any coil whine issue w/ Thermaltake PSU & how come their fan is facing up?

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http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/Power...oughpower_iRGB_PLUS_1250W_Titanium/Design.htm

1) take a look at the photo at mid left of the page, their fan is facing up for the RGB effect. So what about the whole purpose of venting heat from the cooling fan to the outside?

Normal PSU sucks in ambient temperature and cool the PSU. To suck in room temperature, that fan has to be face down so it sucks in the air at the bottom of the case. But by having the fan at the top, it's sucking in the hot temperature inside the case to try to cool the PSU

2) is Thermaltake PSU build in house? Meaning are they OEM from someone else? any coil whine on their PSU?
 
The up/down orientation of a PSU fan isn't a design choice on the part of a manufacturer, it's a build choice on the part of the end user. You can install it flipped either way.

Some cases and setups benefit from drawing ambient air through the bottom and excluding the PSU from the case envelope entirely.

Others (like my watercooled build) benefit from mounting the fan up and letting the PSU act as an additional exhaust for the system. The case air will be warmer than ambient, but still cool enough to cool the PSU.
 
but if you flip it the other way, the 4 screws hole won't fit, would they?
 
Happy Hopping said:
thanks. I'll check next time. Do you use Thermaltake personally?
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Personally, i've used 3 Thermaltake units. In the past i used a Tt GRAND 650 & a Tt EVO Blue650 , and at the present i'm using a Tt GRAND Platinum 850 https://www.amazon.com/Thermaltake-Toughpower-Platinum-Modular-PS-TPG-0850FPCPUS-P/dp/B00ZUPOE98 (*powering my brother's PC: i5-760 / 16 gb RAM DDR3 / GTX1060 / Ferrari F1 wheel Thrustmaster Integral T500 ) .
I've been extremely pleased from all Thermaltake's PSUs, and especially for the Tt GRAND Platinum850, which i consider it as an excellent buy on my behalf.
P.S. : As for your PSU is really top-notch !! It utilizes CWT's new CST-platform , -which you will find at only few of Thermaltake's models-, and really excels at all tests :
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/-thermaltake-toughpower-dps-g-rgb-1250w-psu,4696.html . If i was bying an 1250watt PSU, this one would have been my 1st choice! ;)
 
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I'm just surprise at their 10 yr. warranty. I don't remind any major brand gives that kind of warranty. Do you guys know if they made it in house or OEM from someone else?
 
Happy Hopping said:
I'm just surprise at their 10 yr. warranty. I don't remind any major brand gives that kind of warranty. Do you guys know if they made it in house or OEM from someone else?
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I already told you: """..............It utilizes CWT's new CST-platform , -which you will find at only few of Thermaltake's models.................."""" (* meaning that CWT is the OEM, and with this model they are utilizing their most evolved platform, which is called "CST" )
P.S. As for the 10-year warranty, other companies are providing a similar warranty, such as Seasonic, EVGA, and Corsair if i remember correctly.
 
YOu got me. I'm not familiar w/ the manufacturer Chnl. Well Technology. When I bought my own PSU, which is only 3 yr. ago, I don't recall they have Titanium rating. I thoguth they only goes to Platinum.

I have an unrelated question: for the longest time, I've trying to figure out who build this for In win:

https://www.in-win.com/en/gaming-power-supply/s2

as it c/w a 165 mm fan, which is unheard of. And in win won't sell this PSU by itself. And I was hoping to get one from another source. Do you know the OEM of this PSU?

And their screw holes are wider. So I haven't seen a case that can fit that PSU other than their own open frame
 
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I already told you: """..............It utilizes CWT's new CST-platform , -which you will find at only few of Thermaltake's models.................."""" (* meaning that CWT is the OEM, and with this model they are utilizing their most evolved platform, which is called "CST" )
P.S. As for the 10-year warranty, other companies are providing a similar warranty, such as Seasonic, EVGA, and Corsair if i remember correctly.
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I dig a bit deeper.

http://www.cwt.com.tw/Product/enus/...409242&Model=54C4D97F79684D153655ACC4B172C46B

CWT has no length of warranty on their toy.

Our friend Thermaltake has great advertising on their MCU and their Digital Control board.

By contrast, EVGA doesn't say much about their 10 yr. warranty toy, but we know it's an OEM

https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=220-T2-1000-X1

so how do you determine which one of these brand's 10 yr. warranty PSU is a "marketing scheme" and which ones are legitimate highest quality PSU that truly last 10 yr.?

P.S. is your Thermaltake PSU fan quiet? Is it a fluid bearing fan or equivalent?
 
Happy Hopping said:
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so how do you determine which one of these brand's 10 yr. warranty PSU is a "marketing scheme" and which ones are legitimate highest quality PSU that truly last 10 yr.?

P.S. is your Thermaltake PSU fan quiet? Is it a fluid bearing fan or equivalent?
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-If you have any doubts about the warranty length, just contact Thermaltake. I've sent them mails several times in the past, and they respond pretty fast. They will also answer your question whether or not it uses a fluid bearing fan.
(Jeremy's review for my 850watt model says it uses a ball bearing fan: http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story5&reid=415 ,
and here's Paul's review for the 1200watt model : https://www.hardocp.com/article/2015/02/26/thermaltake_toughpower_grand_platinum_1200w_review/3 )
-As i told you at my previous post, my current Tt GRAND Platinum850, is being used at my brother's pc, so i can't make a solid comment about noise. Its general quality as a PSU is great though, i'm extremely pleased from buying it.
 
My Enermax Platimax is about $210 ( 5 yr. warranty), this Thermaltake is $400 (10 yr. warranty). So assuming the quality is more awesome, I'm paying twice as much

So I wonder if the improvement w/ features like MCU justify double the cost
 
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Happy Hopping said:
My Enermax Platimax is about $21 ( 5 yr. warranty) 0, this Thermaltake is $400 (10 yr. warranty). So assuming the quality is more awesome, I'm paying twice as much

So I wonder if the improvement w/ features like MCU justify double the cost
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I looked again the review ( http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/-thermaltake-toughpower-dps-g-rgb-1250w-psu,4696.html ). About your previous question about the fan, according to Thermaltake, the TPG-1250D-T uses a ""hydro-dynamic bearing that offers increased lifetime and quiet operation.""
As for the extra cost compared to your current one, it's all relative, regarding what do you need.
-1st of all , you've got to ask youself if you really need a 1250watt PSU. For the majority of pc users, -myself included-, that kind of a PSU is an overkill.
But... if indeed you need a 1250watt PSU, then the TPG-1250D-T, compared to your Enermax it has the following cons/pros (*the most basic ones, since i haven't read a review about your Enermax Platimax in order to compare them thoroughly ) :
+Titanium efficiency
+Brand new CWT-platform ( CST )
+Digital interface which offers monitoring of your PSU through software
- The cost is very high of course
 
I only need 750W, but I need a PSU that has 2 x +12V pin for the CPU as the motherboard has 2 x 8 pin

I also need PSU that all the cables are modular, including motherboard cables

So is there a lower wattage PSU from co. like thermaltake that uses the latest CWT that you talk about at 750W or so?
 
Happy Hopping said:
I only need 750W, but I need a PSU that has 2 x +12V pin for the CPU as the motherboard has 2 x 8 pin

I also need PSU that all the cables are modular, including motherboard cables

So is there a lower wattage PSU from co. like thermaltake that uses the latest CWT that you talk about at 750W or so?
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-If that's what you care about, i'd propose you the Seasonic PRIME 850Titanium:
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story2&reid=487
https://www.hardocp.com/article/2016/10/03/seasonic_flagship_prime_850w_power_supply_review/2
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/seasonic-prime-850w-titanium-psu,4761.html
As you'll see, it has 2 x 4+4 CPU cables, and of course it has excellent performance & build quality.
-As for Thermaltake, no, so far CWT's new CST platform is being used only at Thermaltake TPG-1250D-T (*as far as i know at least)
 
no, I can't go w/ that brand. If you do a search under Newegg and amazon customer review, they have coil whine issue

how do I find out what other brand has the new CST platform from CWT?
 
Happy Hopping said:
no, I can't go w/ that brand. If you do a search under Newegg and amazon customer review, they have coil whine issue

how do I find out what other brand has the new CST platform from CWT?
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That is a terrible reason. Every power supply can have coil whine. I have never had a single brand that has not had at least one model that has whined during testing.
 
I did. Enermax

I read customer review all 90 brand names less the ones NOT sold in North America, read newegg and Amazon. I must have spent 1000+ hr. on PSU before I pick mine.

I had a very expensive PSU from a HP professional workstation that has coil whine. I just can't deal with it. They fixed it in the end, but what a horrible experience
 
Happy Hopping said:
I did. Enermax

I read customer review all 90 brand names less the ones NOT sold in North America, read newegg and Amazon. I must have spent 1000+ hr. on PSU before I pick mine.

I had a very expensive PSU from a HP professional workstation that has coil whine. I just can't deal with it. They fixed it in the end, but what a horrible experience
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Nope. I've had Enermax units whine. You have read complaints but you have not actually tested products. EVERY power supply can have coil whine. Pick a unit that fits your needs. If you get one that whines then RMA it. NO brand is without coil whine in every unit.
 
Then it's lucky for me. None of the Platimax and NAXN I have installed has coil whine
 
Small sample size and no real testing will do that for you.
 
See back in Dec. 2013, I need to spec. out a road map for PSU. I read thru newegg, and picked the top brands, and there is a LOT of complaints on coil whine on Seasonic, not just a few bad customer reviews. So their 7 yr. warranty PSU might as well be 100 yr. and I won't touch it. Then I cycle thru all the other brands, until I come across Enermax. They have no customer bad review on coil whine. I then jump to amazon, same thing. So that's how I end up stick w/ Enermax since 2013. And to this date, I only have 1 dead PSU after 3 week use, and that case was "questionable", as that client just built a brand new trailer home, and I question how reliable the electricity is.
 
User reviews are useless. You don't know sample size (Enermax could sell 1/1000 the number of units seasonic does so of course the number of complaints will be different), you can't verify the actual cause, you don't know the configuration (different hardware combos give different results), user reporting bias, etc.

Seriously, every unit can whine. If you get one that does then RMA. That is the answer.
 
Paul_Johnson said:
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Seriously, every unit can whine.........................................
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Yeah, based on my own experience i can confirm that.
I've said that in the past as well,..... when i moved at my brother's apartment for few days, and took my desktop with me, i experienced severe coil-whine with my Seasonic X-650, which i had never experienced before!! Perhaps the reason for that was that i didn't took my UPS with me, but i can't tell for sure what caused that.
 
Paul_Johnson said:
User reviews are useless. You don't know sample size (Enermax could sell 1/1000 the number of units seasonic does so of course the number of complaints will be different), you can't verify the actual cause, you don't know the configuration.
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I disagree. I believe in volume means something. Remember in Star Trek Voyager, Neelix comes to Janeway and said (paraphrase) "folklore said that race is bad", and Janeway said "You can't go by stories from folklore", and Neelix said "But there are several thousands of them"
 
If you buy Brand X CWT CST platform, you expect that to have different coil whine characteristics from a Brand Y CWT CST platform?

The only difference is the paint job and a sticker. It's all made in the same factory, the same guy(robot) on the line installs the coils, the coils come from the same box.
 
I agree. That's why I ask in the original post if the new Thermaltake 1250 has any coil whine. If it does, it could be CWT design problem. But Paul's is saying they all do. But I thought for the latest technology, they would have fixed this by now. I first seen this back in 2009 or so. You would think after 8 yr., someone fixed this problem
 
Well, all coils are going to vibrate - that's just physics. But the degree to which they do can be influenced by manufacturing and engineering,

All coils whine, just ~most~ are built and engineered so we don't hear them.
 
Tell me this, I started using PC since 1987. I began on fixing these PC since 1997. I never have 1 PC that has this problem until 2009 on that HP professional workstation. Is this because the wattage has gained so much since we have 150W PSU back in the 80's.
 
Happy Hopping said:
Tell me this, I started using PC since 1987. I began on fixing these PC since 1997. I never have 1 PC that has this problem until 2009 on that HP professional workstation. Is this because the wattage has gained so much since we have 150W PSU back in the 80's.
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No, it's called probability.
 
Happy Hopping said:
Tell me this, I started using PC since 1987. I began on fixing these PC since 1997. I never have 1 PC that has this problem until 2009 on that HP professional workstation. Is this because the wattage has gained so much since we have 150W PSU back in the 80's.
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-This doesn't mean a lot. I also started to build-up PC's since 2000. And to the contrary of other people, because of my obssesion for finding only the best of PSUs, i tend to change them more frequently than an average user/gamer.
I have changed at least 16 PSUs since then !! (*and these are the ones i can remember, i must have surely forgotten 1 or 2 more !!:p ). From all these PSUs, only once i spotted a coil-whine issue, and even at this one time, it happened when i changed appartment as i said above. Before that, the PSU was working fine as well !! (*and it still works fine since i put it inside a friend's pc !!).
-As for the new CST platform, according to my knowledge, so far is being used only by Thermaltake, and unfortunately, so far only for the model i told you !! ( Tt TPG-1250D-T ). I would love to see this platform being used with lesser wattage models:(
 
Happy Hopping said:
I disagree. I believe in volume means something. Remember in Star Trek Voyager, Neelix comes to Janeway and said (paraphrase) "folklore said that race is bad", and Janeway said "You can't go by stories from folklore", and Neelix said "But there are several thousands of them"
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You can disagree all you want but that doesn't change the fact that you are incorrect in your assessment methodology and understanding of the issue.
 
I haven't read Paul's review on PSU, I do see his name on the Hardocp, but I have read some of your other staff's review on other products. To be very direct, I get burned really bad from that:

https://hardforum.com/threads/nzxt-...-case-review-h.1726978/page-2#post-1041247675

Most of my product purchase decision is from my own research, when I can't get anywhere, I would go w/ Hardocp review. The NZXT case was 1 of the situation that I rely on HardOCP review, and quite frankly, since that incident, I no longer rely on HardOCP review.

This is how I picked Enermax:

I first go here:

https://plugloadsolutions.com/80PlusPowerSupplies.aspx

then I picked the ones that is available in North America, then I picked the ones that has to be totally quiet during regular load (no game, just business use)

if they are not totally quiet, even if they are the best, I don't want it, that's my personal criteria.

then from there, I spent hundreds of hr. on reading customer review, I no longer read computer editor magazine review. So for e.g., I read a few dozen cases on Antec PSU caught on fire at newegg, and I crossed out that brand's PSU.

As another e.g., I had 2 Corsair SSD that the PC doesn't see the drive, call them, their phone no. goes to answering machine, email them, there is no reply. And for that kind of customer service, I crossed out their name totally.

So using the process of elimination, not necessary on quality of PSU, but on customer service as well, back in Oct. to Dec. 2013, when I didn't find any bad review on Enermax, I picked their top of the line Platimax.

Oh, my motherboard is the Asus Z9PE, so, I need PSU that gives 2 x 12 V on the motherboard, there isn't that many PSU that comes with that.
 
I have never even heard coil wine! (Guess im deaf lol) So glad to have retired my thermaltake for EVGA 750g3. I was worried my old thermal take was killing my components!
 
Happy Hopping said:
just for the fun of it, I went to seasonic website and look at their top of the line, 12 yr. warranty PSU.

https://seasonic.com/product/prime-850-w-titanium/

you would think 12 yr. is the longest in the industry. But look at their MTBF on the fan, it's only 50K hr.

by contrast, Enermax is 5 yr. warranty, but their fan is a MTBF of 100K hr.

http://www.enermax.com/home.php?fn=eng/product_a1_1_1&lv0=1&lv1=52&no=172
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And? What is your point? Do you know how much that is? Or what MTBF means? What does this have to do with coil whine?

Have you considered, perhaps, not asking for input and just buying what you have already convinced yourself you want since you aren't taking or listening to advice?
 
yeah, 50k hr. on a server yields 2083 days or 5.71 years. That means a 12 yr. warranty PSU can die in 5.71 yr.

But no, it has nothing to do w/ coil whine, I'm bringing it up because some of you said seasonic is good. I'm saying if they are reasonably good, then shouldn't use a cheap fan rated at 5.71 yr. on a PSU that they claim will last 12 yr..

By contrast, enermax rated their fan to last 11.41 yr. and they give 5 yr. on their PSU. So the fan should last twice as long as the PSU
 
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