Which Linux OS can used to game with ( Windows PC Games)?

BulletDust said:
Just like running the latest hardware most definitely improves the gaming experience under Linux, I can assure you that running the latest drivers also helps immensely where DX to OGL wrappers and poor ports are concerned - In fact like the hardware situation under Linux it's probably more important to always run the latest drivers under Linux than Windows for this very reason as Nvidia and Valve are always manipulating drivers to gain the best gaming experience possible considering poor ports and making leaps and bounds in this area. Therefore your comment was an assumption, applied as a blanket statement, as always.

As for your opinion regarding Linux gaming, good for you! Please, stick to Windows.

And no, I see VR as a waste of hard earned $$. If you can justify it, good for you, doesn't mean you're in anyway a superior individual.
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You said that Windows users were required to run the latest and greatest nVidia drivers. Well, me being that exception to all PC usage you like to highlight, yeah I probably should as I often run the latest and greatest mentioned by nNidia needing those drivers for games. Games that have no Linux versions. So just calm down a bit.
 
Simmonz said:
What I am talking about is the average user who are far more moronic than I think many people know. I have literally had them ask me what I meant by the start button in 7 and 10 and I had to point it out to them. They didn't know what it was called in any sensible way. Start button is a pretty basic way to put it but they had no idea. You think the average user reads IT press ? Lucky to get them to read half truths from some Youtube hack.
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There's no denying the flack that Microsoft got over removing the Start Button in Windows 8 to the point they had to add it back. The discussion was well beyond any issues with a Linux distro.
 
heatlesssun said:
There's no denying the flack that Microsoft got over removing the Start Button in Windows 8 to the point they had to add it back. The discussion was well beyond any issues with a Linux distro.
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What issues? I can't replicate these issues, and believe me, I'm actively trying.

As a tech Simmonz see's the same things I do, and I can assure you the masses rarely know where the start button is. And that's just the beginning of their confusion.
 
BulletDust said:
What issues? I can't replicate these issues, and believe me, I'm actively trying.

As a tech Simmonz see's the same things I do, and I can assure you the masses rarely know where the start button is. And that's just the beginning of their confusion.
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This is literally Microsoft propaganda.
 
heatlesssun said:
This is literally Microsoft propaganda.
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Why? They know a Chrome icon, a Firefox icon, a Skype icon to talk to the kidlets. It could be actually used as propaganda relating to the ease of switching away from Windows! No matter what the OS the intricacies are not going to change the views of the masses.

Hence the reason people love iPads.
 
BulletDust said:
Why? They know a Chrome icon, a Firefox icon, a Skype icon to talk to the kidlets. It could be actually used as propaganda relating to the ease of switching away from Windows! No matter what the OS the intricacies are not going to change the views of the masses.
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Wow, this is a first in my book. To cover faults in Linux you're now covering for a huge and obvious Microsoft blunder?
 
heatlesssun said:
Wow, this is a first in my book. To cover faults in Linux you're now covering for a huge and obvious Microsoft blunder?
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No, I'm stating that the masses are oblivious. Although they were genuinely pissed when Microsoft tricked them into installing Windows 10.

Crapping on about installing Windows, installing Linux and drivers is pointless when the masses don't know what the Start button is. They're not installing anything.
 
heatlesssun said:
This is literally Microsoft propaganda.
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Except it isn't. You are either ignoring it or you pretend it doesn't happen. As soon as Vista hit and the Start Button no longer had the word START on it people no longer knew what it is.

I see the same thing Bullet and Simmonz see. I get a phone call and I say OK...hit the start button. "What button?" It's mind numbing to have to say "the little round circle in the bottom left corner" or "the 4 little squares in the bottom left corner".

The average user is a moron that knows how to open Word, Chrome, Email via shortcuts and that's about it.
 
Vermillion said:
Except it isn't. You are either ignoring it or you pretend it doesn't happen. As soon as Vista hit and the Start Button no longer had the word START on it people no longer knew what it is.
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There has never been more debate in computing history over a single UI change than the removal of the Start button in Windows 8. A lot of people did know of the Start button and Microsoft got a very loud and clear message over that decision.

Vermillion said:
The average user is a moron that knows how to open Word, Chrome, Email via shortcuts and that's about it.
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And a very common way to get to those shortcuts has long been the Start button, even in Windows 8 that had the "invisible" hot corner version.
 
BulletDust said:
What issues? I can't replicate these issues, and believe me, I'm actively trying.
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No you aren't.

An unbiased participant might actually try to replicate issues.

But you are hyper biased and defensive about Linux and already admitted, you aren't trying to replicate issues, but instead trying to prove Linux issues don't exist.

Even in rigorous scientific studies, even barely realized biases creep in and ruin results.

But when a Zealot acknowledges they are trying to prove the opposite, there is no doubt they will prove the opposite, to themselves.

All my issues are very real.

The majority come from the issues building large scale software by divergent groups, and making ad-hoc assemblages with little QA.

This basically leaves QA and integration in the hands of the users.

Which is why Linux Desktop is best relegated to people who want to spend a lot of time tinkering to get things working properly.
 
Snowdog said:
I was doing research about getting newer drivers straight from NVidia for Manjaro, but I read that installing drivers straight from NVidia into a rolling release was a bad idea, better to wait until the Manjaro Repos caught up. But hey I guess I should have just ignored that advice and went ahead anyway...
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CROCK OF SHITE!

"you heard"

I run gentoo, I run latest release of a lot of things simply because I help with gentoo thus fixing ebuilds sort of needs it, plus latest drivers provide performance for the games I play.
There is no problem in using drivers straight from Nvidia on a rolling release

Code: 
eix nvidia-drivers
[I] x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers
     Available versions:  [M]96.43.23-r1(0/96)^msd [M]173.14.39-r1(0/173)^msd [M]173.14.39-r2(0/173)^msd 304.135(0/304)^md (~)304.135-r1(0/304)^md 340.102(0/340)^md (~)340.102-r1(0/340)^md 375.39(0/375)^md 375.66(0/375)^md (~)375.66-r1(0/375)^md 378.13(0/378)^md (~)378.13-r1(0/378)^md (~)381.09(0/381)^md 381.22(0/381)^md (~)381.22-r1(0/381)^md {+X acpi compat custom-cflags +driver gtk gtk3 +kms multilib pax_kernel static-libs (+)tools uvm wayland ABI_MIPS="n32 n64 o32" ABI_PPC="32 64" ABI_S390="32 64" ABI_X86="32 64 x32" KERNEL="FreeBSD linux"}
     Installed versions:  381.22-r1^md(20:21:07 09/06/17)(X driver gtk3 kms multilib tools uvm -acpi -compat -pax_kernel -static-libs -wayland ABI_MIPS="-n32 -n64 -o32" ABI_PPC="-32 -64" ABI_S390="-32 -64" ABI_X86="32 64 -x32" KERNEL="linux -FreeBSD")
     Homepage:            http://www.nvidia.com/ http://www.nvidia.com/Download/Find.aspx
     Description:         NVIDIA Accelerated Graphics Driver
 
Snowdog said:
No you aren't.

An unbiased participant might actually try to replicate issues.

But you are hyper biased and defensive about Linux and already admitted, you aren't trying to replicate issues, but instead trying to prove Linux issues don't exist.

Even in rigorous scientific studies, even barely realized biases creep in and ruin results.

But when a Zealot acknowledges they are trying to prove the opposite, there is no doubt they will prove the opposite, to themselves.

All my issues are very real.

The majority come from the issues building large scale software by divergent groups, and making ad-hoc assemblages with little QA.

This basically leaves QA and integration in the hands of the users.

Which is why Linux Desktop is best relegated to people who want to spend a lot of time tinkering to get things working properly.
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I'm good at many things, but lying definitely isn't one of them. If the best you can come up with is to essentially call me a lier, than I'm happy with that.

There's someone showing signs of bias here, and it most definitely isn't me.
 
Vermillion said:
Except it isn't. You are either ignoring it or you pretend it doesn't happen. As soon as Vista hit and the Start Button no longer had the word START on it people no longer knew what it is.

I see the same thing Bullet and Simmonz see. I get a phone call and I say OK...hit the start button. "What button?" It's mind numbing to have to say "the little round circle in the bottom left corner" or "the 4 little squares in the bottom left corner".

The average user is a moron that knows how to open Word, Chrome, Email via shortcuts and that's about it.
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I have converted more then a few companies to Linux boxes lately where I have removed (or not installed) any type of start bar. 5-6 quick launches and a "documents" file launcher is all they need. (and all they really wanted).

The start bar is a safety blanket that very few regular users ever touch in my experience. They have their windows set with a couple quick launches and desktop littered with crap. Did MS take some flak removing it sure. MS isn't completely stupid they did the research and realized like most tech types that deal with the public that very few people really use the stupid start bar. So they felt safe removing it... accept it really is like a safety blanket when its gone people that haven't used it to launch anything in ages flip out.
 
Snowdog said:
This basically leaves QA and integration in the hands of the users.
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So you don't understand how Linux is developed... and you don't understand how Windows is developed either.

Unless your telling me Windows doesn't have a report crash/issue built into its OS. lol

MS has moved windows 10 to a rolling style release where the newest code is tested in testing branches.... and rolled out to main stream users from their.

Which is exactly how Linux is developed. Don't get annoyed because you installed a non LTS distro and found issues... your supposed to find issues in a testing branch, that is sort of the point. I prefer to run rolling distros myself because I like everything brand new fresh like... but I understand fully I will have to solve some shit myself. (for stuff I use a lot I then properly report the bug cause I'm a nice guy) When I installed a distro for my Mom she didn't get a rolling distro she got a nice solid LTS distro cause I don't want her to worry about having to solve issues or be calling me to solve issues all the time. Suggesting a LTS Linux distro has less QA then windows 10 is just plain silly.... MS is still smoothing out issues related to their move to the windows 10 roll out / testing phases. They still have a lot of game breaking crap creeping into their updates.
 
heatlesssun said:
There has never been more debate in computing history over a single UI change than the removal of the Start button in Windows 8. A lot of people did know of the Start button and Microsoft got a very loud and clear message over that decision.
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Except they didn't remove the Start button in Windows 8?!
 
heatlesssun said:
There has never been more debate in computing history over a single UI change than the removal of the Start button in Windows 8. A lot of people did know of the Start button and Microsoft got a very loud and clear message over that decision.
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I do believe I said when "Vista hit". That's when the start menu went away in the eyes of Joe Average. Joe Average needs the words "START" on that menu to tell people what the start menu was.
 
Vermillion said:
I do believe I said when "Vista hit". That's when the start menu went away in the eyes of Joe Average. Joe Average needs the words "START" on that menu to tell people what the start menu was.
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This simply isn't the well documented recent history of it. Where were the mass complaints of Vista missing the Start button? The problems with Vista were almost all technical issues.
 
heatlesssun said:
This simply isn't the well documented recent history of it. Where were the mass complaints of Vista missing the Start button? The problems with Vista were almost all technical issues.
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Oh my God. :rolleyes:

Read boy! Just read! So bloody frustrating!
 
Vermillion said:
I do believe I said when "Vista hit". That's when the start menu went away in the eyes of Joe Average. Joe Average needs the words "START" on that menu to tell people what the start menu was.
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Start menu went away with windows8
 
naib said:
Start menu went away with windows8
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I think his entire point was it stopped being a "start" bar when MS removed the name Start from the bar. They also stopped playing rolling stones commercials.... so of course their was confusion. :)
 
ChadD said:
I think his entire point was it stopped being a "start" bar when MS removed the name Start from the bar. They also stopped playing rolling stones commercials.... so of course their was confusion. :)
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true, but MS havn't been know for UI consistency or even sanity... Using a txt msg symbol in window10_phone for a missed call DERP!!! or changing what looks like simple row heading labels in windows explorer to being links to uninstall applications ...
This is why I have control panel on classic layout because damn if there is any coherent pattern to the "grouped ui"
 
naib said:
true, but MS havn't been know for UI consistency or even sanity... Using a txt msg symbol in window10_phone for a missed call DERP!!! or changing what looks like simple row heading labels in windows explorer to being links to uninstall applications ...
This is why I have control panel on classic layout because damn if there is any coherent pattern to the "grouped ui"
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Try explaining to people how to print under Windows 10 when there's two completely different UI's, and therefore print requestors, in the one OS. Yes, the masses struggle that badly that saying 'click print' isn't enough, especially when the UI is so chunky and touch oriented that the 'print' button is way off below the taskbar on their 1366x768 laptop display.

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yup :):):) the best bit is when you are trying to help someone over the phone and well THEY ARE SEEING SOMETHING COMPLETELY different!
windows is a joke
 
heatlesssun said:
This simply isn't the well documented recent history of it. Where were the mass complaints of Vista missing the Start button? The problems with Vista were almost all technical issues.
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And what I wrote apparently went WAY over your head. Maybe try reading comprehension instead of blindly thinking any comment is an attack against MS?

Vermillion said:
As soon as Vista hit and the Start Button no longer had the word START on it people no longer knew what it is.
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What I said was Joe Average only knew what the start menu was because it said START on it. That went away in Vista. As soon that happened Joe Average had no idea what it was.
 
Vermillion said:
What I said was Joe Average only knew what the start menu was because it said START on it. That went away in Vista. As soon that happened Joe Average had no idea what it was.
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And what I said is that there were no where near the complaints about the change in the Start button in Vista compared to its removal in Windows 8.
 
OP, looks like you had your solution in post #61, now theres an extra 5 pages of arguing, probably time to close it up. arguing aboot vista FFS....
 
Snowdog said:
Objectively:
In Windows it takes 3 scrolls of my mouse wheel to get from the top to bottom, of this forum page (before the addition of this new message).
In Lubuntu, it takes 6 scrolls of my mouse wheel to get from the top to bottom, of this forum page (before the addition of this new message).
So double the amount of scrolling.

Subjectively:
Scrolling twice as slow is readily apparent and very annoying. It makes web browsing in Linux feel more like drudgery in comparison. It's again, one of those, you can "get by" with this things, but I am not sure why I should have to put up with this.
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So, not sure if my post got lost but scroll speed is a variable in the web browser, and easily changed.

For example, in Firefox you can type this in the address bar: "about:config" press enter, in the new search box type "wheel", then look for "mousewheel.default.delta_multiplier_y" and change it to something higher like 600 or 800.

To be perfectly honest, though, if you are having trouble with something simple like this then you probably aren't going to have a good time in Linux.
 
cybereality said:
So, not sure if my post got lost but scroll speed is a variable in the web browser, and easily changed.

For example, in Firefox you can type this in the address bar: "about:config" press enter, in the new search box type "wheel", then look for "mousewheel.default.delta_multiplier_y" and change it to something higher like 600 or 800.

To be perfectly honest, though, if you are having trouble with something simple like this then you probably aren't going to have a good time in Linux.
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Maybe my post got lost, but my favored browser is Vivaldi. And I had researched and found people complaining about the same issue in Vivaldi and there being no real solution.
 
Vivaldi and Firefox here, scrolling smooth as a baby's ass.

Vivaldi's actually quite a nice browser and since the latest update Firefox is every bit as fast as Chrome with better memory usage.
 
Snowdog said:
Maybe my post got lost, but my favored browser is Vivaldi. And I had researched and found people complaining about the same issue in Vivaldi and there being no real solution.
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So I wanted to see for myself, it is indeed a Vivaldi issue. Out of box they do not seem to support scroll customization. However, there are extensions that fix this.

I installed the "Chromium Wheel Smooth Scroller" and it allows changing scroll speed. I also installed "AutoScroll" which adds middle-mouse click scrolling. The behavior was maybe a little off from what you get on Firefox, but it came close enough to be OK.

Also, thanks for the mention of Vivaldi. I had never heard of it before but it looks kind of cool. I will test this out more.
 
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