AMD Vega prices to cost significantly more than expected

I am surprised more of you are not just worn down from all the delays, unrealized performance expectations and general BS hoop-lah that always leads no where.

I made the jump to nVidia 2+ years and have never ever looked back. Pushing my 4K Samsung KS8000 all day long @ 60fps and above
 
Just bought a Vega FE for $850. Hopefully I can hack in the gaming drivers on this one once released. It was a dumb move probably but oh well, I just want to play with something new. I had plenty of time with my 1080ti.
 
So..... Prices are now higher because some shops are gouging prices on pre-orders?

MSRP is just that. If AMD sets MSRP @ $499 and it sells from retailers @ $650, how is that AMD fault? Supply and demand would be the only thing to drive this. Dont like the price? Choose not to buy and the prices will come back down. You cant be mad @ AMD if they set the MSRP and a company sells it for more.
 
doz said:
So..... Prices are now higher because some shops are gouging prices on pre-orders?

MSRP is just that. If AMD sets MSRP @ $499 and it sells from retailers @ $650, how is that AMD fault? Supply and demand would be the only thing to drive this. Dont like the price? Choose not to buy and the prices will come back down. You cant be mad @ AMD if they set the MSRP and a company sells it for more.
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It depends if this quote from the article is accurate:
"The specific variant that is affected by the price inflation is the reference air cooled model which should have shipped at the $499 US price but AMD has told their partners to sell the card at the same pricing as the limited edition model."
 
Fleat said:
It depends if this quote from the article is accurate:
"The specific variant that is affected by the price inflation is the reference air cooled model which should have shipped at the $499 US price but AMD has told their partners to sell the card at the same pricing as the limited edition model."
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Might be wrong, but this sounds like complete horseshit. Clickbait utilizing bogus quotes w/ real-time price gouging.

Again, I could be wrong.... I dont doubt a shortage though.
 
It's true. Same BS happening here, the blower model is (was) going for Ti pricing.
Bet they're going for the gouge the fuck out of miners approach. Why not... not like people play games with them any more ffs. Retailers know miners will pay for it so third time is a charm eh?

Update: Actually as of today it seems they have all been de-listed. So obviously the distributor was given a slap by AMD for pre-ordering. Only Frontier edition cards are listed and at wildly varying prices from ~1200 USD to 2K usd.
 
given the info in the wild so far AMD better hope they are good miners, or they come up with magic drivers. anything over 1070msrp is too much given the performance/power numbers. miners are the only ones dumb enough to overpay and not care about heat

Vega 56 looks like exactly what i want freesync and 1070-1080 performance but not for the prices ive seen floating around, might as well buy a 1080ti and run adaptive sync and be good enough
 
I was ready to jump on the Freesync bandwagon and get a 1440p Freesync monitor and Vega but these prices are out of wack. If I have to pay 1080ti prices for Vega I'll just get a 1080ti.
 
1080 ti is 25% to 30% faster than Vega at stock speeds. And I am being generous with the 25% ... that's assuming Vega is slightly faster than a 1080.

1080 vs 1080 ti


http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1080-Ti-vs-Nvidia-GTX-1080/3918vs3603


I mean, how can you honestly turn 30% away? Ignore 30% performance? How does anyone really do that?

I certainly wouldn't and in fact, haven't.

I'm telling you, the 1080 ti is a BEAST of a card performance wise.
 
SixFootDuo said:
1080 ti is 25% to 30% faster than Vega at stock speeds. And I am being generous with the 25% ... that's assuming Vega is slightly faster than a 1080.

1080 vs 1080 ti


http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1080-Ti-vs-Nvidia-GTX-1080/3918vs3603


I mean, how can you honestly turn 30% away? Ignore 30% performance? How does anyone really do that?

I certainly wouldn't and in fact, haven't.

I'm telling you, the 1080 ti is a BEAST of a card performance wise.
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Well, if AMD does come in with a card 30% slower than a TI @ $499, you dont get the performance per dollar.

This is all assuming it is faster than a 1080 and drops at $499 like claimed (not counting mark-up from retailers. Sorry, but that is not AMD's fault at that point).
 
BassTek said:
I was ready to jump on the Freesync bandwagon and get a 1440p Freesync monitor and Vega but these prices are out of wack. If I have to pay 1080ti prices for Vega I'll just get a 1080ti.
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And then pay 2x as much for your gsync monitor. :(
 
SixFootDuo said:
1080 ti is 25% to 30% faster than Vega at stock speeds. And I am being generous with the 25% ... that's assuming Vega is slightly faster than a 1080.

1080 vs 1080 ti


http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1080-Ti-vs-Nvidia-GTX-1080/3918vs3603


I mean, how can you honestly turn 30% away? Ignore 30% performance? How does anyone really do that?

I certainly wouldn't and in fact, haven't.

I'm telling you, the 1080 ti is a BEAST of a card performance wise.
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Because you obviously haven't used freesync (or gsync?)


I sold my fury x crossfire for 1080ti sli.

It was a mistake.

On my freesync monitors, the Fury X crossfire delivered a better, smoother, gaming experience than the 1080ti sli with vsync.

I'll trade out my 1080ti for Vega and expect a smoother experience for doing so. If I hadn't sold my Fury X, I'd switch back in a heartbeat.

Monitors = three HP Omen 32" in eyefinity or surround.
 
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So a bunch of online shops I've never heard of are price gouging on a product that isn't even released? Not sure I care. Now if it was Amazon or Newegg (not resellers) maybe that would be a different story.
 
No, man, the vendors have tested the cards hash rate and are pricing them accordingly.
 
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The tax for GSync isn't that high, and the mining tax on the AMD side isn't helping the price per performance of a Freesync solution.
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I paid $300 each, for all three of my HP Omen 32" monitors. I bought them new on a sale. You can buy them refurb for $275 with pixel and screen perfect guarantee off ebay pretty much every day from one of several big refurb shops with reasonable quantities.

  • 32"
  • 2560x1440
  • VA with great contrast, great blacks, great colors
  • Freesync



Please link me to a gysync panel for <$600 that is

  • 32"
  • 2560x1440
  • VA or IPS with great contrast, great blacks, great colors (I don't every want to buy a TN panel ever again)
  • Gsync

I am still considering keeping the 1080TI SLI pair, and if I kept them I'd sell my three freesync monitors --- but I'd at least want a lateral trade for displays -- and I can't see a way to do it without a huge gsync tax. I'm not really interested in one of the $1300 ultrawides right now because all the units I see are missing some features I think they should have by now (especially for those incredible prices --- oled, or quantum dots, or HDR to name a few)

Knowing how good a monitor the HP Omen 32" is for $300 (or $400 MSRP) makes me cranky to spend ~$700 for something nearly identical (as far as panel quality) on the gsysnc side --- when I think there are some significant monitor upgrade technologies looming just around the corner. Also, why is a single 34" or 35" ultrawide $1k to $1.3K-- when you can buy a 65" 4K HDTV for $800 all day at a host of places. There is definitely still a novelty markup on those ultrawides at this point. Even so, I've tried a 35" ultrawide and didn't like it too much (I thought it was vertically too short). 3

So it's either a 38" ultrawide, which doesn't exist for gsync yet, or three 32" 16x9 monitors for eyefinity or surround - but those monitors are far too expensive on the NVidia gsync side.
 
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Dan said:
im sitting on my gtx 1080. I need dat freesync doe X_X
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to me g-sync is kinda trivial thing. i honestly don't see the value in it. i will make input lag, however slight. hz beyond 60+ is something different. it's not worth the added price for sure, if it was like a bonus feature that was on most screens, which it should be. then sure why not. mostly i don't use it, and i can't see the difference either. hyped feature it seems to me but that just my opinion. i cant seem to experience much of the problems which it is supposed to correct.
 
Archaea said:
I paid $300 for all three of my HP Omen 32" monitors. I bought them new on a sale. You can buy them refurb for $275 with pixel and screen perfect guarantee off ebay pretty much every day from one of several big refurb shops with reasonable quantities.

  • 32"
  • 2560x1440
  • VA with great contrast, great blacks, great colors
  • Freesync



Please link me to a gysync panel for <$600 that is

  • 32"
  • 2560x1440
  • VA or IPS with great contrast, great blacks, great colors (I don't every want to buy a TN panel again)
  • Gsync

I am still considering keeping the 1080TI SLI pair, and if I kept them I'd sell my three freesync monitors --- but I'd at least want a lateral trade for displays -- and I can't see a way to do it without a huge gsync tax. I'm not really interested in one of the $1300 ultrawides right now because all the units I see are missing some features I think they should have by now (and for those incredible prices). (oled, or quantum dots, or HDR)

Knowing how good a monitor the HP Omen 32" is for $300 (or $400 MSRP) makes me cranky to spend ~$700 for something nearly identical on the gsysnc side --- when I think there are some significant monitor upgrade technologies looming just around the corner. (also why is a single 34" or 35" ultrawide $1k to $1.3K-- you can buy a 65" 4K HDTV for $800 all day). I've tried a 35" ultrawide and didn't like it to much (thought it was vertically too short). So it's either a 38" ultrawide which doesn't exist for gsync yet, or three 32" 16x9 monitors for eyefinity or surround.
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One thing of note: only FreeSync on 1440p has 75hz variants, but 1440p G-Sync has absolutely nothing in that range, all of them are 144hz panels.

So comparing a 32" Omen to a G-Sync equivalent isn't exactly a fair comparison, because low refresh rate monitors are already inherently cheaper than high refresh rates before taking into account of the FreeSync discount/G-Sync tax.

Again, while this isn't a fair comparison, the only 32" 1440p 144hz FreeSync is C32HG70, and that particular panel costs the same XB271HU, a G-Sync 1440p 144hz 27" monitor. Granted, they are not the same size, but you get my point, expensive FreeSync monitors do also exist.

This varies case by case use of course. If one is only in the market for 75hz, then FreeSync vs G-Sync argument does not apply because the person has absolutely no choice in the matter.
 
DrLobotomy said:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&N=100007709 601301599

AMD Radeon Vega Frontier Edition DirectX 12 100-506061 16GB 2048-Bit HBM2 Video Card (Air Cooled Model) $999.99

AMD Radeon Vega Frontier Edition DirectX 12.1 100-5056062 16GB 2048-Bit HBM2 Video Card (Liquid Cooled Model) $1,499.99
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Archaea said:
Those aren't the RX Vega...
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DrLobotomy said:
Neither is the headline. But OK.
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The headline may not state "RX Vega", but it is implied as the subject of the thread...

And the Vega FE units you quote ARE listed at the expected prices, so your posting is another example of folks throwing around a good bit of FUD in these Vega threads...
 
Boil said:
The headline may not state "RX Vega", but it is implied as the subject of the thread...

And the Vega FE units you quote ARE listed at the expected prices, so your posting is another example of folks throwing around a good bit of FUD in these Vega threads...
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Not really sure how Neweggs' own listing is FUD, but again, OK.
 
DrLobotomy said:
Not really sure how Neweggs' own listing is FUD, but again, OK.
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Because you are coming into a thread which CLEARLY (even if not explicitly stated) about the RX Vega line of GPUs and throwing around pricing (which IS the MSRP pricing for the Vega FE models) which would certainly cause Fear, Uncertainty, & Doubt in the less informed thread viewers...
 
It's crazy you are still trolling amd.
I saw your name as op and instantly knew it would be trolling.
 
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Should change the title of this thread. The article for one, says "could", two is wccftech :sick:, and three uses one US store that I never heard of as a place to quote the US price.
 
Not surprised, having to compete with a 300mm2 GDDR5X card using a 500mm2 die and HBM2 and 2x the power consumption is a cost killer. Same reason Vega wont be around after GV106.
 
Putz said:
given the info in the wild so far AMD better hope they are good miners, or they come up with magic drivers. anything over 1070msrp is too much given the performance/power numbers. miners are the only ones dumb enough to overpay and not care about heat

Vega 56 looks like exactly what i want freesync and 1070-1080 performance but not for the prices ive seen floating around, might as well buy a 1080ti and run adaptive sync and be good enough
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Yeah, might as well buy at $750 card instead. :eek::rolleyes: This is not so much directed at you as all those who keep claiming that Ti is some magic price bullet when their prices are up from what they once were. I am not buying but if I were, I would just pick up 2 x Vega at $399 each and be happy. No, I do not buy video cards at a conflated prices except for once and completely regretted it, a $650 980 Ti and lost out big time.
 
Shintai said:
Not surprised, having to compete with a 300mm2 GDDR5X card using a 500mm2 die and HBM2 and 2x the power consumption is a cost killer. Same reason Vega wont be around after GV106.
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AH HA! I was wondering where you went too. :D No, you are wrong but hey, you were never the target of the Vega lineup anyways.
 
stealthballer123 said:
It's crazy you are still trolling amd.
I saw your name as op and instantly knew it would be trolling.
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Not really a fan of AMD but I'm certainly not trolling AMD. Like I've said, I'm not a brand oriented fanboy of either. I've echoed this throughout all my posts over the last few years. I'm a fanboy of performance. So who can deliver gets my attention. Be it AMD or nVidia.

My girlfriend doesn't care about performance so for her AMD is fine. We've been waiting for an "affordable" solution. So this actually does affect me.

The miners have been buying all the AMD cards down at Microcenter for months no, although, not lately. I absolutely can see where these cards will be bought out, marked up, etc etc. I think anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves.
 
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