.
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It is not a poor argument, as yours is built on just as many assumptions. You are assuming things stay the same I am simply assuming they don't and history backs me. Hell Etherium probably won't even be GPU mined in just a few short months and the way the currency market is staked it could easily plummet crashing the whole market.
 
Mining is currently being developed for security and cryptography applications, not just coinage. Is it a long term growth driver? That remains to be seen. Lisa Su is conservative in that regard whereas Jensen Huang prefers to believe in the market sector.
 
Magic Hate Ball said:
Alright, another wager. Using DDR4 2400 you're saying any Zen+Vega APU* won't surpass the FPS of those provided demonstrations as they're purely memory bandwidth starved? And that no improvements on memory compression has improved since the GCN3 architecture for the A12-9800?
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memory compression will give them more bandwidth, but is it better than Polaris? Don't know about that. AMD didn't talk about it, so right now I think its not much different.
 
Presbytier said:
It is not a poor argument, as yours is built on just as many assumptions. You are assuming things stay the same I am simply assuming they don't and history backs me. Hell Etherium probably won't even be GPU mined in just a few short months and the way the currency market is staked it could easily plummet crashing the whole market.
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If history remembers correctly, the Bitcoin GPU craze kind of lasted from 2010 to 2013. We just started this crazy... 6 months ago tops?

Yeah, there will be at least one full product cycle released under these demands.
 
razor1 said:
memory compression will give them more bandwidth, but is it better than Polaris? Don't know about that. AMD didn't talk about it, so right now I think its not much different.
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I guess Q4 or Q1 2018 will tell when we get desktop Raven Ridge to play with!
 
_mockingbird said:
So what you are saying is that miners are going to buy all the Geforce GTX 11060 and that Radeon RX Vega 56/64 are going to sell because that's all that are left in the market?

I can see that happening.

That said, can you really count on miners saving Vega?

What happens when the mining bubble bursts?
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It will rebound, just like the normal markets.
 
Presbytier said:
Not every market rebounds. There is no magic economic law that dictates a crashing market must rebound.
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Or EU/UN mandate some sort of efficiency/no mining BS if it keeps sucking more grid power resources... of course the fiat bankers would love that too as this is the biggest threat to them since JFK.
 
Magic Hate Ball said:
If history remembers correctly, the Bitcoin GPU craze kind of lasted from 2010 to 2013. We just started this crazy... 6 months ago tops?

Yeah, there will be at least one full product cycle released under these demands.
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The mining bubble is very transient.

It may pop tomorrow, next month, next year, etc.

You have completely evaded the question of: What will RTG do if the mining bubble bursts?
 
Presbytier said:
Not every market rebounds. There is no magic economic law that dictates a crashing market must rebound.
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Your right there is no magic law, however, its already rebounded once this year. Both Bitcoin and Ethereum has regained/raised in value. Market as a whole apparently fell from 115B to 100B now at 138B?

Besides he monetary value of the market there are a few other good block chains/services out there like decentralized storage, decentralized VPN, distributed computing projects, etc...



 
Hakaba said:

Your right there is no magic law, however, its already rebounded once this year. Both Bitcoin and Ethereum has regained/raised in value. Market as a whole apparently fell from 115B to 100B now at 138B?

Besides he monetary value of the market there are a few other good block chains/services out there like decentralized storage, decentralized VPN, distributed computing projects, etc...
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That isn't necessary going to help RTG.

The difficulty may increase so much that GPU mining may no longer be profitable.
 
Presbytier said:
There is no reason to assume the current GPU market will be consumed with mining by then either. It's just as likely GPU mining will die off again.
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I thought that originally when bitcoin crashed from heights of 1000 + dollars back down to around 250, then I look up this year and hear it's over 3.5k again, and etherium is a big player along with a bunch of also ran alt coins. There seems to be a resiliency here that is not going away for the time being.
 
Hakaba said:

Your right there is no magic law, however, its already rebounded once this year. Both Bitcoin and Ethereum has regained/raised in value. Market as a whole apparently fell from 115B to 100B now at 138B?

Besides he monetary value of the market there are a few other good block chains/services out there like decentralized storage, decentralized VPN, distributed computing projects, etc...


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Those are called market fluctuations hardly enough to call a crash. What is likely to cause a crash is when people realize these currencies have absolutely zero capital to back them up, but I don't want ot belabor the point as i am sure that will derail the thread more than normal. lol
 
tybert7 said:
I thought that originally when bitcoin crashed from heights of 1000 + dollars back down to around 250, then I look up this year and hear it's over 3.5k again, and etherium is a big player along with a bunch of also ran alt coins. There seems to be a resiliency here that is not going away for the time being.
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Either way the methods to aquire them have changed for instance no one is going to mine bitcoin with a GPU anymore and Etherium is allready working on a new mining method as well. Only time will tell if the market will be able to handle mutiple new currencies. We are more likely to see the Feds step in if it starts getting too crazy.
 
Presbytier said:
Either way the methods to aquire them have changed for instance no one is going to mine bitcoin with a GPU anymore and Etherium is allready working on a new mining method as well. Only time will tell if the market will be able to handle mutiple new currencies. We are more likely to see the Feds step in if it starts getting too crazy.
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Governments can’t just come in and fuck things up. If they could they would have already. Yes one thing that they could regulate are exhanges with better oversite. Right now while most people buy and hold their coins, there are major not softwares that manipulate the market at times. That should be illegal. And I am all for regulating illegal trading.
 
NKD said:
Governments can’t just come in and fuck things up. If they could they would have already. Yes one thing that they could regulate are exhanges with better oversite. Right now while most people buy and hold their coins, there are major not softwares that manipulate the market at times. That should be illegal. And I am all for regulating illegal trading.
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Depending on your view of governments, sometimes that's all they do.

Fun part about cryptocurrency? Well, two parts:
-Governments don't really understand it; hell, most people don't
-Governments control the networks that cryptocurrency trades on

If governments want to get involved, they can and will. They could protect or crash it, or a combination if they (quite likely) differ on how to treat it.
 
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Boil said:
Interesting...

Wonder if the manufacturing origin & different RAM vendor affect the overall product...?
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Yes there are different HBM manufacturers + frequencies and voltages being reported apparently.
Most water cooled Vega models get the 945MHz/1.2V HBM2 from Samsung supposedly.
Hynix does not have cold bug though for LN2 users.

Known variants are
1.35V 945mhz Hynix.
1.2V 800mhz hynix.
1.2V 945mhz Samsung
And supposedly a Micron variant too.
 
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