AMD Radeon RX Vega 64 Video Card Review @ [H]

juanrga said:
Maybe the problem is not at RGT, maybe the problem is that resources are being moved to the CPU division.
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It doesn't work that way. You might have a few specialist who deal with signalling issues and debugging and such on hardware. They would be "kanban hitmen" where they shift between teams to share their expertise. But switching a product line on a development team is a good way to shoot yourself in the foot.
 
erek said:
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idiot lol
 
So , UK prices of the air-cooled is £600 & liquid cooled nearly £700. 1080 GTX can be had for as low £489. Bit ridiculous really. Maybe a sign of stock levels more than anything?
 
TimberVD said:
So , UK prices of the air-cooled is £600 & liquid cooled nearly £700. 1080 GTX can be had for as low £489. Bit ridiculous really. Maybe a sign of stock levels more than anything?
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I think a lot of people bought into FreeSync monitors to save $200 and are now willing to overpay for a new GPU to put that monitor to use.
 
Presbytier said:
If that is the case sell off RTG as it is dragging your entire bottom line down. No business is going to hang on to an unprofitable division indefinitely. Of course we don't actually know if this is the case. AMD may not be moving resources out, but it is beginning to look like that either the people in charge of RTG are making bad decisions based on misguided market analysis or they don't have the resources needed to compete head to head with NVIDIA in the top of the line sector.
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As nice as Ryzen is, the real important market is APUs. Without those AMD would be toast.

IMO AMDs most important product this year is Raven Ridge. Without the RTG, there is no Raven Ridge.
 
Singularity_Survivor said:
I think it is fair to say the Vega 56/64 are only pertinent to Freesync monitor owners. However, I think the Vega 56 encroaches/overlaps the 1070 for everyone except for nVidia G-Sync monitor owners. Am I wrong?
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Or builders of new systems that want a matching monitor with a fixed budget. But you'll have to wait for prices to come down. $499 might be worth it WITH aftermarket cooling IF you get a freesync monitor. $599 not a chance.
 
sparks said:
when they ditch the stupid cooler and let manufactures work with it, well it might make it to 1080 performance or a little more.
But the wattage is crazy.
I knew it would not be a ti killer but if it can't even beat the 1080. Maybe it will make N drop the prices some.
N pricing has been a BS session for too long.

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and after looking aftermarket 1080's are cheaper then the stock vega
WTF
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That's because Nvidia already dropped the price of the 1080 to make room for the ti. Yup, AMD had zero effect on prices this generation.

Vega doesn't exceed the 1080 outside of Doom, and the price is higher.
 
TimberVD said:
So , UK prices of the air-cooled is £600 & liquid cooled nearly £700. 1080 GTX can be had for as low £489. Bit ridiculous really. Maybe a sign of stock levels more than anything?
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OCUK have the powercolor AIO version listed for preorder for £780.....
 
stashix said:
Leatherjacketman says no Volta before 2018 because no competition.
http://www.pcgamer.com/nvidias-next-gen-volta-gaming-gpus-arent-arriving-anytime-soon/

Which got me thinking if I should swap my 1080 for a 1080Ti, all in all it would cost me ~150€.
You guys think it's worth it? I'm gaming on 2560x1440 60Hz.
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This is been seriously taken out of context by the various tech sites.
Same tech sites that were then caught out when 1080 and 1070 launched.....
People and those sites were making assumptions about Pascal Geforce because he did not mention it at CES last year with the focus on automobile and GP100.

Moral of the story, Nvidia has a tighter ship when it comes to leaks and a lot of BS is generated by sites, such as 'Nvidia has a problem implementing HBM2 for their flagship model and their general products will not launch anywhere near AMD cycle for Polaris that has a large leadtime advantage' - this was done by several sites and we know how that turned out.
Then there were ones about GDDRX5 not available for any product soon, but then we had that in two products by August 2016...
Cheers
 
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CSI_PC said:
This is been seriously taken out of context by the various tech sites.
Same tech sites that were then caught out when 1080 and 1070 launched.....
People and those sites were making assumptions about Pascal Geforce because he did not mention it at CES last year with the focus on automobile and GP100
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Did you miss the direct quote by mr smug mug that pascal would be unbeatable for this Christmas season?
 
TimberVD said:
Never had any issues with my Nvidia cards on launch day or later. That's why I've always bought Nvidia for the last decade+. Seen plenty of horrific AMD launch day blunders, and yet again AMD shows they really have a crap driver department.
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I call BS, I had nothing but issues with my laptop that had gsync and a 1070, gsync would only work under very specific conditions, witcher 3 it had an issue rendering hair to the point I returned a new monitor dead set that the monitors refresh rate was bs and it ghosted like crazy.
Multiple 1070s on a MB required 10 driver installations and i was FORCED to install Geforce experience to get them working
Oh and it couldn't run mech warrior online smoothly at all, was eerily similar to my 7870, piss poor drivers for any non benchmark titles has been my experience.
 
CSI_PC said:
This is been seriously taken out of context by the various tech sites.
Same tech sites that were then caught out when 1080 and 1070 launched.....
People and those sites were making assumptions about Pascal Geforce because he did not mention it at CES last year with the focus on automobile and GP100.

Moral of the story, Nvidia has a tighter ship when it comes to leaks and a lot of BS is generated by sites, such as 'Nvidia has a problem implementing HBM2 for their flagship model and their general products will not launch anywhere near AMD cycle for Polaris that has a large leadtime advantage' - this was done by several sites and we know how that turned out.
Then there were ones about GDDRX5 not available for any product soon, but then we had that in two products by August 2016...
Cheers
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Yep, the amount of Crow eaten by AMDrones spouting their fantasies depopulated half of the crow murders in the American plains for six months.
 
CSI_PC said:
This is been seriously taken out of context by the various tech sites.
Same tech sites that were then caught out when 1080 and 1070 launched.....
People and those sites were making assumptions about Pascal Geforce because he did not mention it at CES last year with the focus on automobile and GP100.

Moral of the story, Nvidia has a tighter ship when it comes to leaks and a lot of BS is generated by sites, such as 'Nvidia has a problem implementing HBM2 for their flagship model and their general products will not launch anywhere near AMD cycle for Polaris that has a large leadtime advantage' - this was done by several sites and we know how that turned out.
Then there were ones about GDDRX5 not available for any product soon, but then we had that in two products by August 2016...
Cheers
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Well Volta was always planned for end of this year, early next year, so now we know early next year. within 1st Q of next year. That being said March looks good, just like Maxwell's launch, that is 7 months out, process maturity should be good by then and price drops per wafer.
 
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razor1 said:
Well Volta was always planned for end of this year, early next year, so now we know early next year. within 1st Q of next year. That being said March looks good, just like Maxwell's launch, that is 7 months out, process maturity should be good by then and price drops per wafer.
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If I was Nvidia I'd be tempted to pipe clean "12 nm" with a Pascal refresh this fall and release Volta in May/June 18.
 
razor1 said:
and price drops per wafer.
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Price drops in manufacturing that profit nVidia surely, doubt us consumers will see that in MSRP.

Nvidia and Intel price gouging is the enemy of computer hardware enthusiast imo. If roles were reversed, I'd equally think the same of AMD.
 
Singularity_Survivor said:
Price drops in manufacturing that profit nVidia surely, doubt us consumers will see that in MSRP.

Nvidia and Intel price gouging is the enemy of computer hardware enthusiast imo. If roles were reversed, I'd equally think the same of AMD.
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How is Nvidia price gouging if AMD comes into the market at the same price and performance?
 
Singularity_Survivor said:
Price drops in manufacturing that profit nVidia surely, doubt us consumers will see that in MSRP.

Nvidia and Intel price gouging is the enemy of computer hardware enthusiast imo. If roles were reversed, I'd equally think the same of AMD.
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The only cards nV price grouges with is their Titan line, and everyone that buys those cards, know what they are getting and are willing to spend that much money.
 
Singularity_Survivor said:
Price drops in manufacturing that profit nVidia surely, doubt us consumers will see that in MSRP.

Nvidia and Intel price gouging is the enemy of computer hardware enthusiast imo. If roles were reversed, I'd equally think the same of AMD.
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So AMD releases a slower, more power hungry card 15 months later yet still charges the same price as the competition (or even more) and somehow Nvidia is the one price gouging?
 
Ocellaris said:
How is Nvidia price gouging if AMD comes into the market at the same price and performance?
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But but HBM2, Packed Math and FP16.... In all seriousness, the fact AMD release something hotter and somewhat keep up with 1080 at the same price over a year late is a joke.... 50 bucks less or a year earlier and it would have been fine.
 
Chimpee said:
But but HBM2, Packed Math and FP16.... In all seriousness, the fact AMD release something hotter and somewhat keep up with 1080 at the same price over a year late is a joke.... 50 bucks less or a year earlier and it would have been fine.
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It is no joke at all, when you consider where they came from and the fact that AMD is much healthier now than they have been in a long, long time. :)
 
ManofGod said:
It is no joke at all, when you consider where they came from and the fact that AMD is much healthier now than they have been in a long, long time. :)
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Indeed they are, they have executed well enough for Ryzen launch and finally have some decent financial numbers. But I am primarily talking about the execution of Vega with so much marketing hype buildup from AMD itself is a huge letdown, not NV30 letdown but it doesn't look good compare to what the competition offered already.
 
ManofGod said:
It is no joke at all, when you consider where they came from and the fact that AMD is much healthier now than they have been in a long, long time. :)
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On the CPU side they are healthy and polaris helped them gain a small amount of market share back, but we would be kidding ourselves to think Vega is going to move the dial in the positive direction at all.
 
ManofGod said:
People will buy them, even at that price. At least we know one reason they are out of stock most everywhere. That and I think most will be waiting for Vega 56 anyways.
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I am waiting on the RX Vega 56, with a bit of undervolting to drop power consumption I feel it will make a great card for 3d work & video editing...
 
Thanks for the review guys. I hope they can kick into high gear next time. We need competition!!
 
man the 64 is higher than any 1080 you can buy at newegg.....thats their suggested retail....its a joke for the price...and if people pay more they are just dumb
 
Chimpee said:
But but HBM2, Packed Math and FP16....
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Those features aren't even used yet. Not until the upcoming AAA titles hit. Or current ones patch it in, but really need SM6 for that or everyone will complain about intriniscs. Might see Doom gain another 10-15% as the engine is patched for Wolfenstein.
 
Anarchist4000 said:
Those features aren't even used yet. Not until the upcoming AAA titles hit. Or current ones patch it in, but really need SM6 for that or everyone will complain about intriniscs. Might see Doom gain another 10-15% as the engine is patched for Wolfenstein.
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We won't see that many games use FP16 and packed math. The Game programmers aren't skilled in that and the only companies who have that talent also have the money to spend on it like Bethesda and EA. Outside of id Tech and Frostbite i don't expect high adoption.
 
Doom and gloom is strong.

Vega looks capable at dx12/vulkan. Vega 64 may not ever be a great value, but Vega 56 could definitely be a pretty decent value buy. Not these reference cards though, wait for the aftermarket coolers on Vega 56's.

As to mining, despite rumors, their hash-rate does not perform well to power-draw and cost of card. A 1080 performs better in this scenario and nobody is buying those for mining, as more 480/580 and 1060's are superior price/power/performance.

I think we will see some pretty cool non-reference Vega 56's in the near future. As more and more titles release dx12/vulkan moving forward, the cards will perform better...but who knows if that adoption happens within the window of this hardware release.

Expectations were 1080 performance, and Vega kinda slightly missed on average. I feel the games tested were representative of the market.

Who really knows what the market holds though? These cards could become cheaper. What reference AMD, or NVIDIA card for that matter, has ever been the best representation of what a chip can do?

Why do reference cards always release with these terrible coolers? Is it because AMD and NVIDIA have to agree to give their partners an economy to grow and work in with better cooling options?

I think 3 months from now we have some awesome non-reference Vega 56's.
 
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