Video of RX Vega at PDXLAN

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Elmy

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Here is a quick video of the AMD Radeon team demo of RX Vega against a comparable competitors GPU.

Let me know what you think. They will tell us this afternoon which is which. I will post back here that info.

Elmy

 
Hmmm.... I wonder if the equivalent is a 1080, or it could be a 1080Ti with the Ti getting higher framerates but they'll say "you can't even really tell".
 
It was the one on the right. The left looked a little better because it was an IPS panel. The one on the right was a VA panel. Both were 100Hz 3440X1440 monitors. At first glance I thought the left but after playing on them I guessed the right.
 
Elmy said:
They did not say what the Nvidia card was.
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Most likely because it was a 1070. If it were a 1080 they wouldn't need to resort to this smoke and mirrors crap.

Poor AMD, behind Nvidia by two generations now.
 
They brought Vega FE demo PCs to PDXLan. How do we even know this is Vega RX and not Vega FE? And wtf is the point of a blind comparison when you don't know what either card is?!? They could get the same affect just running two identical PCs and telling people they are different.
 
Ocellaris said:
They brought Vega FE demo PCs to PDXLan. How do we even know this is Vega RX and not Vega FE? And wtf is the point of a blind comparison when you don't know what either card is?!? They could get the same affect just running two identical PCs and telling people they are different.
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That's exactly it. If they did a blind test and THEN revealed that one was a Vega Rx, and the other was a 1080, it would make more sense. But now they just did the test and f***ked off without letting anyone know what is competing with what.
 
So if i get this right....

Amd earlier in the year were showing off Vega playing doom, showing frame rates and even showing the engineering card.

Fast forward several months later they're now showing bf1,.not showing frame rates, not showing the card, and not showing what its up against, in some kind of dipshit version of the "pepsi challenge" which will be forgotten about quite quick as price and reviews will ultimately dictate this cards fate, and not some vague "demo" that a minute fraction of people will have experienced first hand compared to people who will read\watch reviews.

Could these tools be any more vague? Yes i get the whole nda thing but its getting farcical at this point. Whats the card look like? Uhh, nda, Whats the card up against in this demo? Uhh nda. Does the card come in a cardboard box? Uhh nda. Fuck off. :rolleyes:

You would think they would have the sense to throw people a bone and show the card instead of this cock tease bullshit they've been doing since early this year.

At this point they better have a hell of a card on their hands or they're the masters of jerklng people off and stopping just before the happy ending.
 
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Did they, though? Do we know which card they were comparing against? Do we know which one was the Vega PC?
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No, not at all. But unfortunately the deliberate obfuscation of both test cases says a lot about RTG's confidence in their product versus the competition's entire lineup.

They set out to make a point: that the DIFFERENCE in gaming experience between the two cards is LARGELY unnoticeable, with no obvious victory, the experience is similar.
We can simply assume that since they cannot prove superiority in performance, another metric must be good enough to warrant consumer purchase of their product versus the competition.

Leaks have stated that this metric will not be power consumption, and therefore noise... So we are left with price. Anyone in their right mind would agree that AMD cannot show superiority in performance (or they would) so they will undercut to remain relevant.

History with Polaris has shown the exact same pattern. And we all know the outcome of Polaris vs all of Nvidia's lineup at the time.

A further assumption of mine, is that this deliberate scenario, with vague and comparative-centric performance data... For months, and months... and months... and months... Is an attempt to re-whet the appetite of potential GPU buyers, while they program the hell out of every damn corner of their drivers, (and optimize silicon for every damn mhz possible, with sufficient yield to ensure SOMEWHAT of a launch) to form this competition. This leads me to believe that RXV simply cannot be the landslide that Ryzen was, and will fail to either the 1080 or 1080Ti, being salvaged only by cost, at the expense of everything else.

So... no, we don't really know... But we know.

And it's a shame. I need a low power solution for at least 1440p for a new mITX rig. I've been an AMD guy (Canadian) since we had ATI (with the exception of the G80s) but for relative performance to watt, Intel and Nvidia are still key, and I'm not spending that sort of cash right now.
 
Arcygenical said:
No, not at all. But unfortunately the deliberate obfuscation of both test cases says a lot about RTG's confidence in their product versus the competition's entire lineup.

They set out to make a point: that the DIFFERENCE in gaming experience between the two cards is LARGELY unnoticeable, with no obvious victory, the experience is similar.
We can simply assume that since they cannot prove superiority in performance, another metric must be good enough to warrant consumer purchase of their product versus the competition.

Leaks have stated that this metric will not be power consumption, and therefore noise... So we are left with price. Anyone in their right mind would agree that AMD cannot show superiority in performance (or they would) so they will undercut to remain relevant.

History with Polaris has shown the exact same pattern. And we all know the outcome of Polaris vs all of Nvidia's lineup at the time.

A further assumption of mine, is that this deliberate scenario, with vague and comparative-centric performance data... For months, and months... and months... and months... Is an attempt to re-whet the appetite of potential GPU buyers, while they program the hell out of every damn corner of their drivers, (and optimize silicon for every damn mhz possible, with sufficient yield to ensure SOMEWHAT of a launch) to form this competition. This leads me to believe that RXV simply cannot be the landslide that Ryzen was, and will fail to either the 1080 or 1080Ti, being salvaged only by cost, at the expense of everything else.

So... no, we don't really know... But we know.

And it's a shame. I need a low power solution for at least 1440p for a new mITX rig. I've been an AMD guy (Canadian) since we had ATI (with the exception of the G80s) but for relative performance to watt, Intel and Nvidia are still key, and I'm not spending that sort of cash right now.
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Agree with everything. But on CPU side Ryzen is damn good per/watt and matches intel if not better. Everything else true. you can tell where where amd spent the money and it was clearly the CPU side.
 
What I don't get about this whole thing is where they were going with it. If they do a big reveal and go "80% of gamers picked the PC on the right with unknown settings" they look stupid for having done this in the first place.

New Vega marketing slogan: "You can't even tell the difference!" So confidence inspiring.
 
Y'all need to understand marketing research here. This is not a demo to convince you of sonething.

This demo was a corporate exam. They wanted to gauge if people could truly tell a difference between two systems. The other guy and AMDs.

Based on the no of positive assessments by customers whom gravitate to the AMD powered machine will help them determine the way they want to advertise and the price to value gamble as well as the exact direct competitor GPU. You guys would have no idea if during a break period they switched out a 1070 to a 1080 or even a 1080ti but left the Vega in thier other machine. Then again gauged the assessments of customers.

I have a biology degree and a minor in physics and another in mathematics... hardly a marketing qualified person here but even I can see this.

AMD is either very intelligent or very dumb and we will know soon enough. Based on the results of Zen CPU they certainly had a major victory with that arch. Vega is not the same thing. I think too many people expect Vega to obliterate 1080ti but it was never even marketed as such to begin with.

Anyways lol I'm not waiting on Vega. Tomorrow I am ordering an Asus 1080ti Poseidon or however it is spelled.
 
Well let's see, one has a red keyboard... And the other green... Sherlock Holmes is on the case.
 
The point is meant to be, with freesync or gsync, the play experience is going to be pretty much identical.

Doesn't matter if one System gets 100fps and the other gets 75fps.

Freesync or gsync makes the experience very smooth as long as the frame rate is in sync range.


Once they make that point, they can then market that one system is ~$500 cheaper than the other --- and the performance delta was impercievable to gamers.
 
Elmy said:
It was the one on the right. The left looked a little better because it was an IPS panel. The one on the right was a VA panel. Both were 100Hz 3440X1440 monitors. At first glance I thought the left but after playing on them I guessed the right.
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The differing panel types is really shifty. You can't do a blind test unless everything else is identical.
 
I would say the better color monitor was the AMD system. If the case then the blind test is a fail. People would notice the better color monitor and probably vote for that one.
 
I would bet money that its competing against a 1070, and will debut at 400-450 price point.
 
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