Facial Recognition Coming to Police Body Cameras

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Motorola is working with artificial intelligence company Neurala to develop intelligent cameras for public safety users: in the future, such devices will allow police officers to more efficiently search for objects or persons of interest, such as missing children and suspects. Neurala’s image recognition and machine learning technology, which mimics mammalian brains with “neuromorphic computation,” is reportedly as powerful as something you would expect from a large computer but scalable to cameras and other smaller devices.

Eventually, you get to the point where a computer the size of a body camera can recognize an image that camera has been told to look for, or at least do a lot more of the “learning” required to make the match. “This can unlock new applications for public safety users. In the case of a missing child, imagine if the parent showed the child’s photo to a nearby police officer on patrol. The officer’s body-worn camera sees the photo, the AI engine ‘learns’ what the child looks like and deploys an engine to the body-worn cameras of nearby officers, quickly creating a team searching for the child,” Motorola Solutions Chief Technology Officer Paul Steinberg said in a press release.
 
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I may not be one of the ones who line up for conspiracy theories or other such, but this seems like a clear cut item that would lead towards the race to make 1984 accurate... and I would wish people would begin to actually think about consequences before they build stuff like this. I remember a short story where there was a technology that allowed people to "view the past", and it was a highly classified government controlled item and some civilian "released" schematics to the web for everyone to be able to make such an item. The government people came in, said "Well, good job, you just removed privacy for everyone, I hope you are happy." and walked away allowing the person to sit there and begin to think about what he had just released into the world... This is almost exactly along those lines.

Wasn't there a movie about a girl who began sharing everything in her life and realized it was too much over time? This seems tied into such a technology. This is exactly what every controlling person or stalker wants... "Where is this person RIGHT NOW?" And we ALL know it would be hacked into being such a tool... Smart people can be so stupid.

/corrected a word or 2...
 
I dont understand the hate, we as civilians/consumers could probably build a kit to do the same thing to face match off facebook, instagram, etc etc for information.
they'll just be using it for gov attained information on us, and maybe some social media.
 
It's funny because BLM is now asking that the police stop wearing body cameras. Careful what you wish for.
 
I may not be one of the ones who line up for conspiracy theories or other such, but this seems like a clear cut item that would lead towards the race to make 1984 accurate... and I would wish people would begin to actually think about consequences before they build stuff like this. I remember a short story where there was a technology that allowed people to "view the past", and it was a highly classified government controlled item and some civilian "released" schematics to the web for everyone to be able to make such an item. The government people came in, said "Well, good job, you just removed privacy for everyone, I hope you are happy." and walked away allowing the person to sit there and begin to think about what he had just released into the world... This is almost exactly along those lines.

Wasn't there a movie about a girl who began sharing everything in her life and realized it was too much over time? This seems tied into such a technology. This is exactly what every controlling person or stalker wants... "Where is this person RIGHT NOW?" And we ALL know it would be hacked into being such a tool... Smart people can be so stupid.

/corrected a word or 2...
Technically the cats already out of the bag:
https://www.theguardian.com/technol...ecognition-app-end-public-anonymity-vkontakte
Meet findface, a social media app that's popular in russia that allows people to use their smart phone to apply real time facial recognition and scan social media for matching pictures.
You combine that with google glass and knowing who you see on the street becomes a lot more clear cut.
 
Time to develop makeup that is invisible to the human eye, but fucks up camera images.......
 
Technically the cats already out of the bag:
https://www.theguardian.com/technol...ecognition-app-end-public-anonymity-vkontakte
Meet findface, a social media app that's popular in russia that allows people to use their smart phone to apply real time facial recognition and scan social media for matching pictures.
You combine that with google glass and knowing who you see on the street becomes a lot more clear cut.

That would make those awkward: "Hey I know you [But I don't really know your name, or where I remember you from, or how drunk you/I was at the time]! How's it going?!" talks.
 
...In the case of a missing child, imagine if the parent showed the child’s photo to a nearby police officer on patrol. The officer’s body-worn camera sees the photo, the AI engine ‘learns’ what the child looks like and deploys an engine to the body-worn cameras of nearby officers, quickly creating a team searching for the child,” Motorola Solutions Chief Technology Officer Paul Steinberg said in a press release.

It's about the children, see...
 
With all the lawsuits surrounding facial recognition in airports... I'm not sure how this comes to be without some serious gov intervention.
 
With all the lawsuits surrounding facial recognition in airports... I'm not sure how this comes to be without some serious gov intervention.

Not sure what lawsuits you are talking about unless it's just the few that are challenging the use of facial recognition as a privacy issue.
 
Body cameras for cops are awesome for everyone, especially the cops. But this I'm not comfortable with. I think this is where I would draw the line on acceptable monitoring of public.

Just think, it's so easy to mark someone a terrorist in the USA. Piss off the wrong politician and the next cop body camera that passes you by lands you in jail. No day in court, no collecting $200, just straight to Guantanamo Bay where your citizenship means zero.

You think I'm joking? Shit very much like this is already happening.
 
Yeah I see nothing but bad from this technology, it's too easy to be used to target political opposition parties. It's honestly one of the greatest threats to democracy, IMO.
 
Time to develop makeup that is invisible to the human eye, but fucks up camera images.......
I'll give you one better real time touch up of certain celebrities and figures while real-time distortion of others. Basically News, so-called, removing wrinkles on one candidate while accentuating them on their opponent in real-time feeds in a debate. Whether we like it or not, everyone is a little superficial and judge people by appearance. The "news" media probably will have the technology to pretty up one person while making another person look bad or slightly sickly or older. I have no doubts they will do it. The only question is when will they start if they haven't already. Digital makeup, I guess would be the term for it if there is one. Just like you can makeup one person you can makedown another. Then human shallowness takes over from there.
 
So because some people are assholes it excuses inexcusable behavior by the police? Just sayin' :rolleyes:

No, I'm saying that the percentage of assholes compared to police misconduct caught by a body camera is something in the neighborhood of 99.999% asshole to 0.001% misconduct. The notion that body cameras are going to solve police misconduct is irony because all it is going to do is prejudice a jury against the accused. Show them the asshole on video and the cops win. The NYPD was already sued for using body cameras.
 
This has to be the most politically charged tech site I've ever encountered. This place is a fucking swamp.
 
Technically the cats already out of the bag:
https://www.theguardian.com/technol...ecognition-app-end-public-anonymity-vkontakte
Meet findface, a social media app that's popular in russia that allows people to use their smart phone to apply real time facial recognition and scan social media for matching pictures.
You combine that with google glass and knowing who you see on the street becomes a lot more clear cut.


Like the glasses in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_Light by William Gibson.
 
No, I'm saying that the percentage of assholes compared to police misconduct caught by a body camera is something in the neighborhood of 99.999% asshole to 0.001% misconduct. The notion that body cameras are going to solve police misconduct is irony because all it is going to do is prejudice a jury against the accused. Show them the asshole on video and the cops win. The NYPD was already sued for using body cameras.
Those sound like some legit figures there. :eek:
 
Those sound like some legit figures there. :eek:

Ok...I'll bite. Using DOJ statistics...

2011 - 62.9 million interactions with police; 9900 complaints = .01% 1 out of 10,000 interactions was a complaint. Hardly a national problem.
 
Lets face it...cheaper to payoff than litigate even if the police officer is 100% justified.

But don't worry...you can ignore the DOJ as presented earlier (facts from a far more liberal DOJ under Holder and Lynch) and continue with your cop bashing.
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...t-will-track-police-killings-and-use-of-force
I never bashed cops I suggested originally I hope they turn on the camera as a tongue in cheek joke. The problem with your assertion is there has been no uniform way of gathering this info.
What you've provided is a self reporting. Those aren't the stats you think they are. They are just now getting together an actual system to track these events at the federal level.

Also just for reference it doesn't really matter how often it works when it takes bad people off the street. That can be Shia who was acting like a turd or these guys. It works both ways, and cops should embrace it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Jeremy_Mardis
 
I may not be one of the ones who line up for conspiracy theories or other such, but this seems like a clear cut item that would lead towards the race to make 1984 accurate... and I would wish people would begin to actually think about consequences before they build stuff like this.
The thing is this technology is not new. It's been around for more than 10 years. I used to work for a very prominent casino in Nevada, which will remain nameless for obvious reasons, but you have most definitely heard of it. I worked as a bartender there, but my best friend was in security. Security was tight there, especially regarding surveillance. Nobody was allowed in the surveillance room except security personnel. No one was supposed to even talk about what methods they used or what tech they had. Of course, being my best friend, he told me pretty much everything, especially after we got off work, started tossing a few back, and talking shop.

One night he tells me all about this "Awesome new surveillance software" they just started using. He knew i was into the tech stuff so he told me in detail what this software could do.

At its core, it was facial recognition software, but it had features that actually allowed it to track a person from camera to camera as they moved through the casino without any human intervention at all. It was 100% accurate at off peak hours, but when the casino was packed it had a bit of trouble tracking through large groups. When they first started using it, the only faces in its database were certain employees that they used to test it, but over time they added people who had been banned, people they suspected of creating, terminated employees, and others.

I looked into what he told me and could find no such software anywhere, so I figured he was bullsh**ing me, and I told him as much. He swore he wasn't lying and I believed him. I knew him well enough to know he wouldn't swear unless it was true. Despite that, one night we were drinking some beers at my house celebrating that he got promoted to surveillance, which for about a year he had been bucking for. After a few beers, he said he had something for me. We'd had a few beers, but he got all sober and made me swear not to say a word to anyone, which of course I did. So he goes over to my computer and puts a CD ROM in the drive.

The disc only had one file on it, a video. He opens it up and there I am behind my bar. I see a cursor move onto my face and a white box appears around my head. Above the box I see letters start to appear, "Hi ***hole." The box turns green and stays put around my head no matter where I moved. The "Hi A-hole" label remained too.

He fast forwarded it to when I went on my break. The green box stayed on my head until I went behind the bar and out of view. the square turned red and stayed in the last spot I was on camera. After about a second, the camera view switch to the hallway behind the bar and the red square snapped to my head and turned green again. The cameras followed me all the way to the restroom. When I went into the restroom the square turned red and just sat there. When I came back out, it snapped to my face and followed me again.

Fascinated, I watched the video for about an hour. The only time the system lost me was when I went on the employee elevator which didn't have a camera, but since the elevator only moved between two floors, my buddy knew where I was getting out and manually switched to the hallway camera there. When I got out, I turned away from the camera and the red square didn't track me since it couldn't see my face. The cursor moved to my body and the red square zipped around my head but remained red. I rounded a corner and just like before the red square stopped where I was last. A second later the cafeteria camera picked me up with a full on face shot and the red square snapped to my head and turned green again. "Hi ***hole."

Take my story for what you will. Believe me or not I don't care, but I'm telling you big brother is already here and has been for some time. The surveillance tech they have now is way more sophisticated than what this article talks about. Now whether the software my buddy used was engineered in-house by ******** IT department, or outsourced, I cannot say, but it most definitely could track multiple subjects in real time and from camera to camera.
 
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Body cameras for cops are awesome for everyone, especially the cops. But this I'm not comfortable with. I think this is where I would draw the line on acceptable monitoring of public.

Just think, it's so easy to mark someone a terrorist in the USA. Piss off the wrong politician and the next cop body camera that passes you by lands you in jail. No day in court, no collecting $200, just straight to Guantanamo Bay where your citizenship means zero.

You think I'm joking? Shit very much like this is already happening.


Wait, they can't just go to your house or track you down by cell phone and stingray as it is? It'll be much more dangerous with facial recognition by body cam?

And actually I doubt what you suggest very much. You say "shit very much like this is already happening", what shit?
 
In response and to be fair to our rights, citizens should be allowed to obscure their faces in public. Hiding alone should not be a crime.
 
The thing is this technology is not new. It's been around for more than 10 years. I used to work for a very prominent casino in Nevada, which will remain nameless for obvious reasons, but you have most definitely heard of it. I worked as a bartender there, but my best friend was in security. Security was tight there, especially regarding surveillance. Nobody was allowed in the surveillance room except security personnel. No one was supposed to even talk about what methods they used or what tech they had. Of course, being my best friend, he told me pretty much everything, especially after we got off work, started tossing a few back, and talking shop.

One night he tells me all about this "Awesome new surveillance software" they just started using. He knew i was into the tech stuff so he told me in detail what this software could do.

At its core, it was facial recognition software, but it had features that actually allowed it to track a person from camera to camera as they moved through the casino without any human intervention at all. It was 100% accurate at off peak hours, but when the casino was packed it had a bit of trouble tracking through large groups. When they first started using it, the only faces in its database were certain employees that they used to test it, but over time they added people who had been banned, people they suspected of creating, terminated employees, and others.

I looked into what he told me and could find no such software anywhere, so I figured he was bullsh**ing me, and I told him as much. He swore he wasn't lying and I believed him. I knew him well enough to know he wouldn't swear unless it was true. Despite that, one night we were drinking some beers at my house celebrating that he got promoted to surveillance, which for about a year he had been bucking for. After a few beers, he said he had something for me. We'd had a few beers, but he got all sober and made me swear not to say a word to anyone, which of course I did. So he goes over to my computer and puts a CD ROM in the drive.

The disc only had one file on it, a video. He opens it up and there I am behind my bar. I see a cursor move onto my face and a white box appears around my head. Above the box I see letters start to appear, "Hi ***hole." The box turns green and stays put around my head no matter where I moved. The "Hi A-hole" label remained too.

He fast forwarded it to when I went on my break. The green box stayed on my head until I went behind the bar and out of view. the square turned red and stayed in the last spot I was on camera. After about a second, the camera view switch to the hallway behind the bar and the red square snapped to my head and turned green again. The cameras followed me all the way to the restroom. When I went into the restroom the square turned red and just sat there. When I came back out, it snapped to my face and followed me again.

Fascinated, I watched the video for about an hour. The only time the system lost me was when I went on the employee elevator which didn't have a camera, but since the elevator only moved between two floors, my buddy knew where I was getting out and manually switched to the hallway camera there. When I got out, I turned away from the camera and the red square didn't track me since it couldn't see my face. The cursor moved to my body and the red square zipped around my head but remained red. I rounded a corner and just like before the red square stopped where I was last. A second later the cafeteria camera picked me up with a full on face shot and the red square snapped to my head and turned green again. "Hi ***hole."

Take my story for what you will. Believe me or not I don't care, but I'm telling you big brother is already here and has been for some time. The surveillance tech they have now is way more sophisticated than what this article talks about. Now whether the software my buddy used was engineered in-house by ******** IT department, or outsourced, I cannot say, but it most definitely could track multiple subjects in real time and from camera to camera.
Hell yea. I remember seeing a special on London's security system. The one they use accepts any sort of input and can find and track across multiple cameras like that. I remember one example they used where they just typed "red shirt" into a search bar and the system started highlighting and tracking people wearing red shirts. Fucking scary.
 
Watch Almost Human. Just sayin' Where there's a will/whip there's always a way.
 
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