Vega Rumors

Araxie said:
all 1080 FE can hold over 1900 by just using a more aggressive fan curve.. adding extra core offset and power target to 120% those tend to go easily over 2.000mhz at about 65C stable.. in fact the [H] 1080 FE Sample did an average of 2060mhz and average 56C temp with vRAM at 11.1ghz BUT and the big but with the fan speed at 100%. so with a more moderate fan curve that top at 70% to keep noise down, 2ghz are still easily doable at acceptable temps on the 1080 FE.
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I would like to see these after playing for a couple hours in a normal closed case and see if they can sustain that 2000 overclock. Running a benchmark mine can do 2200 but wont stay stable for playing a game but will do a benchmark fine. It sort of like taking a 7900X and taking it to 4.8, sure it can do it but it cant sustain it for long. Not saying it's impossible Araxie but I dont think it's as sustainable as some benchmarks make it look. Plus many people dont realize it's throttling and dropping the clocks and they state it's running 2000 but in reality its running slower and why they are puzzled that their benchmark numbers dropped. AIB do far better as they have much better cooling and sometimes a few tweaks to the bios that help. But even at 1900 the 1080 is a nice fast card and Vega will have it's hand full trying to stay with it.
 
Gideon said:
I would like to see these after playing for a couple hours in a normal closed case and see if they can sustain that 2000 overclock. Running a benchmark mine can do 2200 but wont stay stable for playing a game but will do a benchmark fine. It sort of like taking a 7900X and taking it to 4.8, sure it can do it but it cant sustain it for long. Not saying it's impossible Araxie but I dont think it's as sustainable as some benchmarks make it look. Plus many people dont realize it's throttling and dropping the clocks and they state it's running 2000 but in reality its running slower and why they are puzzled that their benchmark numbers dropped. AIB do far better as they have much better cooling and sometimes a few tweaks to the bios that help. But even at 1900 the 1080 is a nice fast card and Vega will have it's hand full trying to stay with it.
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I have a EVGA 1080, with a blower cooler just like the FE Edition, and I can sustain a 2000mhz clock while gaming. But I could not tell you if the EVGA stock blower is better then the FE version.
 
Gideon said:
I would like to see these after playing for a couple hours in a normal closed case and see if they can sustain that 2000 overclock. Running a benchmark mine can do 2200 but wont stay stable for playing a game but will do a benchmark fine. It sort of like taking a 7900X and taking it to 4.8, sure it can do it but it cant sustain it for long. Not saying it's impossible Araxie but I dont think it's as sustainable as some benchmarks make it look. Plus many people dont realize it's throttling and dropping the clocks and they state it's running 2000 but in reality its running slower and why they are puzzled that their benchmark numbers dropped. AIB do far better as they have much better cooling and sometimes a few tweaks to the bios that help. But even at 1900 the 1080 is a nice fast card and Vega will have it's hand full trying to stay with it.
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In sustained gaming my FE holds to about 2038 at 72c with a 80% fan speed.
 
Okay if amd is backtracking and overpricing vega 64 so and appealing to miners from original price of 499.99. Seriously as much as I love for them to succeed and give them kudos for Ryzen and Threadripper. This is a shady move and if we see all RX Vega 64 prices at 599 just because it might be better at mining and bullshitted about the original price. All respect gone! They can go fuck themselves until they have a worthy product. AMD not only released a dud in vega 64 and have the audacity to price it at 599.99 from original 499.99. This is worse move than nvidia founders edition crap which I hated.
 
NKD said:
Okay if amd is backtracking and overpricing vega 64 so and appealing to miners from original price of 499.99. Seriously as much as I love for them to succeed and give them kudos for Ryzen and Threadripper. This is a shady move and if we see all RX Vega 64 prices at 599 just because it might be better at mining and bullshitted about the original price. All respect gone! They can go fuck themselves until they have a worthy product. AMD not only released a dud in vega 64 and have the audacity to price it at 599.99 from original 499.99. This is worse move than nvidia founders edition crap which I hated.
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While I agree 100%, you know that these cards will still sell out like hotcakes, and AMD will make a good profit because the miners will snatch them up.

BUT this is only if they are good miners. Miners don't give a rats ass about gaming performance, they care about how much money they can make mining.

I say good for AMD to make an extra buck while they can. Lords knows they need the cash bad. I mean It's ok for Nvidia to overprice video cards (Titan Xp, Titan Xp2). So I say go for it AMD. Make as much money as you can!
 
Brackle said:
While I agree 100%, you know that these cards will still sell out like hotcakes, and AMD will make a good profit because the miners will snatch them up.

BUT this is only if they are good miners. Miners don't give a rats ass about gaming performance, they care about how much money they can make mining.

I say good for AMD to make an extra buck while they can. Lords knows they need the cash bad. I mean It's ok for Nvidia to overprice video cards (Titan Xp, Titan Xp2). So I say go for it AMD. Make as much money as you can!
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AMD isn't making the extra money. They sell the cards for the negotiated amount to the distributer. The distributer and the retailer make the extra buck.
 
Brackle said:
While I agree 100%, you know that these cards will still sell out like hotcakes, and AMD will make a good profit because the miners will snatch them up.

BUT this is only if they are good miners. Miners don't give a rats ass about gaming performance, they care about how much money they can make mining.

I say good for AMD to make an extra buck while they can. Lords knows they need the cash bad. I mean It's ok for Nvidia to overprice video cards (Titan Xp, Titan Xp2). So I say go for it AMD. Make as much money as you can!
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The problem is advertising at one MSRP and then selling them for $100 more. NVIDIA told us how much the Founders Edition was and that was its exact price.
 
Presbytier said:
The problem is advertising at one MSRP and then selling them for $100 more. NVIDIA told us how much the Founders Edition was and that was its exact price.
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again - AMD is not responsible for what the retailer sells it for.

you watch, Newegg will sell it for what AMD said MSRP was. They don't price up their stuff. Then you'll know it wasn't AMD that's marking them up.
 
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Archaea said:
again - AMD is not responsible for what the retailer sells it for.

watch - newegg will sell it for what AMD said MSRP was. They don't price up their stuff.
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Actually yeah they are responsible. You clearly have never worked in retail. Prices are negotiated.
 
Presbytier said:
Actually yeah they are responsible. You clearly have never worked in retail. Prices are negotiated.
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you'll be proven wrong on Monday when newegg sells for msrp. (for like 30 seconds before they are sold out ;) )
 
its a bad call by amd to screw us over by no reviews letting out, i am annoyed enough to go 1080 ti. ? How does everyone esle feel?
 
Archaea said:
again - AMD is not responsible for what the retailer sells it for.

you watch, Newegg will sell it for what AMD said MSRP was. They don't price up their stuff. Then you'll know it wasn't AMD that's marking them up.
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It's like people don't know what the S in MSRP stands for "Manufacturers SUGGESTED Retails Price"
AMD can say, "MSRP = $99.99", however retailers can turn around and sell said item for $5.00 or $500.00..(unless signed into an exclusive contract to which they signed and agreement to sell within x% of MSRP)
 
FrameBuffer said:
It's like people don't know what the S in MSRP stands for "Manufacturers SUGGESTED Retails Price"
AMD can say, "MSRP = $99.99", however retailers can turn around and sell said item for $5.00 or $500.00..(unless signed into an exclusive contract to which they signed and agreement to sell within x% of MSRP)
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You can't fix stupid. Do not even try (hell, even I tried in the other thread) as you will always fail.
 
doz said:
You can't fix stupid. Do not even try (hell, even I tried in the other thread) as you will always fail.
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Go on....I'm listening

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DigitalGriffin said:
Go on....I'm listening

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What are you listening for? Do you want me to give you a link to what MSRP stands for? Do you want me to try and help you understand why it is not AMDs fault if retailers jack up the prices?

Didn't I just say you cannot fix stupid?

Or maybe I misunderstood your post and where you were going with it......
 
I think it's because most people don't understand how retail markets work. They don't understand, or want to understand, that jacked up prices (i.e. above and beyone MSRP) only benefit the people/companies selling at a premium, not AMD/RTG.

To make maters even more complicated, AMD/RTG doesn't even manufacture their own cards (sure, there's reference, but those are made by another company). So AMD/RTG doesn't even get a full retail cut...
 
GamerNexus took down their article. A twitter post they made:


Maybe AMD folded.....or doubled down (doubt it).
 
Magic Hate Ball said:
Yeah, nForce2 was pretty solid for Socket A.
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I used to have an NForce 2 board and I just remembered how hot its southbridge got. When the chipset fan started to get really noisy, I replaced the HSF cooler with a passive full copper chipset heatsink. Unfortunately, that wasn't enough so the southbridge chip overheated and failed after a few weeks of use and that pretty much killed the board.
 
Archaea said:
again - AMD is not responsible for what the retailer sells it for.

you watch, Newegg will sell it for what AMD said MSRP was. They don't price up their stuff. Then you'll know it wasn't AMD that's marking them up.
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Newegg launch price will be the true indicator to be honest.

and why the fuck couldn't amd have the launch set on sunday instead of monday. May be they want less people paying attention lol.
 
NKD said:
Newegg launch price will be the true indicator to be honest.

and why the fuck couldn't amd have the launch set on sunday instead of monday. May be they want less people paying attention lol.
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Tbf I don't think anyone sets a weekend launch date.
 
razor1 said:
If social media is your forum. And go to Linus to show your your products..... You are fucked. Linus isn't going to get in the middle of your fucked up product and tell you the truth. He won't do it. He won't his 1 million subs to speak for him. What the fuck is he going to do? Kill his base to make you happy? No idiot will do that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Linus... I am not really a fan of any of his videos related to AMD, Intel, or Nvidia. Or any other videos really... The people he is appealing to show their ignorance in the comment section. But hey jump of whatever bandwagon that is going to bring you the most views/money.
 
Brackle said:
While I agree 100%, you know that these cards will still sell out like hotcakes, and AMD will make a good profit because the miners will snatch them up.

BUT this is only if they are good miners. Miners don't give a rats ass about gaming performance, they care about how much money they can make mining.

I say good for AMD to make an extra buck while they can. Lords knows they need the cash bad. I mean It's ok for Nvidia to overprice video cards (Titan Xp, Titan Xp2). So I say go for it AMD. Make as much money as you can!
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How will AMD make a profit when miners, scalpels, or stores sell them 300+ over MSRP? Not like they turn around give any of that money back to AMD.

These card will most likely sell out due to people who hate green, love underdog, only available card on the market for a short time.

Now I am not saying AMD will not make any profit, whatever the cost of the card/production (unknown to me) and MSRP is they will get. But everyone else posted above will make far more profits than AMD if they can snatch em up and sell them highly over priced.
 
Magic Hate Ball said:
Yeah, nForce2 was pretty solid for Socket A.
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the only 2 things nForce had going for it was dual channel and it's sound. They relied heavily on 3rd party IP for both, and actually in part why Aureal (who developed SoundStorm) eventually collapsed, similar to 3dFX litigation.
 
FrameBuffer said:
the only 2 things nForce had going for it was dual channel and it's sound. They relied heavily on 3rd party IP for both, and actually in part why Aureal (who developed SoundStorm) eventually collapsed, similar to 3dFX litigation.
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Are you thinking original nForce chipset? nForce2 was well reviewed and I actually have a board here based on it that works...

Here's Anandtech's take on it back in the day http://www.anandtech.com/show/1005
 
the nforce 2 was a monster and could hit a 250MHz fsb with some bh5 at cas2 and like 230s with Ch5. There was literally no alternative (via options sucked)The nforce 2 made the tbred B worth having.

The nforce 3 was solid as well and was really the only option for the athlon 64.


:p amateurs ;)
 
sabrewolf732 said:
the nforce 2 was a monster and could hit a 250MHz fsb with some bh5 at cas2 and like 230s with Ch5. There was literally no alternative (via options sucked)The nforce 2 made the tbred B worth having.

The nforce 3 was solid as well and was really the only option for the athlon 64.


:p amateurs ;)
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My first real oc build was an Abit nf7s with a mobile Barton. And some Corsair ram with the micron(?) chips.

Nf2 was the best around for a long time.
 
VEGA 56 3Dmark Benchmark


Just of the top of my head, these seem like OCED 1070 scores, correct me if I'm wrong
 
Dayman said:
"Leaked" benches from TweakTown showed otherwise :confused:
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as much as I have bashed amd for vega. tweaktown benches weren't for 3dmark. and 3d mark isn't a game. Yea it will give you general ballpark, but games can be a totally different story.
 
I try not to get involved in these kinda threads, but here are my thoughts:

For a mid-range-budget gamer, a Vega 56 and a freesync monitor could equal one hell of a good gaming experience.

Cheap freesync tech is about the only reason I'd consider hopping back on the AMD train right now....
 
Something like this:

https://www.amazon.com/AOC-G2460PF-24-Inch-Gaming-Monitor/dp/B01BV1XBEI/ref=as_li_ss_tl

$200 with a 35-144hz range

That's the kinda "budget" I'm talking about....

For $600 total (incl. a Vega 56), ain't a bad deal!

(Especially if you're more inclined towards e-sports/crazy fps gaming etc)

*As you can see from my sig, I'm not one that is prone to dropping $700 on a monitor

It all boils down to facilitating a need in the marketplace and I believe AMD might have hit the nail on the head with the Ryzen 1600X, Vega 56, and a Freesync monitor.
 
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