NCASE M1: a crowdfunded Mini-ITX case (updates in first post)

Best temps I've seen for water. I've delidded my 7700K, still it heats and cools instantly with minimal heat output on the HSF. I sit 60-65C GPU/CPU constant on air at 4.6 in game however I can't break 65C+ in stress which is nice. Good to finally see a water setup blow right by though. A+ job.

Thanks! To be clear, I've never stress tested the CPU in this loop. CPU was stress tested at it's current settings on Air, so I know there's no issue, I just don't know what CPU temps would be at full load. I suppose I could load up Civ VI to get an idea... that'd basically give me max CPU and max GPU while playing something I enjoy :) Need a second m.2 drive first.

In reality, all I care about anyways is water temp. As long as it stays in the 30-40C range, I'm providing sufficient cooling for whatever is in the system. I've done enough water cooled systems now, and enough research, that I think I have a pretty good grasp what works in what environments. Low FPI, slim rads are the best way IMO for the M1, and I'm definitely getting better temps then when I had the PE based Predator in my M1. Some of that is just a better designed loop too, although my Predator was cooling a Skylake i5...
 
I really liked these, but they were a bit short for me. My Uncle took them, made them taller, then printed a set out in his resin printer. Hope you don't mind!

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Currently just primed - going to paint them matte black. FWIW, you can't see the fans at normal sitting height.

Now I just have to clean my desk and rearrange all the cabling... sigh!

Should look good when you paint them. Are you going to switch to 25mm fans with the added height?
 

NCASE M1 version changelog and suggestions thread


Just curious are they going to be updating the case, I know they aren't planning a window version but maybe with usb type C or anything like that?

A quick search using "USB-C"...

And the pertinent post...

"An update on USB-C for M1."

WHAT?! NO!!! where did it say this?

A quick search using "sandblast"...

And the pertinent post...

"The company that we found to do it bailed on us, unfortunately."

I check the [H] SFF sub-forum regularly, as well as the forums over at SFFN, this way I can stay up-to-date on all things NCase M1...!
 
Sandblasted panels would have been pretty sweet. I'm thinking of picking up a black panel only kit myself. I got the ODD slot version because I was determined I was going to use the ODD slot...

Speaking of which. I'm thinking of going to M.2 drives only. I have the Strix Z270i, so I'm thinking of a 850 EVO 1TB and then a 950 EVO or 960 Pro 500/512GB to replace my 480GB and 1TB SSDs. I'm more worried about temps on the M.2 drives (specifically the back). Admittedly, I'm still double-checking some stuff, but I believe the SATA M.2 is only on the front so the 950/960 would be relegated to the back. Have you guys that rear-mounted a higher performance NVME drive had any issues?

I keep wanting to put a higher capacity 2.5 HDD in the case, but I think I'm just going to do a Synology NAS down the line. Plus I'd love to get rid of the extra SATA PSU cables in the case.

Thnx for your tips I'll defiantly place a thin noctua fan under the gpu. I ended up with not updrading the motherboard and 960pro so the i7 7700k is running on my asus impact viii(z107) and trying to Oc the 7700k above 4.7ghz. Im currently stable at 4.6ghz@1,20v vcore running 72 Celsius while stress testing with prime95.

That's a great board. Definitely don't think it's worth upgrading honestly. I still have to dial in my CPU OC, but until I delid, running 4.5GHz constant has been doing great for me in gaming. I'm at a fairly CPU independent resolution, so I'm more interested in lower temps than a super great OC. I'm running a H75, so there's not really such a thing as a max OC with an i7 on that :D.
 
Sandblasted panels would have been pretty sweet. I'm thinking of picking up a black panel only kit myself. I got the ODD slot version because I was determined I was going to use the ODD slot...

Speaking of which. I'm thinking of going to M.2 drives only. I have the Strix Z270i, so I'm thinking of a 850 EVO 1TB and then a 950 EVO or 960 Pro 500/512GB to replace my 480GB and 1TB SSDs. I'm more worried about temps on the M.2 drives (specifically the back). Admittedly, I'm still double-checking some stuff, but I believe the SATA M.2 is only on the front so the 950/960 would be relegated to the back. Have you guys that rear-mounted a higher performance NVME drive had any issues?

No issues for me.. (ASUS Z170i)

Typical idle temps are around 26 degree for the front mounted 2.5" SSD and 40 degrees for the M.2 on the back of the motherboard. It doesn't really seem to get much warmer than that either. Maybe 45 if the whole case has been subject to a long session of BF1 and the heat soak has saturated the entire case.

But then again - It's not like I've ever tested to see if the M.2 drive is throttling. I've also read that the throttling issue is somewhat overblown - there just aren't many situations where you can be churning through that much data without pause to throttle the drive.
 
No issues for me.. (ASUS Z170i)

Typical idle temps are around 26 degree for the front mounted 2.5" SSD and 40 degrees for the M.2 on the back of the motherboard. It doesn't really seem to get much warmer than that either. Maybe 45 if the whole case has been subject to a long session of BF1 and the heat soak has saturated the entire case.

But then again - It's not like I've ever tested to see if the M.2 drive is throttling. I've also read that the throttling issue is somewhat overblown - there just aren't many situations where you can be churning through that much data without pause to throttle the drive.

That was the impression I got, too. What drive are you using specifically? Really do appreciate the response!

EDIT: Just went to your profile and saw your build on PCPP and that you're using the X400.

Beautiful setup, btw. Sending a picture of the keyboard+cat to the GF as she's going to go nuts :D.
 
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Speaking of which. I'm thinking of going to M.2 drives only. I have the Strix Z270i, so I'm thinking of a 850 EVO 1TB and then a 950 EVO or 960 Pro 500/512GB to replace my 480GB and 1TB SSDs. I'm more worried about temps on the M.2 drives (specifically the back). Admittedly, I'm still double-checking some stuff, but I believe the SATA M.2 is only on the front so the 950/960 would be relegated to the back. Have you guys that rear-mounted a higher performance NVME drive had any issues?

My son's M1 has a Samsung 960 EVO M.2 SSD in the rear M.2 socket of his Asus Z170I Pro Gaming motherboard. During AIDA64 stress test is gets into the 60s C range, but comes back down to the 30s and 40s C. It never gets as warm during normal use.

I had read about EKBW's new heatsinks for M.2 drives and thought they looked quite good, so I ordered 2 (1 nickel and 1 black) and added it to my son's M.2 drive. This heatsink consists for low longitudinal metal cooling fins on one side of the drive (the side with the controller and RAM chips) and a flat metal back plate. Thermal pads provide the interface between the metal pieces and the M.2 drive. The entire sandwich is held together with two metal clips. After I mounted the assembly back into the rear M.2 socket here's what happened:

  • The computer wouldn't start. The flat metal back plate or the metal clips were contacting the motherboard components. Adding a layer of insulating tape allowed the computer to start. What?
  • The heatsink fins were making contact with the M1 side panel. At first I thought, OK more thermal mass and area for cooling, but given the first issue, maybe not so great.
So I removed the EKWB heatsink completely, put the Samsung stickers back on the drive and everything is back to normal.

Today I see that the product page for the heatsink (linked above) inclueds a warning that the heatsink "is compatible with M.2 (NGFF) connectors 4.2mm height". A link is provided to a PDF that shows M.2 connectors of varying heights. I guess the connector on my son's motherboard is less than 4.2 mm tall.
 
My son's M1 has a Samsung 960 EVO M.2 SSD in the rear M.2 socket of his Asus Z170I Pro Gaming motherboard. During AIDA64 stress test is gets into the 60s C range, but comes back down to the 30s and 40s C. It never gets as warm during normal use.

I had read about EKBW's new heatsinks for M.2 drives and thought they looked quite good, so I ordered 2 (1 nickel and 1 black) and added it to my son's M.2 drive. This heatsink consists for low longitudinal metal cooling fins on one side of the drive (the side with the controller and RAM chips) and a flat metal back plate. Thermal pads provide the interface between the metal pieces and the M.2 drive. The entire sandwich is held together with two metal clips. After I mounted the assembly back into the rear M.2 socket here's what happened:

  • The computer wouldn't start. The flat metal back plate or the metal clips were contacting the motherboard components. Adding a layer of insulating tape allowed the computer to start. What?
  • The heatsink fins were making contact with the M1 side panel. At first I thought, OK more thermal mass and area for cooling, but given the first issue, maybe not so great.
So I removed the EKWB heatsink completely, put the Samsung stickers back on the drive and everything is back to normal.

Today I see that the product page for the heatsink (linked above) inclueds a warning that the heatsink "is compatible with M.2 (NGFF) connectors 4.2mm height". A link is provided to a PDF that shows M.2 connectors of varying heights. I guess the connector on my son's motherboard is less than 4.2 mm tall.

Brilliant! I appreciate the info. We generally keep it at 69-73F in the house, so I see pretty decent temps for the rest of my stuff. Glad to know that I'll be pretty safe with the rear-mounted drive. I really do appreciate all of your input!
 
I see a lot of builds that have used the 240 rad on bottom/92mm rad on side with the pump/res mounted horizontally, but I have yet to see anyone mount the pump vertically. I'm thinking of using:

https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-xres-100-ddc-mx-3-1-pwm-incl-pump

paired with a:

https://modmymods.com/barrow-ddc-pump-mounting-bracket-tcbj-ddf.html

to accomplish what I'm looking for.

According to EKWB, the pump/res combo is 121mm tall, doing some quick measurements, it seems there's about ~130mm vertical height on the front panel to work with.

With the pump mounted vertically, it would make filling and draining (just flip the case over and drain out the liquid) extremely easy. It seems like there's no downsides to doing the pump/res this way.

Has anyone tried this?
 
I see a lot of builds that have used the 240 rad on bottom/92mm rad on side with the pump/res mounted horizontally, but I have yet to see anyone mount the pump vertically. I'm thinking of using:

https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-xres-100-ddc-mx-3-1-pwm-incl-pump

paired with a:

https://modmymods.com/barrow-ddc-pump-mounting-bracket-tcbj-ddf.html

to accomplish what I'm looking for.

According to EKWB, the pump/res combo is 121mm tall, doing some quick measurements, it seems there's about ~130mm vertical height on the front panel to work with.

With the pump mounted vertically, it would make filling and draining (just flip the case over and drain out the liquid) extremely easy. It seems like there's no downsides to doing the pump/res this way.

Has anyone tried this?

I am guessing that you are planning to mount the bracket to the front frame above the GPU, only problem I see with that is there is a large cutout in that area for long GPUs.

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Actually just measured mine and you have 152mm from the top of that cutout to the top of the case and 89mm between the PSU and side of the case. I don't see any reason why it wouldn't fit.
 
I am guessing that you are planning to mount the bracket to the front frame above the GPU, only problem I see with that is there is a large cutout in that area for long GPUs.

NCASE-M1-ITX-gaming-chassis-13.jpg


Actually just measured mine and you have 152mm from the top of that cutout to the top of the case and 89mm between the PSU and side of the case. I don't see any reason why it wouldn't fit.

Thanks for the reply.

This is definitely the route I'm going to go then.
 
Should look good when you paint them. Are you going to switch to 25mm fans with the added height?

Nope, these are 25.4mm tall feet. Or, you know, 1 inch :) So sticking with 15mm fans. I'm going to try them in exhaust instead of intake next. I did manage to get my water temps back up to 45C, but only for brief stints while gaming tonight. Mostly stuck around 42C.

The Noctua A12x15 fans are much nicer than the Silverstone FW121 fans, glad I tried them out. Definitely getting more airflow at silent speeds. And they're quieter at max speed too, while pushing out probably twice the CFM.
 
Nope, these are 25.4mm tall feet. Or, you know, 1 inch :) So sticking with 15mm fans. I'm going to try them in exhaust instead of intake next. I did manage to get my water temps back up to 45C, but only for brief stints while gaming tonight. Mostly stuck around 42C.

What are you using to measure (or rather, display) the water temperature?
 
I see a lot of builds that have used the 240 rad on bottom/92mm rad on side with the pump/res mounted horizontally, but I have yet to see anyone mount the pump vertically. I'm thinking of using:

https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-xres-100-ddc-mx-3-1-pwm-incl-pump

paired with a:

https://modmymods.com/barrow-ddc-pump-mounting-bracket-tcbj-ddf.html

to accomplish what I'm looking for.

According to EKWB, the pump/res combo is 121mm tall, doing some quick measurements, it seems there's about ~130mm vertical height on the front panel to work with.

With the pump mounted vertically, it would make filling and draining (just flip the case over and drain out the liquid) extremely easy. It seems like there's no downsides to doing the pump/res this way.

Has anyone tried this?

Been there done that :)
https://imgur.com/a/WgJCV
 
Cool, glad to see it works.

Do you happen to have any other pics of different angles?

What did you use to mount the D5 in there?

http://imgur.com/xJyFuFv
I used a 3D printet bracket that utilized the 4 screw holes you see in front which are not used for anything.
Here is the files.

Though i was not happy with the watercooling temperatures in the Ncase M1 with a modded sidepanel, and im now back to an AIO for the CPU and a 1080 ti FE cooler on the GPU :)
 

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ordered my case yesterday, the node 202 is ok but always wanted one of these

will end up
i7 7700k under a Noctua NH-D9L
gigabyte gtx 1080
16gb
msi b250 itx
m.2 ssd and standard ssd
corsair sf600
couple corsair quiet SP fans in the bottom should keep warm air coming out the top
 
What are you using to measure (or rather, display) the water temperature?

Strix z270i has a thermal sensor header, and I have a thermal sensor plugged into the reservoir. It depends who you ask, but it's fairly well accepted that optimal water temps are between 30 and 40C, so that's what I'm aiming for.
 
Don't pin your hopes on those bottom fans producing airflow in the top half of the case - the GPU acts as a pretty effective divider and means that the bottom fans don't generally drive much, if any, air past the GPU into the top section. You can use a fan on the side of the case as an intake if you need to get cool air into the motherboard area.

Even if you have an ITX GPU, I don't think that the bottom fans are great for introducing air into the case, personally. There's not much clearance underneath the case (unless you go for custom feet) and the grill pattern on the case bottom isn't particularly conducive to airflow either imho. This is definitely one area where I think the M1 could be improved, but obviously there would be tradeoffs and I don't blame NCase for making the design decisions that they did - this is a brilliant case.
 
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ordered my case yesterday, the node 202 is ok but always wanted one of these

will end up
i7 7700k under a Noctua NH-D9L
gigabyte gtx 1080
16gb
msi b250 itx
m.2 ssd and standard ssd
corsair sf600
couple corsair quiet SP fans in the bottom should keep warm air coming out the top

Why go with a 7700k with a B250 motherboard? Save money and get a 7700 or go with a Z270.
 
Anyone here with an Asus GTX 1080Ti Strix in the Ncase? I know the non-Ti 1080 fits with 2 bottom fans installed, but as the 1080Ti is 0.5" or 1 cm thicker than the non-Ti I am worried my 2 Corsair ML120s will not fit with the 1080Ti Strix.
 
Anyone here with an Asus GTX 1080Ti Strix in the Ncase? I know the non-Ti 1080 fits with 2 bottom fans installed, but as the 1080Ti is 0.5" or 1 cm thicker than the non-Ti I am worried my 2 Corsair ML120s will not fit with the 1080Ti Strix.

They will not fit.
You Can use 2 slim fans 15=>mm thick fans.
 
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Why go with a 7700k with a B250 motherboard? Save money and get a 7700 or go with a Z270.

higher base block if i recall and at some point i do plan on upgrading the motherboard but it was like 8$ more on amazon, i already have the mobo from current build

Don't pin your hopes on those bottom fans producing airflow in the top half of the case - the GPU acts as a pretty effective divider and means that the bottom fans don't generally drive much, if any, air past the GPU into the top section. You can use a fan on the side of the case as an intake if you need to get cool air into the motherboard area.

Even if you have an ITX GPU, I don't think that the bottom fans are great for introducing air into the case, personally. There's not much clearance underneath the case (unless you go for custom feet) and the grill pattern on the case bottom isn't particularly conducive to airflow either imho. This is definitely one area where I think the M1 could be improved, but obviously there would be tradeoffs and I don't blame NCase for making the design decisions that they did - this is a brilliant case.

planning on the custom feet, also using SP fans that should push air up and around, i mean right now they can push air from the GPU side of my node202 though a 2x2" cable hole filled with cables and out the top, not a huge amount but they do move fresh air through, and i wont be overclocking the cpu anyways so ill have to keep an eye on temps, worst case i add another intake on the side or rear
 
Anyone put a Vega 64 in the Ncase yet?

I had aspirations of a Ryzen 5 1600 / RX Vega 56 build...

The pricing shenanigans are pushing me towards a hybrid 1070 instead...

And with Coffee Lake around the corner, I could get both the fast single core performance (that attracts me to Intel / i7) & the higher core / thread count that attracted me to Ryzen...

Decisions, decisions...!
 
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Anyone put a Vega 64 in the Ncase yet?
I'm not sure that would be a good fit for this case. Consider the power numbers alone: Anandtech shows the Vega 64 Air as being a good 80W+ above a 1080TI at 459W system power draw http://www.anandtech.com/show/11717/the-amd-radeon-rx-vega-64-and-56-review/19 and PCPper shows the liquid version at an ADDITIONAL 60W of power draw. So, easily above 510W system power draw at STOCK settings. https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graph...4-Vega-64-Liquid-Vega-56-Tested/Clocks-Power-

That would be really pushing it even with a SF600 http://www.corsair.com/en-us/sf-ser...-plus-gold-certified-high-performance-sfx-psu once you get into all the other stuff in the system.. not to mention attempting to overclock.
 
I'm not sure that would be a good fit for this case. Consider the power numbers alone: Anandtech shows the Vega 64 Air as being a good 80W+ above a 1080TI at 459W system power draw http://www.anandtech.com/show/11717/the-amd-radeon-rx-vega-64-and-56-review/19 and PCPper shows the liquid version at an ADDITIONAL 60W of power draw. So, easily above 510W system power draw at STOCK settings. https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graph...4-Vega-64-Liquid-Vega-56-Tested/Clocks-Power-

That would be really pushing it even with a SF600 http://www.corsair.com/en-us/sf-ser...-plus-gold-certified-high-performance-sfx-psu once you get into all the other stuff in the system.. not to mention attempting to overclock.

Those numbers are total system draw already, not just the card. Plus, SF600 can handle something like 740w at the wall before it shuts down. It's a really overbuilt PSU. So, theoretically, you could almost put two Vega 64s in an M1 with Bifurcation. If there was room and all. A single Vega 64 isn't going to stress it.

Anyways... my original plan was to put this in my M1 once the waterblock shows up on Monday:

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I'm undecided though... My M1 currently has a 1080 Ti and is hooked up to my G-Sync monitor, so...
 
Those numbers are total system draw already, not just the card. Plus, SF600 can handle something like 740w at the wall before it shuts down. It's a really overbuilt PSU. So, theoretically, you could almost put two Vega 64s in an M1 with Bifurcation. If there was room and all. A single Vega 64 isn't going to stress it.

Anyways... my original plan was to put this in my M1 once the waterblock shows up on Monday:

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I'm undecided though... My M1 currently has a 1080 Ti and is hooked up to my G-Sync monitor, so...

I have my Vega on the way as well. Plan to just run it in powersave/standard mode since the wattage is much better and people don't really understand how PSU's work anyway.

Assuming you have the EK block on the way? Do we know if it will fit? Thats my question
 
I have my Vega on the way as well. Plan to just run it in powersave/standard mode since the wattage is much better and people don't really understand how PSU's work anyway.

Assuming you have the EK block on the way? Do we know if it will fit? Thats my question

Yeah, EK block is supposed to fit Vega FE, Vega 64, and supposedly Vega 56 too. The basically run the same PCB. Guess I'll know for certain on Monday :)
 
I meant fit in the case. I know it'l fit the card ;)

Oh, lol. I don't see why not, Vega Reference is standard 111x267mm card. I can measure it when it comes in.

ek-fc_radeon_vega_singleslot.jpg


You can see from EK's stock photo that the extra piece with the Radeon logo screws in with just two bolts - that's the only part I'd think that might be iffy. Take that off, and it should be just like any other EK waterblock for a reference board.
 
Oh, lol. I don't see why not, Vega Reference is standard 111x267mm card. I can measure it when it comes in.

ek-fc_radeon_vega_singleslot.jpg


You can see from EK's stock photo that the extra piece with the Radeon logo screws in with just two bolts - that's the only part I'd think that might be iffy. Take that off, and it should be just like any other EK waterblock for a reference board.

You read my mind with the Radeon logo, but without official measurements, I wasn't sure. I'm expecting it to not fit bit I hope it does. I've asked EK for the true measurement, so I'll report back once I hear from them.

Nice build btw too
 
Oh, lol. I don't see why not, Vega Reference is standard 111x267mm card. I can measure it when it comes in.

ek-fc_radeon_vega_singleslot.jpg


You can see from EK's stock photo that the extra piece with the Radeon logo screws in with just two bolts - that's the only part I'd think that might be iffy. Take that off, and it should be just like any other EK waterblock for a reference board.

Single slot, nice. With PCIE Bifurcation you could run 2 in CrossFire. ;)
 
Got as evga sc2 1080ti this weekend, booted up some pubg and i ended up thermal throttling? Am I missing something here? I am using a corsair h100 for the cpu and that didnt seem to have problems temp wise.

Is there a more optimal cooling setup for this case? I am going to be doing some serious gaming on this next weekend and really don't want to have heat issues.
 
Looking for a little insight. Case will be shipping next week hopefully and I'm trying to pin down my exact configuration. Been searching everywhere. Parts that matter for this post: I'll be utilizing a Gigabyte z170 Gaming 5, Be Quiet! Silent Loop 240mm, Corsair SF600, Nvidia 1070 FE, 1x 3.5HDD, 1xSSD. My questions are in regards to fans. I'd like to get a couple Noctua NF-F12 Industrial 120mm for the cooler itself. Place the 3.5 hdd on the bottom (in the back) under the 1070 and a NF-B9 92mm on the bottom in the front pulling air in for the blower on the 1070. Maybe one more 92mm on the back of the case. Just trying to see if this configuration would work. The google doc with all kinds of wonderful info shows the Silent Loop fitting but I'm not sure if the 25mm NF-F12's will work or if I will need slim fans? Advice on this possible configuration? Looking through gallery photos I don't think I've actually seen this cooler.
 
Looking for a little insight. Case will be shipping next week hopefully and I'm trying to pin down my exact configuration. Been searching everywhere. Parts that matter for this post: I'll be utilizing a Gigabyte z170 Gaming 5, Be Quiet! Silent Loop 240mm, Corsair SF600, Nvidia 1070 FE, 1x 3.5HDD, 1xSSD. My questions are in regards to fans. I'd like to get a couple Noctua NF-F12 Industrial 120mm for the cooler itself. Place the 3.5 hdd on the bottom (in the back) under the 1070 and a NF-B9 92mm on the bottom in the front pulling air in for the blower on the 1070. Maybe one more 92mm on the back of the case. Just trying to see if this configuration would work. The google doc with all kinds of wonderful info shows the Silent Loop fitting but I'm not sure if the 25mm NF-F12's will work or if I will need slim fans? Advice on this possible configuration? Looking through gallery photos I don't think I've actually seen this cooler.

Silent Loop is 30mm thick so you can use 25mm fans no problem. I would try the included fans from Be Quiet before the Industrial Noctuas, Be Quiet makes really good fans and the Industrial are supposed to be pretty loud. They move a lot of air but they are 43.5 dB(A). the included Be Quiet are 36.9 at max and 23.8 at 50%.

92mm fans can be difficult to mount in the back with a 240mm radiator installed, but possible. I can tell you that the air will exit the top of the case with no problem.
 
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