NCASE M1: a crowdfunded Mini-ITX case (updates in first post)

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rfarmer looks like one of your ram sinks fell off in those pictures. Also, the Accelero is much larger and supports full size 120mm fans, probably a much better route to go- I see low low 60C loads.
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Yeah it did, I didn't notice until I had taken the picture. It has been fixed.
 
Okay guys bear with me here, I always have a hard time not posting scatter brained and all over the place, so I am going to give some information first then give a few numbered questions.

I am currently running a fairly packed ncase m1 v1, still loving the case more every day. It is unreal just how beautiful this case is.
CPU: 4770k i7
Ram: ballistix tactical low pro 8gbx2 (16gb)
Ssd1: crucial m500 msata 480gb
Ssd2: samsung 850 pro 256gb
Hdd: samsung spinpoint m9t 2tb
Psu: silverstone sfx 600g
Cooler: corsair h100i
Gpu: asus strix 980
Monitor1: samsung 32 wqhd
Monitor2: dell 24 IPS
Monitor3: dell 22 IPS (vertical)

1. Wanting/needing to upgrade my gpu, I am having trouble with games. I think this is due to having the 3 screens I have. When In try to play borderlands 2, no matter what settings I have it at I am not getting past 18fps. I game on the 32. I feel like maybe the 980 doesnt have enough power or vram to push it. I am not really sure. I have been thinking just buy once and cry once with the 1080 ti. Not sure on the model that would be best for my setup
2. Should I look at upgrading the 256gb ssd to a 1tb to serve as my games drive for the rest of time
3. I seem to be having issues with streaming video getting unsynced slowly, like netflix, directvnow, crunchyroll, and more the audio not matching up with mouth movements. I have not noticed it with playback of video off my computer.
4. Is it worth looking into the newer revisions of the m1? are they that much different?
5. Should I look at going to air cooled instead of the aio h100i?
 
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Okay guys bear with me here, I always have a hard time not posting scatter brained and all over the place, so I am going to give some information first then give a few numbered questions.

I am currently running a fairly packed ncase m1 v1, still loving the case more every day. It is unreal just how beautiful this case is.
CPU: 4770k i7
Ram: ballistix tactical low pro 8gbx2 (16gb)
Ssd1: crucial m500 msata 480gb
Ssd2: samsung 850 pro 256gb
Hdd: samsung spinpoint m9t 2tb
Psu: silverstone sfx 600g
Cooler: corsair h100i
Gpu: asus strix 980
Monitor1: samsung 32 wqhd
Monitor2: dell 24 IPS
Monitor3: dell 22 IPS (vertical)

1. Wanting/needing to upgrade my gpu, I am having trouble with games. I think this is due to having the 3 screens I have. When In try to play borderlands 2, no matter what settings I have it at I am not getting past 18fps. I game on the 32. I feel like maybe the 980 doesnt have enough power or vram to push it. I am not really sure. I have been thinking just buy once and cry once with the 1080 ti. Not sure on the model that would be best for my setup
2. Should I look at upgrading the 256gb ssd to a 1tb to serve as my games drive for the rest of time
3. I seem to be having issues with streaming video getting unsynced slowly, like netflix, directvnow, crunchyroll, and more the audio not matching up with mouth movements. I have not noticed it with playback of video off my computer.
4. Is it worth looking into the newer revisions of the m1? are they that much different?
5. Should I look at going to air cooled instead of the aio h100i?
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Ok I will start in reverse order and answer what I can.
5. Unless the pump or fan noise bothers you I would stick with the h100i, you will be hard pressed to find an air cooler that will fit in the Ncase that will match it.
4. Version changes have been minor. Steel fan bracket so you can use magnetic fan filter, moved the SFX PSU mount up a bit for better SFX-L support. The magnetic fan filter is nice, unless you really want that I think I would just stick with what you have.
3. Sorry this one I can't help with.
2. I invested in a 960GB SSD for my gaming drive, one of the best investments I made.
1. I upgraded from a GTX 970 to a GTX 1070 because I am running 3 X 24" monitors. The 1070 handles most, but not all, games at high settings. The 1080 would probably work very well, or spend the big bucks and get the Ti which would handle it for sure. RX Vega is also getting ready to drop and early leaks put it very close to the 1080, so that is another option depending on the price they can bring it in at.
 
I ordered my ncase m1 and it expected to ship in 08/03/17
at the same time, I want to order the build components,
The cooler I choose is larger than the motherboard in the right side by 6mm
I want to know how much is the space between the motherboard and the PSU and whether its greater than 6mm so I know that the cooler would fit assuming other orientations is not possible.
could anyone please help me with that?
Thank you very much in advance.
 
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I ordered my ncase m1 and it expected to ship in 08/03/17
at the same time, I want to order the build components,
The cooler I choose is larger than the motherboard in the right side by 6mm
I want to know how much is the space between the motherboard and the PSU and whether its greater than 6mm so I know that the cooler would fit assuming other orientations is not possible.
could anyone please help me with that?
Thank you very much in advance.
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There's really only about a few mm (6 or less) between the motherboard and PSU. If the heatsink crosses beyond the motherboard, the fine would likely be high enough to clear the ram, and probably the PSU. Which CPU cooler are you looking at?
 
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There's really only about a few mm (6 or less) between the motherboard and PSU. If the heatsink crosses beyond the motherboard, the fine would likely be high enough to clear the ram, and probably the PSU. Which CPU cooler are you looking at?
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It's the silverstone NT06-PRO V2, I want to try to fit it with the new AM4 motherboard the Asrock X370 Fatal1ty gaming itx/ac

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according to their website,
it measures 91mm from the middle of the CPU socket, and since the CPU socket is in the middle of the mobo this mean it will be longer than the motherboard by 6mm (170/2=85mm, 91-85=6mm)
the cooler also has 52mm ram clearance (without the bottom fan and 32 with it) so I think your right and it still be higher than the PSU, I read that SFX PSU height is 64mm so I assumed it wouldn't be higher but forget that it would be lower than the motherboard.
I chose this cooler since it supports AM4 motherboard without the need of purchasing a separate bracket and I think the 130 watts of this cooler is enough to cool down the ryzen 1700x processor.
Thank you very much for the reply.
 
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It's the silverstone NT06-PRO V2, I want to try to fit it with the new AM4 motherboard the Asrock X370 Fatal1ty gaming itx/ac

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according to their website,
it measures 91mm from the middle of the CPU socket, and since the CPU socket is in the middle of the mobo this mean it will be longer than the motherboard by 6mm (170/2=85mm, 91-85=6mm)
the cooler also has 52mm ram clearance (without the bottom fan and 32 with it) so I think your right and it still be higher than the PSU, I read that SFX PSU height is 64mm so I assumed it wouldn't be higher but forget that it would be lower than the motherboard.
I chose this cooler since it supports AM4 motherboard without the need of purchasing a separate bracket and I think the 130 watts of this cooler is enough to cool down the ryzen 1700x processor.
Thank you very much for the reply.
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The only input from the NCase M1 community spreadsheet was that the cooler is compatible with the EVGA Z170 Stinger. Just need to watch for ram clearance.
 
icc0rz said:
I think that the Hybrid kit offers good performance but is a bit pricey + that you get than pump humming noise when your computer is idle – but I guess that's a personal preference kind of thing. I feel it's a bit of an overkill for the 1070 – but the installation is easier than the Accelero.
Regarding, the Accelero IV the backplate usually spells trouble in the M1 unless you're willing to adapt it. It will not be compatible with SFX-L PSUs and it will hit the audio output thingy if you install it per the instructions. Get the Accelero III if you can or buy the IV + a good bunch of <=10mm heatsinks + thermaltape and a good thermal paste.
The Accelero offers superb cooling with minimal noise. I would recommend using a couple of 120s as exhaust, preferably high pressure – I'm currently using two ML120 to keep my 1080Ti below 70C.
Here's some photos of my adapted/grind/cut down backplate: http://imgur.com/a/13nsI
http://imgur.com/xjUyTWi

Also, I find that feet that are a little higher(like these https://mnpctech.com/ncase-m1-mods/ncase-m1-black-silver-replace-feet/ ) improve on the overall airflow and noise.
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Hello,

Thank for all your informations ! that's exactly what i needed :)
 
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I think this is why I switched over to air cooling, I can never leave things alone and it is much easier to change out parts when not watercooling.

I had a chance earlier this month to sell my GTX 1070 for what I paid for it last Aug, so went ahead and sold it. My plan was to pick up a RX Vega when they came available if the price and performance looked reasonable. Right now price looks decent just hope the performance matches. Big question will be how long is it going to take to actually get my hands on one.

In the mean time I picked up a GTX 980 locally for $250, not a half bad card actually, figure I ought to be able to get my money back when I am done.
 
Just got my new feet in the mail, more than doubled the clearance to the ground. The improved airflow definitely helped temps out by a couple degrees.

Pic attached :)
 

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It's big. :) It also cools really well and is quiet.
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Was the cooler pushing down on the card here? It could be natural sag from the weight of the Accelero, but it looks like the fan of the cooler is pushing it down :p.

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I think this is why I switched over to air cooling, I can never leave things alone and it is much easier to change out parts when not watercooling.

I had a chance earlier this month to sell my GTX 1070 for what I paid for it last Aug, so went ahead and sold it. My plan was to pick up a RX Vega when they came available if the price and performance looked reasonable. Right now price looks decent just hope the performance matches. Big question will be how long is it going to take to actually get my hands on one.

In the mean time I picked up a GTX 980 locally for $250, not a half bad card actually, figure I ought to be able to get my money back when I am done.
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Man it looks like I could keep my AIO GPU around with that cooler if it happens to fit the Z270i. I have a suspicion it will cool better than the H75, too.
 
p3z said:
Was the cooler pushing down on the card here? It could be natural sag from the weight of the Accelero, but it looks like the fan of the cooler is pushing it down :p.



Man it looks like I could keep my AIO GPU around with that cooler if it happens to fit the Z270i. I have a suspicion it will cool better than the H75, too.
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No it was actually the PSU cables causing the sag.
 
rfarmer said:
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I think this is why I switched over to air cooling, I can never leave things alone and it is much easier to change out parts when not watercooling.

I had a chance earlier this month to sell my GTX 1070 for what I paid for it last Aug, so went ahead and sold it. My plan was to pick up a RX Vega when they came available if the price and performance looked reasonable. Right now price looks decent just hope the performance matches. Big question will be how long is it going to take to actually get my hands on one.

In the mean time I picked up a GTX 980 locally for $250, not a half bad card actually, figure I ought to be able to get my money back when I am done.
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I have the same problem, and yes it take quite a few more hours just to tinker with a custom loop.
 
Did anyone who has a Z270I and a Corsair SF450/600 order from cablemod? I'd like to know what lengths I should order.
 
Hi everyone, I'm about to update my M1 ncase with new parts. Was wondering if any of you guys think this might fit well all together ?

Titian xp
I7 770k
Samsung 960 pro 1 tb
Asus rog strix z270i gaming
G.Skill Trident Z RGB - DDR4 F4-4266C19D-16GTZR
Corsair sf600
Noctua NH US9

It's Mainly used for gaming in 2d and 3d(oculus)
 
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Tax time is here! :whistle:

With that in mind, I'll be embarking on the last big revision for my build.
Anything further on from this and I'll probably make my own case. Needless to say this is far far off...

On my do to list:
- Re-do all the cabling
- Switch from soft to hard tubing
- Switch over to Noctua fans with some painting
- Install an aquaero, usb hub, maybe a vision display for kicks

Can anyone chime in with some badass cable management?
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Chapeau said:
Tax time is here! :whistle:

With that in mind, I'll be embarking on the last big revision for my build.
Anything further on from this and I'll probably make my own case. Needless to say this is far far off...

On my do to list:
- Re-do all the cabling
- Switch from soft to hard tubing
- Switch over to Noctua fans with some painting
- Install an aquaero, usb hub, maybe a vision display for kicks

Can anyone chime in with some badass cable management?
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I might be selling my hardline tubes and WC hardware if that interests you. What motherboard are you using?
 
exhale said:
I might be selling my hardline tubes and WC hardware if that interests you. What motherboard are you using?
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Let keep that private so we don't clutter up the thread. PM me...
- Fair warning though. Looking at your build, I'm not sure there's anything I can use.
 
rfarmer said:
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I think this is why I switched over to air cooling, I can never leave things alone and it is much easier to change out parts when not watercooling.

I had a chance earlier this month to sell my GTX 1070 for what I paid for it last Aug, so went ahead and sold it. My plan was to pick up a RX Vega when they came available if the price and performance looked reasonable. Right now price looks decent just hope the performance matches. Big question will be how long is it going to take to actually get my hands on one.

In the mean time I picked up a GTX 980 locally for $250, not a half bad card actually, figure I ought to be able to get my money back when I am done.
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They go on sale in 2 weeks wasn't it? Assuming the miners don't suck the supply dry. Look for pre ordering if possible to lock in. That's for the stock GPUs. What I havent seen yet is what the non stock models will do and how they will look. I assume better performance than stock though.
 
Skott said:
They go on sale in 2 weeks wasn't it? Assuming the miners don't suck the supply dry. Look for pre ordering if possible to lock in. That's for the stock GPUs. What I havent seen yet is what the non stock models will do and how they will look. I assume better performance than stock though.
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They say AMD is actually delaying the launch in order to make sure they have adequate supplies when they go on sale, AMD is afraid of the miners grabbing them up. Yeah the different vendor cards should release soon and they usually have higher clock speeds on many of them.
 
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So I finally have all my parts. Got the GPU today and installed the heat killer 4 waterblock on it - it's sexy! Problem though - the 90 degree fittings I got (swiftechs) are reeeeeeaaaally tight they don't leave me much room for the radiator. I have to angle it to get it in and then it barely fits above the fittings. Any thoughts on switching the fittings from the top mounting holes to the bottom and running the tubing underneath and around the end of the card up to the radiator? I'm debating on adding a T fitting instead of the 90 degree if I do that, so that I can add in a checkflow valve with a cap and use that as a drain when I need to clean the system out.
 
NorCalAthlete said:
So I finally have all my parts. Got the GPU today and installed the heat killer 4 waterblock on it - it's sexy! Problem though - the 90 degree fittings I got (swiftechs) are reeeeeeaaaally tight they don't leave me much room for the radiator. I have to angle it to get it in and then it barely fits above the fittings. Any thoughts on switching the fittings from the top mounting holes to the bottom and running the tubing underneath and around the end of the card up to the radiator? I'm debating on adding a T fitting instead of the 90 degree if I do that, so that I can add in a checkflow valve with a cap and use that as a drain when I need to clean the system out.
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No issues with running your 90's on the bottom of the terminal. Plenty of room there and actually the tubing runs will be quite smooth.
- Are you using the FrozenQ reservoir?
- I've tried having a drain at various points in the loop and nothing beats the external res. You're flipping and turning the case to really help it drain anyway so it's a perfect execution. Otherwise, I'd recommend somewhere easy to access with plenty of room so you can screw a plug in there or a drain tube.

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Sazexa has his top and bottom from the terminal, but there's plenty of room for both down there. Even if you run the farthest tubing run under your GPU towards the front of the case before coming up to meet the radiator.
 
NorCalAthlete said:
So I finally have all my parts. Got the GPU today and installed the heat killer 4 waterblock on it - it's sexy! Problem though - the 90 degree fittings I got (swiftechs) are reeeeeeaaaally tight they don't leave me much room for the radiator. I have to angle it to get it in and then it barely fits above the fittings. Any thoughts on switching the fittings from the top mounting holes to the bottom and running the tubing underneath and around the end of the card up to the radiator? I'm debating on adding a T fitting instead of the 90 degree if I do that, so that I can add in a checkflow valve with a cap and use that as a drain when I need to clean the system out.
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I had the same issue with my Aquacomputer block, it totally blocked the radiator if I used the top ports. They wok fine using the bottom ones.
 
Skott said:
They go on sale in 2 weeks wasn't it? Assuming the miners don't suck the supply dry. Look for pre ordering if possible to lock in. That's for the stock GPUs. What I havent seen yet is what the non stock models will do and how they will look. I assume better performance than stock though.
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https://www.overclock3d.net/news/gp...vels_of_mining_performance_on_amd_s_rx_vega/1 Well this is bad news, apparently RX Vega are insanely good mining cards, so you know they will be going quick.
 
rfarmer said:
Some guy in the comments tried to say a Cooler Master 130 is superior to the M1, I almost commented and said yeah except the M1 is about a 10 times nicer case.
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Jesus, seriously? Lol, there's cooling capabilities the M1 has configured properly that the 130 can't touch. Looking 100x better is just a bonus.
 
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Cheaper and better support for ATX, the 130 is truthfully one of the worst designed cases I have seen. Looking at the 130 owner's club on OC Net it has some serious cooling problems, plus very limited options for fan and cooler support.
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At roughly the same size, the Fractal Design Core 500 > CM 130 IMO in all aspects. Ncase M1 is obviously better than both :p.
 
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Lol wtf? I almost lost my cookies when he said it maybe didn't run 3200Mhz ram because of all the components crammed in there causing interference. The YouTube channel name fits.
 
You gotta wrap the upper half of the RAM sticks with heavy duty aluminium foil to block the interference...!

Also, he talks about ease of use to place a M.2 drive on the location at the rear of the motherboard; yet one can clearly see that the screw is slightly covered by the chassis, so I seriously doubt one could get the screw out or mount the SSD or secure it again without removing the motherboard or the occluding bit of chassis section...?

And why the velcro mount for the 3.5" HDD, when the chassis comes with a bracket for 3.5" HDDs...?!?
 
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