Crash Tests Raise Questions about Safety of Tesla Model S

Armenius said:
Read the article in the OP. It said the IIHS tested the car again this summer after Tesla made changes based on the results of the test posted in January. The test quoted in the article was just posted yesterday by the IIHS and includes results for more than just the Tesla.
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I was going by the video date, today's generation requires video to change their minds...

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I'm still gonna cling to my initial paranoid argument... Timing...
 
Sufu said:
Have you seen some of the crashes Tesla cars have been in? People walk out of the cars with bruises - try that with a ICE car: http://www.autoblog.com/2016/05/06/tesla-model-s-crash-germany-report/

I call bs on this latest test. Tesla just announced Model 3 production is starting ahead of schedule, so they need to rile up some news to get the stock to crash so they can buy in low before they start en-mass deliveries.
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Did you miss the video of the Subaru that was crushed and the driver survived? (just wondering) generally speaking rollovers no longer result in roof collapse and have not for a while now

this is an older car that rolled 3 times

 
Sufu said:
Have you seen some of the crashes Tesla cars have been in? People walk out of the cars with bruises - try that with a ICE car: http://www.autoblog.com/2016/05/06/tesla-model-s-crash-germany-report/

I call bs on this latest test. Tesla just announced Model 3 production is starting ahead of schedule, so they need to rile up some news to get the stock to crash so they can buy in low before they start en-mass deliveries.
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And ice cars drop the engine under the chassis you can see pics of Subarus accordions between 18 wheelers where the occupants walked away. The model s fares the same in offset head on and full head on as other ice sedans. It does worse than many in small overlap. The lack of an engine has zero to do with that. Its how the wheels fender area and firewall are constructed.

They can probably improve it. But they were still odors for claiming safest ever based on nhtsa tests.
 
from some kind of monkey...

".. the car does exactly what it's suppose to do and crumbles around the impact and nothing enters the cab of the vehicle. same technology F1, indycar, sports car racing, and nascar build their vehicles to do on impact."

I thinking you may as well resign yourself to one inamiable fact...in this test , which is used to test all of the cars that test and apparently equally ,this cars is a piece of shit
 
as people usually try to avoid a crash and can put themselves in to this situation (that this test shows) instead of hitting it head on where the car is designed to absorb the impact (i have to have a look at other videos but sure i seen 1-2 where this test showed extreme driver side penetration and the driver would of been killed as it was that bad)

i don't particularly like Tesla response as well, ok they cant do anything about it on current models but future ones they can

not like they don't have enough space to correct the issue on passenger and driver side on next model

does seem like artificial fake news, as in "fake news" as the issue is real just the response seems like they want to get Tesla shares down so can buy low sell high
 
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IMHO Tesla's response should have been "We are working with the IIHS to identify the issues and implement a solution as quickly as we can" but nope they pulled their dick out and pissed into a hurricane wind thus messing themselves.

The small frontal overlap test is designed to mimic 2 cars colliding in a manner consistent with someone straying over the center line....something that is more common than you think
 
For timing conspiracy theorists, ever consider IIHS gave Tesla as much time as possible to address the issue prior to release? When nothing was done it kinda is their job to let consumers know..
 
david_ said:
For timing conspiracy theorists, ever consider IIHS gave Tesla as much time as possible to address the issue prior to release? When nothing was done it kinda is their job to let consumers know..
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I'm just excited that the IIHS released a video demonstrating how to properly suicide one's self in a January 2017 or newer Model S is all...
 
c3k said:
...Of course, the RESULT of an accident is obviously worse, given the same geometry of two accidents, for the one which involves higher velocity. A totaled car is a totaled car, whether it is from a 45 mph wreck or a 70 mph wreck. The insurance payout is the same. Perhaps I erred in thinking there were adults present?
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As far as claim payouts go for insurance, cars are cheap. It's the squishy people in the car that require 6-7 figure medical/disability.death payouts. I'd wager that those bills go up significantly when vehicle speed in an accident is increased from 45 to 70. Thus the motivation to have speed limits in place and enforced.
 
Can anyone tell me just what the fuck is being called into question about the modelS? Got an acceptable rating in one of the tests done by private? testing organization.. Just WTF... only for tesla would such a thing come out framed the way it did... No wonder Elon Musk sometimes seems paranoid
... Its no paranoia if its real i guess.
 
So basically the argument here is about a car getting 4 instead of 5 stars in a test? And it's called a death trap? LOL

The difference between the Volvo and Tesla crash test is a lucky break nothing more. As you can see the volvo is deflected by the barrier sideways and not the whole inertial force of the car is absorbed as it continues to travel forward. The Tesla on the other hand doesn't get that lucky as it is completely stopped by the barrier therefore the entire deceleration happens much faster and there is much more force to be absorbed by the car.

That's all there is to it. If you look at other cars this is still a a top 10% result as far as small overlap crash tests go.
 
c3k said:
Lot of anger there, Padawan.

Check the autobahn accident rates. Pretty low. Hmm...but, but (don't cry), they go FAST. It's scary for you, but it's true.

Now, think about it. (Although, I seem to be dealing with someone to whom "feelings" are more important than "facts": that is consistent with a specific demographic, so this all may be wasted...) A 45 mph road with multiple crossing and intersecting traffic lanes has far more accidents than a similar stretch of interstate with no onramps or exits, even if the speed limit is 70 mph.

You assert my statement is "bullshit". You are soooo wrong. Frightened, butt-hurt, but still wrong. Find yourself a safe space and maybe get a comfort puppy, then come back when you want to have a rational conversation...if that is even something you contemplate.

Of course, the RESULT of an accident is obviously worse, given the same geometry of two accidents, for the one which involves higher velocity. A totaled car is a totaled car, whether it is from a 45 mph wreck or a 70 mph wreck. The insurance payout is the same. Perhaps I erred in thinking there were adults present?
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As someone who lives in Germany I feel I have to respond to this...

Yes, the death rates on the Autobahn are reasonably low, but not great - we're almost twice the level of the UK motorway death rate for example.

Part of the reason is because if an accident DOES happen, it tends to be at a much higher speed and thus the risk of death is much higher. It's for this reason that the accident rate is comparable to other european countries, but the death rate is not.

Your statement 'A totaled car is a totaled car, whether it is from a 45 mph wreck or a 70 mph wreck' may be true in terms of insurance payout, but not in terms of whether a funeral was involved. It's the second bit that bothers me, not the first.

Another point, roughly 67% of the accidents that occur on the Autobahn happen in sections with no speed limit. That's about 40% of the Autobahn as of today.

Lastly, try to write next time in a less condescending and offensive tone. The person you are referring to wasn't particularly graceful with his post, but then you really dove into the gutter with your response.

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Right, if you buy a car with a "Ludicrous Speed" mode, you like to know it can potentially save your life when you make a mistake.

No, it's no guarantee. But I'd still consider it an important factor in my purchase of a speed-demon.
 
defaultluser said:
Right, if you buy a car with a "Ludicrous Speed" mode, you like to know it can potentially save your life when you make a mistake.

No, it's no guarantee. But I'd still consider it an important factor in my purchase of a speed-demon.
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Personally I wouldn't have a problem with the rating the car got... what I WOULD have a problem with is the fact that they've been shouting from the rooftops that they make the safest car in the world when, simply, it isn't true.
 
M76 said:
So basically the argument here is about a car getting 4 instead of 5 stars in a test? And it's called a death trap? LOL

The difference between the Volvo and Tesla crash test is a lucky break nothing more. As you can see the volvo is deflected by the barrier sideways and not the whole inertial force of the car is absorbed as it continues to travel forward. The Tesla on the other hand doesn't get that lucky as it is completely stopped by the barrier therefore the entire deceleration happens much faster and there is much more force to be absorbed by the car.

That's all there is to it. If you look at other cars this is still a a top 10% result as far as small overlap crash tests go.
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Maybe you missed the part where the Tesla drivers head hits the steering wheel?
There was no luck involved in the Volvos deflection. Thats done by design, making it the far superior car in this type of accident.
 
M76 said:
So basically the argument here is about a car getting 4 instead of 5 stars in a test? And it's called a death trap? LOL

The difference between the Volvo and Tesla crash test is a lucky break nothing more. As you can see the volvo is deflected by the barrier sideways and not the whole inertial force of the car is absorbed as it continues to travel forward. The Tesla on the other hand doesn't get that lucky as it is completely stopped by the barrier therefore the entire deceleration happens much faster and there is much more force to be absorbed by the car.

That's all there is to it. If you look at other cars this is still a a top 10% result as far as small overlap crash tests go.
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Lucky break my arse.

What about the test of the new XC60 then, where the same thing happened?



And the IIHS's own test of the XC90 where, gasp, the same thing happened...



Even the old S80 did the same...



They are just better designed. Statements like 'it was just luck' are pretty silly, really...

Note, the above took me all of 5 minutes to find.
 
Jim Kim said:
So you're saying Tesla needs more luck, as if government funding was not luck enough.
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People buying Tesla's and solar roofs generally pay a fair amount of taxes... And are just getting a chunk of what was stolen from them back for something of their choosing...

I'll still pay more in taxes than I'll get from my credit on the next tax cycle... Hooray for the government letting me spend more of my money as I see fit...

There's no such thing as government money. It's the tax payers money, most people seem to overlook this...
 
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MikeTrike said:
People buying Tesla's and solar roofs generally pay a fair amount of taxes... And are just getting a chunk of what was stolen from them back for something of their choosing...

I'll still pay more in taxes than I'll get from my credit on the next tax cycle... Hooray for the govern
ment letting me spend more of my money as I see fit...

There's no such thing as government money. It's the tax payers money, most people seem to overlook this...
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Looks like those "stolen?" dollars are going to good use.
I am glad the rest of us get to support you in your endeavors. Enjoy your unsafe tax car.

That must mean that Tesla is the new Peoples Car. http://jalopnik.com/the-real-story-behind-the-nazis-and-volkswagen-1733943186
 
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MikeTrike said:
People buying Tesla's and solar roofs generally pay a fair amount of taxes... And are just getting a chunk of what was stolen from them back for something of their choosing...

I'll still pay more in taxes than I'll get from my credit on the next tax cycle... Hooray for the government letting me spend more of my money as I see fit...

There's no such thing as government money. It's the tax payers money, most people seem to overlook this...
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Not saying you're wrong, but if you say it's the people's money, then that money is still YOUR money which is being paid to Tesla for you by the government... :)
 
focbde said:
Not saying you're wrong, but if you say it's the people's money, then that money is still YOUR money which is being paid to Tesla for you by the government... :)
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What are my other choices? Bombing other countries? Making public education worse?
 
MikeTrike said:
What are my other choices? Bombing other countries? Making education worse?
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Well that escalated quickly - settle on down there sport, I did say I didn't think you are wrong. :) For the record I think it's a good use of taxpayer money - I'm not anti-Tesla at all for the record, and here in DE I've thought often about getting one.
 
focbde said:
Well that escalated quickly - settle on down there sport, I did say I didn't think you are wrong.
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Just trying to push the point home that I'll take Mars and cars over bombs and dead people if possible... Or free shit for everyone in general, commie shit ain't helping our already funky situation...

EDIT: I shittily worded the second part, and I'm not gonna fix it...
 
Jim Kim said:
Looks like those "stolen?" dollars are going to good use.
I am glad the rest of us get to support you in your endeavors. Enjoy your unsafe tax car.

That must mean that Tesla is the new Peoples Car. http://jalopnik.com/the-real-story-behind-the-nazis-and-volkswagen-1733943186
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I'm still not sure how to respond to you... So I'll just leave this here.

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Also if anyone is curious...

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In contrast to the real big stupid shit we do... Who. Gives. A. Fuck.

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Basically we throw more in the trash (interest) than we give to NASA, that's how fucking ignorant we collectively are...

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That... can't be real, right? Tesla got 241 billion??

Also, I thought US defence spending was above the trillion mark....
 
focbde said:
That... can't be real, right? Tesla got 241 billion??

Also, I thought US defence spending was above the trillion mark....
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You're right, it's not right...

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It's actually how much money the tax payers (some of we the people) hand over to a private bank free and clear every year...
 
M76 said:
So basically the argument here is about a car getting 4 instead of 5 stars in a test? And it's called a death trap? LOL

The difference between the Volvo and Tesla crash test is a lucky break nothing more. As you can see the volvo is deflected by the barrier sideways and not the whole inertial force of the car is absorbed as it continues to travel forward. The Tesla on the other hand doesn't get that lucky as it is completely stopped by the barrier therefore the entire deceleration happens much faster and there is much more force to be absorbed by the car.

That's all there is to it. If you look at other cars this is still a a top 10% result as far as small overlap crash tests go.
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you are so far off the mark it isn't funny.... Acceptable means you run the risk of moderate but not fatal injuries. Luck has absolutely nothing to do with test results....
 
MikeTrike said:
You're right, it's not right...

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It's actually how much money the tax payers (some of we the people) hand over to a private bank free and clear every year...
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I think the most depressing thing to take away from this is how easily I missed the fact that it was an obviously photoshopped image... perhaps I just trusted you too much? :)
 
focbde said:
I think the most depressing thing to take away from this is how easily I missed the fact that it was an obviously photoshopped image... perhaps I just trusted you too much? :)
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Don't trust everything nor fall for anything, it's a tricksey world we live in.

EDIT: Added How to spot a misleading graph
 
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