iPhone 8 May Start at $1,200

That sounds like suicide... Something about money over/ under 1000 ..maybe its just crazy me I don't know.

I suspect the price will be $1000 for a number of reasons and that lots of people just want clicks by claiming highest price evar!!!!!!

1) if you look at the specs of CPU, RAM, screen size, flash storage, etc. They are comparable to what apple, samsung, etc have been charging $899-999 unsubsidized pricing for when new.

2) nothing to date indicates they are using inherently expensive materials or devices in the phone. For example sapphire instead of glass. You can build more production capacity, but the only way to make it so far is building it up by growing crystals in one of a few ways, and that is inherently slow and inherently costly to scale to large slabs. It's a cost that wouldn't radically decrease in 6 months.

3) Since everything that might be pricey on it is likely short term initial yield issues that will get solved once you get good at it, which you will making it for iphone scale volume, it'll just come off as price gouging. So apple can either sell out in 4 nanoseconds and claim unprecedented popularity for months on end, or get short lived headlines of price gouging douche bags. All while likely making no more money per unit as their negotiatted price is likely based on longer term cost projections and not initial yield.


Until recently $1000 was thrown around a lot, and given where it falls compared to other apple units and the competition, that seems pretty defensible. I suspect that with various capaciy options, one of them may very well be $1200.

The real question is even if the $1000 price tag is true, will enough people buy into it and will the non flagship models attract users. Because looking at the leaks, the "non-pro"/7s or 7pro s or whatever they wind up being called look very, very non compelling compared to the 7 which wasn't very compelling compare to the 6s. Making a serious launch of ultra-beige plus overpriced kind of cool would be bad.
 
Nope. The iPhone 7+ and new iPad is enough. Looking forward to an Apple Watch that can make calls without the phone on the go.
I don't see that watch happening anytime soon. If it had it's own radio, you'd have to charge your phone throughout the day. I hope it happens someday, but I suspect that's at least 2-3 years away and 5 wouldn't surprise me.

That sounds like suicide... Something about money over/ under 1000 ..maybe its just crazy me I don't know.
It's not, because there will be an iPhone 7s. It sounds like this is a new line of iPhones.

If you take care of your battery, it should last you at least 3 years given that it isn't tiny and requires a ton of charge cycles.
I can't find it right now(*), but battery university use to say that Lion batteries lost roughly 50% capacity after 3 years.

(*) the site looks much different now, so either I missed it or things have changed.
 
I can't find it right now(*), but battery university use to say that Lion batteries lost roughly 50% capacity after 3 years.

(*) the site looks much different now, so either I missed it or things have changed.

A typical Li-Ion or Li-Po battery will last 300-400 full charge cycles. (0% to 100% charge is one cycle. Charging from 50-100% twice would also be one cycle) Then they START to degrade. How fast they degrade changes greatly based on cell construction and the operating temps over the life of the battery, but 3 years is typical for cell-phone applications before you hit significant loss of capacity.
 
I can see them charging this, but they better have at least one killer feature, like super battery life, unbreakable screen, guaranteed OS updates for 6 years, 2x the cpu power of previous generation without loss in battery, and dockable desktop mode.
It might be justifiable for some if it had user replaceable battery, sd card slot, 2 lightning ports, or wireless charging.

But more likely it will be something shiny like different colors or custom "designer" shell. :(
 
If it has dual SIM, put me down, love my 7+ been the best phone I have had in a long time especially coming from the pile of shit that was the Galaxy Note 4. Not to mention ill get 3/4 of my money back. If it goes pro it will follow a different lifecycle of 2yrs.

LOL at people bitching about the phone being outdated in 12 months... my aunt is still using an iPhone 4... try doing that with an android phone.
 
I can see them charging this, but they better have at least one killer feature, like super battery life, unbreakable screen, guaranteed OS updates for 6 years, 2x the cpu power of previous generation without loss in battery, and dockable desktop mode.
It might be justifiable for some if it had user replaceable battery, sd card slot, 2 lightning ports, or wireless charging.

But more likely it will be something shiny like different colors or custom "designer" shell. :(
the 6 years of updates might make sense, but only if the CPU on the Pro is as good or better than the regular model that comes out next year. I've got an iPhone 6, and it's kinda slow running some apps. There's no way I'd want to run it for 6 years. All the other stuff you're asking for, sounds like you want an Android phone. They're not going to have a swappable battery or SD slots. Wireless charging is what they need, but 2 lightning ports would be an acceptable alternative. It's a problem if you can't use headphones and charge at the same time. I know people who passed on last years model because hey removed headphone jack. Wireless charging fixes that issue.
 
the 6 years of updates might make sense, but only if the CPU on the Pro is as good or better than the regular model that comes out next year. I've got an iPhone 6, and it's kinda slow running some apps. There's no way I'd want to run it for 6 years. All the other stuff you're asking for, sounds like you want an Android phone. They're not going to have a swappable battery or SD slots. Wireless charging is what they need, but 2 lightning ports would be an acceptable alternative. It's a problem if you can't use headphones and charge at the same time. I know people who passed on last years model because hey removed headphone jack. Wireless charging fixes that issue.

They would probably add wireless charging with the intention of removing the last port on the phone, unfortunately.
 
Once you go bluetooth, you don't willingly go back.
as one who absolutely hate blue tooth and has expensive IEMs that will never support the technology, I can honestly say that would simply mean I don't upgrade for the foreseeable future or go back to Android. Sorry, but homey doesn't use inferior audio tech for minor convenience. What good is Bluetooth if I'm on a long flight and I have to charge the battery on the headphones AND the phone to continue listening to music or watching a movie. I won't put it past apple, but it's a total loser for me.
 
I wont spend anymore than what i did on my 6S+128gig, which was about a grand with applecare and i sure as fook wont be paying anymore for a phone, hell I might even go back to an old style phone where all it does is make calls, mainly due for security.

Before if you lost your phone, you only lost a phone and a few phone numbers, now if you lose your phone your whole world is turned upside down.
 
A typical Li-Ion or Li-Po battery will last 300-400 full charge cycles. (0% to 100% charge is one cycle. Charging from 50-100% twice would also be one cycle) Then they START to degrade. How fast they degrade changes greatly based on cell construction and the operating temps over the life of the battery, but 3 years is typical for cell-phone applications before you hit significant loss of capacity.
Depth of Discharge doesn't work like that it ultimately depends on the battery but the amount of cycles you get from fully discharging vs say 40% discharged is not linear in most cases. Fully discharging you can maybe cycle 300 times; discharge only 10% of the battery you can get 10k cycles out of the battery before signs of significant degradation. Meaning you get more energy out of the battery before it degrades.
 
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I paid $1000 for my iPhone 7+ 256GB. If I can get a 128/256GB iPhone 8 OLED for $1100 then I'll bite. Otherwise I'll just sit on my 7+ until the inevitable price drops on the 8 OLED.
 
I paid $1000 for my iPhone 7+ 256GB. If I can get a 128/256GB iPhone 8 OLED for $1100 then I'll bite. Otherwise I'll just sit on my 7+ until the inevitable price drops on the 8 OLED.

So did I, I'm not quite sure if Ill pay more than what I did for the 7+ 256gb. It would have to be a substantial upgrade to me like the 7+ was over my 6.
 
my aunt is still using an iPhone 4... try doing that with an android phone.

Working Galaxy S phones can still be had on ebay. I couldn't say how useful they'd be on the web. For talking and texting they'd work as good as day-1, especially considering the removable battery.

Unrelated note, I suspect the iPhone 8 will be the first phone with 4k60fps video recording. Amateur filmmakers eat up all that Apple stuff, and one of the reasons I think is that with the rare exception of that Sony whatever, Apple has(AFAIK) been the only one innovating higher frame rates on phones.
 
Working Galaxy S phones can still be had on ebay. I couldn't say how useful they'd be on the web. For talking and texting they'd work as good as day-1, especially considering the removable battery.

Unrelated note, I suspect the iPhone 8 will be the first phone with 4k60fps video recording. Amateur filmmakers eat up all that Apple stuff, and one of the reasons I think is that with the rare exception of that Sony whatever, Apple has(AFAIK) been the only one innovating higher frame rates on phones.

Contrary to popular belief, the battery is replaceable in the iPhone. Lift the screen and pull the adhesive pull tab and the battery comes out / drop a new one in. Yes the screen is glued in but thats what all the bitchers get for wanting a water resistant handset because they are too stupid to keep electronics away from water.
 
iPhone 4 is my favorite smart phone. Replaced most components, some multiple times :D
 
Contrary to popular belief, the battery is replaceable in the iPhone. Lift the screen and pull the adhesive pull tab and the battery comes out / drop a new one in.

I think it may have been even easier than that on the iphone 4. Repaired quite a few screens on those back in the day. Did require a special screwdtiver called a pentalobe.

However, most people arent going to mess with it on a phone from 2010 thats worth $35. Theyre certainly not to to hire someone to do it. Battery dies or gets real useless, new phone time. To be fair, the same could be said on phones with pop out batteries.
 
I think it may have been even easier than that on the iphone 4. Repaired quite a few screens on those back in the day. Did require a special screwdtiver called a pentalobe.

However, most people arent going to mess with it on a phone from 2010 thats worth $35. Theyre certainly not to to hire someone to do it. Battery dies or gets real useless, new phone time. To be fair, the same could be said on phones with pop out batteries.

first runs of iPhone 4 had regular screws, and the back is what came off not the screen
 
Yeah but his aunt probably has the 4GB iPhone 4 that was "free" with contract the next year. Regardless, it's not likely she was going to fool around with even a regular 00 Philips. Or order a battery.
 
It just makes for crappy value, but I'm sure a lot of people won't see it that way. Even if it gets put out of reach of some of the up-front cash buyers, I imagine quite a few people will fork over the extra money per-month to finance this thing.



If you take care of your battery, it should last you at least 3 years given that it isn't tiny and requires a ton of charge cycles.

(Still) have highish end samsung phablet with 4800 mah battery which I used daily for the past two years but pretty much after warranty ended its 4800 mah battery went bust (uptime went down hard) and I charged pretty much weekly (!!!!! battery life was seriously ludicrous). That was when I said I will never again buy a phone with not easily replacabke battery (pretty much the same thing happened with my wifes phone but she chrages daily). I see no need whatsoever to change flagship phone from past 2-3 years (and I upgrade my pc parts pretty much every few months). Like seriously – what improvements were there these past few years apart from phones becoming more expensive?
 
Looks like a cash grab from the Samsung fiasco. Yeah it's been a few months but that was still a heck of a PR problem. Apple hasn't had any disasters so they might as well cash in on Samsung's troubles. Either that or they know some folks will automatically buy it no matter what. I figure with phone tech running into a wall as far as overall computing power and basically no new features to add to the table that are revolutionary, and poor battery life, they'll milk that crowd for whatever they're worth. I thought the next step for mobile/phones would be a seamless integration with cloud as an OS and desktop replacement but Apple seems to be doing what they do best; nothing and charging more for it.
 
I'm thinking the Pro model will have a 120hz screen in which case that would be justified. Base iPhone 8 would have the standard retina OLED and internals.

They would have to differentiate the Pro somehow.
 
None of this should be surprising to anyone paying attention to the phone market for the last several months. There has been talk of a premium edition of the iPhone since, at least, the start of the year. For a while, the common name people gave it was iPhone Edition or iPhone Pro. Price speculation has pretty much always been above $1000 for it.
 
Depth of Discharge doesn't work like that it ultimately depends on the battery but the amount of cycles you get from fully discharging vs say 40% discharged is not linear in most cases. Fully discharging you can maybe cycle 300 times; discharge only 10% of the battery you can get 10k cycles out of the battery before signs of significant degradation. Meaning you get more energy out of the battery before it degrades.

It's a chemical process, so it's certainly not linear, and I didn't mean to imply that it was. It's a useful estimate in most cases to determine cell life. There are a whole lot of factors that go into it from shape and size of the cells to the specific materials used in manufacturing. Then the operating temps and the rates of charge and discharge can all have significant impact in the life of a given cell.

A well-designed system will maximize the battery life for the expected operating conditions. If they expect the battery to be kept >90% most of the time, then they can design accordingly and greatly increase the lifespan. If they expect the battery to be fully drained and fully recharged 10 times a day, they need to design for that. The DoD that's calculated or reported on a data sheet typically has to include some of those numbers, because there's just too much variation in performance if you operate outside what they've tested for.
 
I wont spend anymore than what i did on my 6S+128gig, which was about a grand with applecare and i sure as fook wont be paying anymore for a phone, hell I might even go back to an old style phone where all it does is make calls, mainly due for security.

Before if you lost your phone, you only lost a phone and a few phone numbers, now if you lose your phone your whole world is turned upside down.

I've got an old flip phone (still use it as bill reminder, cuz it goes off every month even if it's turned off), but there's no way I could go back to a phone phone. I barely use my current phone as a phone. If I lose my phone, however, aside from buying a new phone, it's not too bad, since I can just restore from a back up.
 
ILOL at people bitching about the phone being outdated in 12 months... my aunt is still using an iPhone 4... try doing that with an android phone.
*Raises hand* - I'm rocking a 4-year-old Samsung Galaxy Light. No, it's not super fast. Yes, it's still on Android 4.4.2. But the dang thing works. I might have to sideload older (read: less CPU-hungry) versions of apps, but I've found that most of the time, I don't miss anything desirable by using the latest updates.
 
If I recall correctly, there's an unwritten rule that a li-ion battery should never be discharged all the way down to 0%, since it degrades it the hardest. Discharging down to 30% or 20% should give it a significant lifespan bump over 0%.

Disclaimer: I am not a battery expert, just speaking from my experience with many tens of devices over the course of 10+ years. Different battery sizes, chemical structures, loads, and operating temperatures all come into play.
 
People will buy this. They already buy cars and houses they can't truly afford, what makes a phone any different?
 
If I recall correctly, there's an unwritten rule that a li-ion battery should never be discharged all the way down to 0%, since it degrades it the hardest. Discharging down to 30% or 20% should give it a significant lifespan bump over 0%.

Disclaimer: I am not a battery expert, just speaking from my experience with many tens of devices over the course of 10+ years. Different battery sizes, chemical structures, loads, and operating temperatures all come into play.

That's a pretty common myth, and it's based on older super-cheap and unregulated li-ion batteries. There's a risk in older multi-cell nickle-based batteries of "cell reversal" during deep discharge, which can cause major problems and damage the battery. Li-Ion has similar (but different) problems, but those problems are eliminated with the addition of regulation and protections circuits. Anything made in the past 4-5 years has regulators for discharge and charging actually built into the cells themselves, which prevent any of those types of issues.

Newer devices are all using Li-Po cells, which have most of the advantages of Li-Ion, but are even safer and don't have such an extreme problem with over/under current conditions. They still have built-in regulation, but it's far less of a concern and suffers even less degradation over time.
 
That's a pretty common myth, and it's based on older super-cheap and unregulated li-ion batteries. There's a risk in older multi-cell nickle-based batteries of "cell reversal" during deep discharge, which can cause major problems and damage the battery. Li-Ion has similar (but different) problems, but those problems are eliminated with the addition of regulation and protections circuits. Anything made in the past 4-5 years has regulators for discharge and charging actually built into the cells themselves, which prevent any of those types of issues.

Newer devices are all using Li-Po cells, which have most of the advantages of Li-Ion, but are even safer and don't have such an extreme problem with over/under current conditions. They still have built-in regulation, but it's far less of a concern and suffers even less degradation over time.
In addition:
Some device mfrs battery cells are allowed to charge higher than recommended voltage which reduces battery life substantially.
This is so mfrs can get more power from a smaller battery with less cost.
Keeping these batteries fully charged actually reduces their life. They dont care much about that as long as it lasts the warranty period.
A partial charge can extend the battery life a lot because it prevents the voltage going too high.
But its inconvenient to do and the battery runs flat sooner. And you have to know about it.
 
In addition:
Some mfrs battery cells are allowed to charge higher than recommended voltage which reduces battery life substantially.
This is so mfrs can get more power from a smaller battery with less cost.
Keeping these batteries fully charged actually reduces their life. They dont care much about that as long as it lasts the warranty period.
A partial charge can extend the battery life a lot because it prevents the voltage going too high.
But its inconvenient to do and the battery runs flat sooner. And you have to know about it.

Can you provide specifics? I'm fairly familiar with battery technology and I'd like to read more about this. From my knowledge of the tech, there's no way to get "more power from a smaller battery" like this, since the voltages produced are based on the chemistry of the materials used.
 

I'm familiar with the tech and physics that the article discusses. The "recommended" charge voltage for Li-Ion is 4.2V, that's not going "higher than the recommended" voltage, that IS the recommended voltage. Using a higher voltage to charge will not get more power from a smaller battery with less cost. Now charging at a LOWER voltage will reduce temp and stress and make the battery last longer, but it'll cost you in terms of charging time.

You can boost above that in terms of voltage, but it's very dangerous and results in severely impacted battery longevity.

My question was more "what manufacturers are doing this"? That's what I'd like to see some specifics on, since I can't imagine anyone who doesn't want a lawsuit doing this in a commercial mass-produced product.
 
I'm familiar with the tech and physics that the article discusses. The "recommended" charge voltage for Li-Ion is 4.2V, that's not going "higher than the recommended" voltage, that IS the recommended voltage. Using a higher voltage to charge will not get more power from a smaller battery with less cost. Now charging at a LOWER voltage will reduce temp and stress and make the battery last longer, but it'll cost you in terms of charging time.

You can boost above that in terms of voltage, but it's very dangerous and results in severely impacted battery longevity.

My question was more "what manufacturers are doing this"? That's what I'd like to see some specifics on, since I can't imagine anyone who doesn't want a lawsuit doing this in a commercial mass-produced product.
The article states the recommended voltage to not suffer voltage related stresses is 3.92V.
 
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