RX Vega Reportedly Offers “Insane Levels” of Mining Performance

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Overclockers is claiming that AMD Vega cards provide hash rates of between 70 and 100 per card. In contrast, RX 580 GPUs only achieve hashrates of around 26 to 29. This level of mining performance is even higher than what was presented with AMD's Radeon Vega Frontier Edition.

If this is true, AMD's RX Vega series GPUs are mining beasts, with the potential to offer a greater hastrate per watt than AMD's existing RX 500/400 series GPU lineup. Gibbo has been a reliable source of information in the past, stating on the Overclockers UK forums that they are trying their best to come up with preventative measures that will prevent miners from "wiping all the stock out within 5 minutes of product going live". Perhaps Overclockers UK are planning to only sell one GPU per customer or implement some other sales tactic to ensure that as many RX Vega GPUs land into the hands of gamers as possible.
 
Megalith said:
Overclockers is claiming that AMD Vega cards provide hash rates of between 70 and 100 per card. In contrast, RX 580 GPUs only achieve hashrates of around 26 to 29. This level of mining performance is even higher than what was presented with AMD's Radeon Vega Frontier Edition.

If this is true, AMD's RX Vega series GPUs are mining beasts, with the potential to offer a greater hastrate per watt than AMD's existing RX 500/400 series GPU lineup. Gibbo has been a reliable source of information in the past, stating on the Overclockers UK forums that they are trying their best to come up with preventative measures that will prevent miners from "wiping all the stock out within 5 minutes of product going live". Perhaps Overclockers UK are planning to only sell one GPU per customer or implement some other sales tactic to ensure that as many RX Vega GPUs land into the hands of gamers as possible.
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They couldn't have held onto this information until after the cards were released, so gamers at least had a little chance to get their hands on one?
 
Armenius said:
They couldn't have held onto this information until after the cards were released, so gamers at least had a little chance to get their hands on one?
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The information (if true, doubtful) would come to light from a hundred other sources before release, so gamers never had a chance anyway. And even if miners weren't a factor, fanboys would pay the gouge pricing for what will be AMD's usually low volume initial shipments.

Anyway, this "70-100 MH/s" performance rumor from "Gibbo at Overclockers UK" is utter nonsense for RX Vega, since Vega FE only manages about 36-40Mh/s even after the Vega-specific optimizations in Claymore 9.8. More than double, yeah rite. F outta here.
 
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The first thought I had when I saw this article was "Did you really have to state this before the damn thing is even out"? I mean shit. I have 2 RX 470's I paid $189 for and now look at the ebay prices. Miners and scalpers are going to have a hay day.
 
Now we know why Ryzen and Vega aren't ass-kicking game performers out of the box....they are very clearly being designed for a different market, playing to different strengths, and they just don't have the heart to tell the gaming community our total combined dollars kinda don't rate compared to this level of potential revenue. Gamers will always be here, but in the meantime they seem to understand the money is in Consoles and now Non-Gaming PC activities like compute-intense mining operations and other crypto-activities.
 
HeadRusch said:
Now we know why Ryzen and Vega aren't ass-kicking game performers out of the box....they are very clearly being designed for a different market, playing to different strengths, and they just don't have the heart to tell the gaming community our total combined dollars kinda don't rate compared to this level of potential revenue. Gamers will always be here, but in the meantime they seem to understand the money is in Consoles and now Non-Gaming PC activities like compute-intense mining operations and other crypto-activities.
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Or a lot of features were disabled in the Frontier Edition.
 
odditory said:
The information (if true, doubtful) would come to light from a hundred other sources before release, so gamers never had a chance anyway. And even if miners weren't a factor, fanboys would pay the gouge pricing for what will undoubtedly by AMD's typically low initial available units.

Anyway, this "70-100 MH/s" performance rumor from "Gibbo at Overclockers UK" is utter nonsense for RX Vega, since Vega FE only manages about 36-40Mh/s even after the Vega-specific optimizations in Claymore 9.8. More than double, yeah rite. F outta here.
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There has been some acknowledgement that the FE drivers were lacking support for some of the Vega features. I wouldn't think this is likely, but hell, nVidia just released that "300% performance" driver for the Titans, so it isn't like we don't have evidence that driver features/optimizations can't get you above and beyond a doubling in performance. I'm don't really care either way since I have a 1080Ti and don't mine, but it will be interesting to watch.
 
Armenius said:
They couldn't have held onto this information until after the cards were released, so gamers at least had a little chance to get their hands on one?
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Maybe this the idea behind those bundled deals they had? Miners don't go for bundled packs.
 
70 to 100 is a MASSIVE range. You can get 70 with Vega FE IF you do the memory optimizations.. but 99% of the world doesnt know how to do this.
 
Look at the bright side. I hope the Vega hash rates do turn out to be 70 to 100. If this happens then the miners will stop buying Nvidia products and buy all AMD products and the Nvidia prices will fall back to normal levels for us gamers.
 
odditory said:
The information (if true, doubtful) would come to light from a hundred other sources before release, so gamers never had a chance anyway. And even if miners weren't a factor, fanboys would pay the gouge pricing for what will be AMD's usually low volume initial shipments.

Anyway, this "70-100 MH/s" performance rumor from "Gibbo at Overclockers UK" is utter nonsense for RX Vega, since Vega FE only manages about 36-40Mh/s even after the Vega-specific optimizations in Claymore 9.8. More than double, yeah rite. F outta here.
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Because there may not be something in the drivers that was holding back performance, oh wait nvidia just pulled that stunt with the Titan


I do hope it's 70-100 though, that will give AMD a large revenue boost allowing more R&D, along with I game and mine, so either way it works for me, even have some Eth sitting idle if Vega is a mining beast so I can grab a card if possible. If I have to wait that's fine, lots of fun games on PS4 until PC gets something half decent.
 
It's simple to get 29 MH/s running a 1070@95W so managing 3x that for 3x the power isn't terribly remarkable. Since there are motherboards that let you run 13 GPUs at a time the 1070 will definitely be cheaper than RX Vega for the same hashrate.
 
Well. Crap.

I'm not shocked, kind of figured it'd be a fantastic mining card given the pedigree. Good for AMD that they'll have a ton of customers, but doesn't do the consumer much good if they never make it off the grey market to bring Nvidia prices down.
 
Baditude said:
Look at the bright side. I hope the Vega hash rates do turn out to be 70 to 100. If this happens then the miners will stop buying Nvidia products and buy all AMD products and the Nvidia prices will fall back to normal levels for us gamers.
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Bet you AMD has a supply issue. ;)
 
Mize said:
It's simple to get 29 MH/s running a 1070@95W so managing 3x that for 3x the power isn't terribly remarkable. Since there are motherboards that let you run 13 GPUs at a time the 1070 will definitely be cheaper than RX Vega for the same hashrate.
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super bad math ^

Those motherboards only let you run 6 or 8 from one vendor due to windows limitations. Linux - no problem.

But why run 13 1070s at 30mhs each, when you can run 13 Vega 56 at 70mhs each and both cards cost $400!!!!!!!

Assuming this rumor is true!?!?
 
Would be interested to see which RX Vega version this is... probably the 64? If it is the 56 that would be fantastic.
 
refraxion said:
Would be interested to see which RX Vega version this is... probably the 64? If it is the 56 that would be fantastic.
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A huge range of 70-100mh/s only makes sense if that accounts for the various SKUs.
 
Maybe it covers the range? 70 for a Vega 56 and 100 for the 64 water-cooled limited?
 
I'm hoping the miners go for one version more than the other (64 or 56) to leave some for gamers, but more likely they'll just take everything.... And I doubt bundles are going to stop any miners..
 
Archaea said:
super bad math ^

Those motherboards only let you run 6 or 8 from one vendor due to windows limitations. Linux - no problem.

But why run 13 1070s at 30mhs each, when you can run 13 Vega 56 at 70mhs each and both cards cost $400!!!!!!!

Assuming this rumor is true!?!?
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Linux FTW. *IF* they're both going to cost $400 it's clearly a no-brainer, but running 13x300W means 32.5 amps so it isn't going to fly on any single household breaker (20 A). Not to mention your A/C bill going through the roof as all that Radeon excess heat (nearly 4 kW) are dumped into one's abode. Sure the big operations will go that way if the results and pricing hold, but I find it a bit hard to believe that a GPU could produce such amazing mining numbers without pushing gaming a bit better than rumors claim.
 
wait a minute wait a minutes... How credible is this? I would think there are any number of entities who have a vested interest in driving up Vega prices/adoption on something like this.

Even if true, why wasn't this detected with the Frontier Edition? What could be so different with the RX variants, especially if they have less VRAM which, I thought could have been important when it came to mining Etherium and whatnot? Could something be enabled on RX that is not on FE? Or has something progressed in drivers or whatnot that will confer these and even bigger bonuses to FE as well as RX once they're accessible?

Lastly, what about efficiency vs heat/power and vs cost? I thought Vega was hugely power hungry/inefficient compared to both Nvidia 10 series and AMD's 400/500 series...so does this potential performance gain make up for/justify all the rest?
 
Xaeos said:
wait a minute wait a minutes... How credible is this? I would think there are any number of entities who have a vested interest in driving up Vega prices/adoption on something like this.

Even if true, why wasn't this detected with the Frontier Edition? What could be so different with the RX variants, especially if they have less VRAM which, I thought could have been important when it came to mining Etherium and whatnot? Could something be enabled on RX that is not on FE? Or has something progressed in drivers or whatnot that will confer these and even bigger bonuses to FE as well as RX once they're accessible?

Lastly, what about efficiency vs heat/power and vs cost? I thought Vega was hugely power hungry/inefficient compared to both Nvidia 10 series and AMD's 400/500 series...so does this potential performance gain make up for/justify all the rest?
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We don't even know if this is true -- so don't get too worked up.
We are being told AMD Vega 56 is a 165 watt TGP.
Only the watercooled Vega 65 has 'outlandish' consumption at ~350 watts. But if it's really cranking out 100MH/s - then it's stronger than 3 stock 1080TIs in mining performance -- and so power use doesn't really matter. (each 1080TI uses about 250 to 260 watts stock voltage at full tilt mining -- but you can undervolt the 1080TI to about 65% power use (165watt) and get 95% of stock mining performance. Of course nobody knows yet if you can undervolt the Vega in the same way?!!? OR EVEN IF THESE NUMBERS ARE TRUE.
 
HeadRusch said:
Now we know why Ryzen and Vega aren't ass-kicking game performers out of the box....they are very clearly being designed for a different market, playing to different strengths, and they just don't have the heart to tell the gaming community our total combined dollars kinda don't rate compared to this level of potential revenue. Gamers will always be here, but in the meantime they seem to understand the money is in Consoles and now Non-Gaming PC activities like compute-intense mining operations and other crypto-activities.
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I know its hard to imagine... people using computers for anything other then playing games right ? :) lol
 
darckhart said:
I'm hoping the miners go for one version more than the other (64 or 56) to leave some for gamers, but more likely they'll just take everything.... And I doubt bundles are going to stop any miners..
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You can sell the bundled items, maybe the miners also set up a e-tailer setup after selling so much bundled stuff, maybe even they get one step closer to the gpu's by doing so LOL
 
To accept this one would then need to believe AMD has made the gaming Vega 2x better at mining than the prosumer compute Vega FE.
Below I link a miner has had the air and watercooled Vega FE now for 2 weeks, last update was yesterday and he managed 36Mh/s on air and 41Mh/s on water model; part of the limitation beyond initial drivers is the fact the air cooled FE is hitting its 300W TBP at 1450MHz (can see in the video this is the ceiling for core clocks achieved in the run) while the water cooled was sustaining around1600Mhz with drops to 1500ihs Mhz, the other point this was run from cold and once the air cooled card gets hot those clocks drop as shown by Toms to 1250MHz.

So how the F... did an AIB manage to get 75+MHz and 2x more performance considering they would be very limited on memory OC due to HBM2 (has very fine limits) and also the core clocks are already hitting their TBP spec 300W as shown in Vega FE reviews where accuratley measured.
The guy in the video has stated it is not just about drivers but also Claymore version, which he has the updated verison of to use with Vega and is very recent; note he does the run with the GPUs from cold (important when considering clocks).



Just to say I can see the figures improving further, but at best IMO would be around 50Mh/s sustained for the watercooled model when pushed.
 
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CSI_PC said:
To accept this one would then need to believe AMD has made the gaming Vega 2x better at mining than the prosumer compute Vega FE.
Below I link a miner has had the air and watercooled Vega FE now for 2 weeks, last update was yesterday and he managed 36Mh/s on air and 41Mh/s on water model; part of the limitation beyond initial drivers is the fact the air cooled FE is hitting its 300W TBP at 1450MHz (can see in the video this is the ceiling for core clocks achieved in the run) while the water cooled was sustaining around1600Mhz with drops to 1500ihs Mhz, the other point this was run from cold and once the air cooled card gets hot those clocks drop as shown by Toms to 1250MHz.

So how the F... did an AIB manage to get 75+MHz and 2x more performance considering they would be very limited on memory OC due to HBM2 (has very fine limits) and also the core clocks are already hitting their TBP spec 300W as shown in Vega FE reviews where accuratley measured.
The guy in the video has stated it is not just about drivers but also Claymore version, which he has the updated verison of to use with Vega and is very recent; note he does the run with the GPUs from cold (important when considering clocks).

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because people will believe whatever they want to believe
 
So we're basing this on the word of Gibbo at OCUK, a guy who is renowned for hyping up products to maximise his employer's sales (and therefore his own pay packet).

Seems legit.
 
My 780 Ti died recently. Was looking around, and I can't believe these prices. Even the Pascal cards are selling for ridiculous prices. It sucks. :mad:
 
darckhart said:
I'm hoping the miners go for one version more than the other (64 or 56) to leave some for gamers, but more likely they'll just take everything.... And I doubt bundles are going to stop any miners..
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Not only are the bundles not going to stop the miners I think they will actually prefer them. They are already investing money into a venture, they might as well go ahead and buy the bundle then sell all of the bundled items on Ebay. That will bring the cost of the card down for them. They can easy get 250-300 dollars off the cost of the card by selling the bundled items ; That they bought at a steep discount.
 
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