Feral Interactive: What are your thoughts?

BulletDust said:
Except Linux isn't missing out on anything, there's something like 88 VR titles available for Linux under Steam and development is probably on par with Apple (and yes, I'm fully aware that Apple has 'slightly' more VR titles).
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Where are you getting that 88 Linux VR titles in development. I've been looking around for that information and right now not much is being said of Linux Steam VR development on the content side. If VR is niche, people using under VR under Linux is a level of rarified well beyond that. Nothing at E3 was mentioned for Linux VR and there were a great deal of VR announcements made there.

BulletDust said:
Windows, as always, has a head start in development over anyone and it's safe to assume that due to X server Linux is going to have more issues in relation to development.
VR is supported under Linux as beta and development is ongoing, I see no evidence of Valve dragging their heels in relation to Linux VR adoption, all I see is the opinion of a VR zealot that thinks his superior due to the fact he can justify the cost of the necessary equipment.
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I get all of the Linux in beta. I've set this stuff under Windows and Linux. We're talking about stuff that was released to developers just a little over two years ago. For Linux to be this far behind in only two years means either 1) This stuff doesn't work well with Linux or 2) Yeah, the effort isn't being put into it. I'm going with 2 which is obviously the case because who the hell is going to spend hundreds of dollars on a VR headset to run exclusively under Linux? A whole let less than the niche of Windows users.

BulletDust said:
Having said that I agree with ChadD. I see no evidence of VR gaining mass market adoption any time even remotely soon, no matter how many tech companies want to jump on the VR bandwagon - The cost of both the headset and associated peripherals, not to mention a machine powerful enough to provide a decent experience, is a point no VR tech company wants to even openly comment on yet, even when directly presented with the question.

However this is not a discussion about VR.
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That's funny. Valve, the patron saint of Linux gaming, jumps into Linux gaming and that's huge, when it's putting even more effort into VR, so what. In any case, it's not like Linux gaming is going to disappear just because it isn't mainstream. The same with VR.
 
Sorry, 77 titles [EDIT] 4 titles due to some pointless 'VR Supported' selection:

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VR under Linux has been in development for around 12 months, Windows has a massive head start on everyone, furthermore you know this.

Furthermore, who cares?

[EDIT] 'VR Supported' indicates VR support, but not under all platforms. A bit of a pointless selection for a stagnant technology.
 
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heatlesssun said:
Whatever the future of VR becomes what you're saying for now is suspension of reality. VR development right now is red hot considering the size of its user base. There's a lot of stuff known to be in the pipeline that's not been released. AAA titles are coming out. Valve and HTC are constantly making improvements to the Vive, the Vives on sale now have been upgraded a bit from the one I just bought six months ago.

Call it dead when it makes some sense but calling VR a dead at this point is litterally this opposite of the situation. Valve has over 1100 VR only titles in this library currently in only 14 months and it's growing faster than Linux titles. I don't see VR gaming going away anytime soon anymore than Linux gaming. It may forever be niche but there will be those who want and willing to pay for the experience.
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AAA titles are coming ???

No my friend they are not.

No one is spending 40+ million on a VR only title. They would have more chance making their money back flushing it down a commode.

Their are less then 1 million PC VR units right now in the wild... as I have said more then once look at current sales numbers and it should be clear that by the end of the year they MAY assuming a good Xmas season hit 1 million.

Even if you give VR a perfect storm of sales it will take them 2-3 years from today to hit 2 million installed units. Assuming a company did make a AAA quality title for the bare min of $40 million (counting marketing and the like)... and they sold a copy to EVERYONE with a VR setup the first $20 of every sale would go to development costs. If there game sold to a more relaistic 33% (still freaking insane sell through numbers) $60 of each sale would go to nothing but recovering costs. With numbers like that no one is developing AAA titles for VR quite yet. (bottom line is with 2 million VR units... and a 33% sell through the game would have to sell at $120 to be profitable)

To put in a way you would appreciate... it would be as stupid as a development company developing a AAA title for Linux only. The market simply isn't big enough to take the chance on an expensive project.

I will believe in VR when they actually have a min of 10 million sold units. (which unless something changes will take more then 10 years to happen even then there would be more functioning Wii Us in the world) Until VR hits an actual acceptable sized installed base it is nothing more then a wish and a hope... and a great way for small companies to snag some venture capital. lol
 
BulletDust said:
[EDIT] 'VR Supported' indicates VR support, but not under all platforms. A bit of a pointless selection for a stagnant technology.
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Cool, I was going to point that out. I honestly don't bother much with VR extended titles. I doubt many of those work under Linux anyway. I get the whole point about Steam Linux VR being beta but still, this is stuff is so new, hell even Linux Steam support is older. Just how much time is this supposed to take and I say that as someone that's tried Linux VR and yeah, the issues are well documented and you can't pull a Snowdog on me about how I didn't listen to you because you've got no more idea about it than me because it is so new. That and even Linux experts have fits with Steam VR.
 
ChadD said:
AAA titles are coming ???

No my friend they are not.
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Star Trek Bridge Crew, came out lost month and is a hit. Fallout 4 and Doom coming and some more to be announced. You're just not even in reality on this.
 
heatlesssun said:
Star Trek Bridge Crew, came out lost month and is a hit. Fallout 4 and Doom coming and some more to be announced. You're just not even in reality on this.
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Bridge crew is not a AAA title... and Fallout 4 and Doom are not VR only titles.
 
ChadD said:
Bridge crew is not a AAA title... and Fallout 4 and Doom are not VR only titles.
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ST BC is a $50 VR title published by Ubisoft that was simultaneously released for PS VR, Vive and Rift that was talked about for a year that uses an iconic Sci-fi IP that's now included with Vive headsets for free. And just added IBM Watson voice interaction. And that's not AAA? The FO and Doom VR titles are being developed for VR and not merely extensions on top of conventional content.

Most everything you say about the current state of VR is completely wrong in the most obvious ways. What insane about you and Bullet, you bash people to hell over not being experienced and it's beyond obvious that you and he don't use VR then you go on and on about me brining up VR.

You don't like VR or use it fine. But when you start making shit up you're going get called out for it just as you do for folks that you think are doing the same with Linux.
 
heatlesssun said:
ST BC is a $50 VR title published by Ubisoft that was simultaneously released for PS VR, Vive and Rift that was talked about for a year that uses an iconic Sci-fi IP that's now included with Vive headsets for free. And just added IBM Watson voice interaction. And that's not AAA? The FO and Doom VR titles are being developed for VR and not merely extensions on top of conventional content.

Most everything you say about the current state of VR is completely wrong in the most obvious ways. What insane about you and Bullet, you bash people to hell over not being experienced and it's beyond obvious that you and he don't use VR then you go on and on about me brining up VR.

You don't like VR or use it fine. But when you start making shit up you're going get called out for it just as you do for folks that you think are doing the same with Linux.
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Once again for the record. WTF does VR have to do with Feral interactive ?

You are the one that couldn't resist going on a VR tangent again.

We get it you believe in VR... cool good for you. Go start a VR is wonderful thread where it belongs... instead of trying to hijack every non-vr Linux thread created.

Yes Star Trek Bridge Crew is as much a AAA title as Star Trek online is... they are AA at best. If a games budget doesn't hit the 20+ million mark I'm sorry its simply not AAA.

As for the titles you mentioned;
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2017...-game-and-thats-bad-news-for-two-major-vrpgs/

I'm sorry but they are VR designed in that they took the engine and assets from non-vr games and added warp points and hallways to shoot baddies in.

If that is what you mean by AAA VR development. I am even more convinced VR is dead.
 
If my opinion of VR is incorrect, I can assure you that your opinion on Linux is flat out garbage.

And here you go assuming experience again! It boggles the mind!

Get back on topic, this is not a thread about VR, this is not the VR forum. Keep VR discussion in the VR forum where it belongs.
 
ChadD said:
Once again for the record. WTF does VR have to do with Feral interactive ?
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The OP was the one that bought up VR, not me.

ChadD said:
Yes Star Trek Bridge Crew is as much a AAA title as Star Trek online is... they are AA at best. If a games budget doesn't hit the 20+ million mark I'm sorry its simply not AAA.
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However you want to phrase it is fine. It was a big release from a major developer built from scratch for VR that was highly anticipated for a year in the VR world.

ChadD said:
As for the titles you mentioned;
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2017...-game-and-thats-bad-news-for-two-major-vrpgs/

I'm sorry but they are VR designed in that they took the engine and assets from non-vr games and added warp points and hallways to shoot baddies in.

If that is what you mean by AAA VR development. I am even more convinced VR is dead.
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One opinion of a 10 minute demo of a game that's not yet released is the "proof" you have that VR is dead? Well here's "proof" of exactly the opposite: https://www.dailydot.com/parsec/fallout-vr-preview/. Both FO 4 and Doom VR, unless they really are just that bad, should both be well received by VR players. Control systems in VR are certainly much more challenging that in conventional games. But good developers have been listing to players and coming up with some good solutions.
 
heatlesssun said:
The OP was the one that bought up VR, not me.
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Yeah, not really. :rolleyes:

VR discussion can be safely confined to the VR forum where a miniscule number of members, including the one you idolize, can all crap on about it in the cozy confines of it's own little forum. This is a discussion about Ferel Interactive.
 
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heatlesssun said:
The OP was the one that bought up VR, not me.
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Actually no, Simmonz did in post #6 & only in passing ( as in: You can pair a i7-6700K with a GTX 1080ti and have a fanatstic rig, have support for VR) , you went off since post #7 about VR and linux .

In fact:
post #7 ( yours)
post #15 (yours)
post #18 (bullet with a blahblah VR)
post #19 (yours)
post #22 (yours)
post #23 (bullet and "you and VR)
post #47 (yours)
post #48 (bullet and "sick of VR)
post #52 (bullet biting on VR and linux)
post #53 (bullet biting on VR and linux)
post #56 (yours)
post #58 (yours)
post #64 (bullet, in passing)
post #74 (ChadD asking wtf this is again about VR??)
post #75 (ChadD asking wtf this is again about VR??)
post #76 ( IdiotInCharge, equally asking wtf VR in a thread about Feral)
post #77 (chadd going with VR)
post #78 *(bullet carry on the flow)
post #79 (yours)
post #80 (bullet asking is feral doing VR)
Post #81 (yours)
post #82 (yours)
post #83 (bullet biting again)
post #84 (chadd bring up why VR again)
post #85 (yours)
post #87 (chadd biting)
post #88 (yours)
post #89 (chadd biting)
post #90 ( bullet biting)
post #91 (yours where you are lying)
post #92 (bullet again asking keep vr out of it)

You are a liar, the OP NEVER brought up VR. The OP ( Lunar) never mentioned VR. I wouldn't even count #6 as it was an in-passing statement including VR just in the fact Simmonz rig supports it. It was your post at #7 that started VR

in fact...

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Back the truck up. I wasn't lying, I didn't bring up the subject but no it wasn't the OP it was Simmonz.
 
LOL! It's a Linux guy calling others liars in this thread over something I didn't initially bring up. Don't want to talk about a subject, then don't bring it up.
 
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heatlesssun said:
I see the reasoning here but the focus in on the OS and not gaming. I just don't see that many people that are into gaming moving to Linux if they are into gaming. As for Windows 7 and gaming, I've not gamed on Windows 7 in about three years but there are gaps even now. While still getting the overwhelming majority of content, being a VR user I would have missed out on Superhot VR. Just finished that last night, about the most pure fun I've yet had with a VR game. Windows 10 is also a fine gaming platform and a bit better at the leading edge and that gap is going to just keep getting wider and new gaming PCs coming online are probably overwhelmingly Windows 10 now.



Whatever happens over the next few years I doubt there's going to be any seismic changes in PC gaming platform market share unless there's just something killer for gamers under Linux. If it's just the same get little new content and under performing ports months later nothing much is going to change.



That may be true. I really don't consider the OS as there's no need under Windows. But I've been supporting VR developers a lot these days.
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heatlesssun said:
LOL! It's a Linux guy calling others liars in this thread over something I didn't initially bring up. Don't want to talk about a subject, then don't bring it up.
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Who did I call a liar?

Two of you were under the misconception that developers only care about market share, however it's obvious that due to the fact that you cannot compete with Windows based around market share alone and developers are still porting to Linux the reality is not as simplistic. Sorry to point out the bleeding obvious.
 
BulletDust said:
Who did I call a liar?

Two of you were under the misconception that developers only care about market share, however it's obvious that due to the fact that you cannot compete with Windows based around market share alone and developers are still porting to Linux the reality is not as simplistic. Sorry to point out the bleeding obvious.
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he is probably referring to me, but well... if he will continually talk out of his arse he will get called a liar

I can't think of any other label that is appropriate... He stated the OP 1st brought up VR. That is an outright lie.
Simmonz only mentioned VR in that his setup supports in post #6.
It was post #7 that the topic of VR 1st really came out & guess who's post that is
 
His distaste for Linux gaming is obvious, yet he frequents the Linux forums posting in gaming threads?
 
The hilarity in all of this to me is that someone else brings up VR, then people that obviously haven't touched it go on and on about it for whatever reason. I have this distaste for Linux but spent far more time setting up leading edge stuff like VR to work under it than people saying nonsense have even attempted. I can see for myself what the state of that is with a well now Linux guru saying exactly the same things I did regarding the current level of Linux Steam VR immaturity yet somehow I hate Linux?

This stuff just makes me laugh sometimes. I have this hatred of Linux while spending time trying to get expensive top end stuff working with it that's rare even but Linux standards? I can't help but get a kick out of some Linux folks blasting me over Linux with something under Linux they've never attempted to do.
 
heatlesssun said:
The hilarity in all of this to me is that someone else brings up VR, then people that obviously haven't touched it go on and on about it for whatever reason. I have this distaste for Linux but spent far more time setting up leading edge stuff like VR to work under it than people saying nonsense have even attempted. I can see for myself what the state of that is with a well now Linux guru saying exactly the same things I did regarding the current level of Linux Steam VR immaturity yet somehow I hate Linux?

This stuff just makes me laugh sometimes. I have this hatred of Linux while spending time trying to get expensive top end stuff working with it that's rare even but Linux standards? I can't help but get a kick out of some Linux folks blasting me over Linux with something under Linux they've never attempted to do.
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And yet you blatantly ignore that Linux gaming has grown in popularity due to comparable growth with a platform that has been the only PC based platform supporting gaming since the inception of the IBM PC clone, and then you argue with Linux users that state otherwise by claiming that they oversell Linux!

Go away, no one gives a crap about VR and you know little about Linux.
 
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BulletDust said:
And yet you blatantly ignore that Linux gaming is growing in popularity due to comparable growth with a platform that has been the only PC based platform supporting gaming since the inception of the IBM PC clone and argue with Linux users that claim otherwise by claiming that they oversell Linux!

Go away, no one gives a crap about VR and you know little about Linux.
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I've never denied any such thing. But if Steam is growing and that's causing Linux gaming to grow the same would apply to Windows as well the absolute numbers would be much greater. That's just how math works. And if there is this great growth in Linux gaming there shouldn't be situations like the point of this thread, bad Windows ports. There should be more content that's at least optimized.

I get giving it more time and all but for how long? I get blasted talking about VR when others bring it up but that's a market that came from nowhere and is now getting more new gaming content than Linux. A market that just came online in 2016, is a smaller market than desktop Linux according to Steam's survey but already dead according to some Linux supporters? Right. It's not that Linux gaming isn't improving from what it was but relative to other things isn't just as behind as ever. Whatever Linux gaming growth that's occurring isn't happening in a vacuum.
 
heatlesssun said:
I've never denied any such thing. But if Steam is growing and that's causing Linux gaming to grow the same would apply to Windows as well the absolute numbers would be much greater. That's just how math works. And if there is this great growth in Linux gaming there shouldn't be situations like the point of this thread, bad Windows ports. There should be more content that's at least optimized.

I get giving it more time and all but for how long? I get blasted talking about VR when other bring it up but there's a market that came from nowhere and is now getting more new gaming content than Linux. A market that just came online in 2016 and yet is a smaller market than desktop Linux according to Steams survey. It's not that Linux gaming isn't improving from what it was but relative to other things isn't just as behind as ever. Whatever Linux gaming growth that's occurring isn't happening in a vacuum.
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And once again, who cares!

You just cannot grasp the concept that the point of Linux is to get away from Windows, comparing the growth of the two platforms is a waste of time as the people jumping ship don't care about Windows.

And bullshit you never denied such a thing, you claim all the time that "Gaww, Windows folk are always overselling the capabilities of Linux!" And the whole time you preach about how the only OS you'll run is Windows, all you care about is Windows! Windows is all everyone needs!

More time? I don't know? Windows has had a good 20 year advantage? Perhaps another 10 years considering the advancements Linux has enjoyed in that time? The way MS is going you'll be lucky if Windows is even around in another ten years time!

Go away.
 
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BulletDust said:
You just cannot grasp the concept that the point of Linux is to get away from Windows, comparing the growth of the two platforms is a waste of time as the people jumping ship don't care about Windows.
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I've never argued this, what I have argued is what does that matter to people who want to play games or do whatever else they want to with their PCs? People who want to run Linux are going to run it. That's obvious. People who want to play whatever game they want to will do that as well and again it's obvious.

BulletDust said:
And bullshit you never denied such a thing, you claim all the time that "Gaww, Windows folk are always overselling the capabilities of Linux!" And the whole time you preach about how the only OS you'll run is Windows, all you care about is Windows! Windows is all everyone needs!
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Yes, when it comes to gaming some Linux folks either oversell Linux or dismiss gaming. Saying that Linux supports VR at this time is overselling it. But then, oh it's in beta. Or it doesn't matter how well a game performs because who cares? Linux is fine for gaming as long as one just accepts what's there and cares about nothing else.

BulletDust said:
The way MS is going you'll be lucky if Windows is even around in another ten years time!
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Fine. I'll just start using Linux and throw away whatever it doesn't support if that times comes. Hell according to ChadD VR is already dead, I'll just through my Vive in the garbage right now. Though I wish I hadn't just spent $150 on those VR titles in the Steam Summer Sale.

Only someone with extreme bias would say something as unrealistic as you just did. But I'll take it as a joke. Honestly, even with nonsensical accusations of others making ridiculous accusations of lying, people in this thread are using exactly what they want for every good reasons.
 
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heatlesssun said:
Yes, when it comes to gaming some Linux folks either oversell Linux or dismiss gaming. Saying that Linux supports VR at this time is overselling it. But then, oh it's in beta. Or it doesn't matter how well a game performs because who cares? Linux is fine for gaming as long as one just accepts what's there and cares about nothing else.
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No one's overselling anything, we're all posting personal experience that Windows 'folk' believe should be negative and class as bullshit when it isn't. When they don't read enough negativity, they burn a Linux ISO or ten and start dumping on Linux in an attempt to generate negativity by exaggerating issues present under any OS that are usually a result of the users actions. It's obvious they aren't interested in adopting Linux, it's reflected in their context and the fact they never ask for assistance before dumping on supposed issues.

I use Linux. I game, I use my PC for everything most people use their PC's for, in fact as an advanced PC user my needs are higher than the average PC user - My experience is faultless.

Who are you to claim I'm overselling anything? You are not superior because you use Windows.

heatlesssun said:
Only someone with extreme bias would say something as unrealistic as you just did.
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Except it's not unrealistic! That's the reality that you refuse to comprehend! All throughout tech history companies on a pedistal have fallen, companies just as big as Microsoft. If Microsoft keep going down the path they're on, I accept the fact that the same may happen to the Windows product or MS as a whole. They gave their OS away for free, every other product they offer, naturally with the exception of hardware (which it now appears is unfixable), is subscription based, they've openly claimed there is nothing after Windows 10 - If they plan on never charging for Windows again they may as well open source it, but they're not! Therefore the possibility exists that they plan to get everyone on the same platform and then charge a subscription for their latest operating system. If that time comes, people will leave Microsoft's platform.

I am tired of being told I'm overselling Linux, I'm tired of the implication I'm lying, I'm tired of Windows users believing their opinion holds merit because they use Windows! How stupid is that?! "I use Windows, so I'm not lying!"...."Don't shoot the messenger, I'm just telling it how it is, because I use Windows!"....

Go Away, go post in your VR forum with your [H] leader.
 
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But the Kids... I mean VR. Don't forget about the VR. lol

Heatle yes I'm biting again. We have went around this tree for months at this point.

You stick to your windows. Enjoy it while you can, I'm sure your checks aren't going to bounce anytime soon, MS is still solvent today.

MS has already lost to Linux. The open source movement has crept into everything. We have already won. The internet rose up and has made MS irrelevant. Google and Amazon have done what Apple and Novel and Corel and every other company that has attempted to stop MS have not done. They have made MS completely irrelevant. If you believe windows will be around in 10 years I think you should buy a ton of MS stock... because it would mean whatever they do to stick around is going to be huge, it will have to be.

They have been driven out of mobile... they have lost hold of markets like Education that they have had locked down for years. If you had told me just 4-5 years ago that MS would ever loose hold of the Education market like they have with less then 20% of the market now. I, Mr. Linux would have called you a crackpot. They had those site licences locked down so tight and the entire Market sold on MS so hard I thought even if Bill Gates turned out to be a serial killer Windows and Education would always just be.

MS is clutching now the consumer space is abandoning the desktop completely. Education has already left. Their corporate clients are the next thing they are going to have to clutch on to... and I really don't see it happening. Chances are Google is going to invade that market next and in a few years, I won't be saying I would have called you crazy for suggesting MS could loose hold of their corporate (previous) cash cow. I say previous cause according to their last couple years of financial reports Advertising is now their cash cow, by the end of this year advertising is going to become their largest single source of income. So as I see it over the next few years as fewer people use windows, they will need to jack those advertising bucks up to not show losses... likely they are going to feed the beast. The more people that stop using windows the more MS will have to annoy those left with Ads, driving yet more people away.... its not going to end well for MS.

They will survive... they have other offerings like their cloud stuff. They are going to hang around for a very very long time... the years of them being the dominate Tech player though are already well in the rear view. Windows is a doomed product... unless they pull some insanely revolutionary mobile windows out of their butts and somehow retake mobile. (good luck with that).
 
BulletDust said:
I use Linux. I game, I use my PC for everything most people use their PC's for, in fact as an advanced PC user my needs are higher than the average PC user - My experience is faultless.
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I never said anything what your experience was. I said you simply don't do thing what I do where I know perfectly well were the experience isn't faultless.

BulletDust said:
Who are you to claim I'm overselling anything? You are not superior because you use Windows.
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Linux at this point isn't worth calling Steam VR compatible. It's in beta or whatever and that's fine. Telling someone who has it setup for Linux that it's a faultless experience is silly.

BulletDust said:
Except it's not unrealistic! That's the reality that you refuse to comprehend! All throughout tech history companies on a pedistal have fallen, companies just as big as Microsoft.
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Sure, so Microsoft is failing on the desktop, even in gaming while expanding into new territory in gaming that competitors are well behind while not even keeping up with current stuff? Just from a gaming sense, Linux get's fewer titles, AAA titles are very rare, this thread was about Linux ports that don't run nearly as well as Windows. So everyone should just put Linux on a pedestal as the future of PC gaming when it's well behind in the present and future of PC gaming?

BulletDust said:
If Microsoft keep going down the path they're on, I accept the fact that the same may happen to Microsoft. They gave their OS away for free, every other product they offer, naturally with the exception of hardware (which it now appears is unfixable), is subscription based, they've openly claimed there is nothing after Windows 10 - If they plan on never charging for Windows again they may as well open source it, but they're not! Therefore they plan to get everyone on the same platform and then charge a subscription for their latest operating system. If that time comes, people will leave Microsoft's platform.
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Ok. So what Linux hardware that's just like Surface devices is easy to fix and can't run Windows?

BulletDust said:
I am tired of being told I'm overselling Linux, I'm tired of the implication I'm lying,
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And I'm tired of being told how Linux is Steam VR compatible when I took the time to set it up, you haven't, and I know just how far behind it is.

I'm tired of Windows users believing their opinion holds merit because they use Windows! How stupid is that?! "I use Windows, so I'm not lying!"...."Don't shoot the messenger, I'm just telling it how it is, because I use Windows!"....

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ChadD said:
You stick to your windows. Enjoy it while you can, I'm sure your checks aren't going to bounce anytime soon, MS is still solvent today.
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I have Ubuntu 17.04 setups on my sig rig and a Surface Pro 3. I've been hearing what you're saying for 20 years. Microsoft has more cash than ever and is at record valuation. Just as I'm sure you've always predicted before their downfall.

I get that things are like 20 years ago, why the hell do you think I'd try to setup VR under Linux? Really, mouse scrolling speed? That's not even worth a debate in a place like this. If I'm going to use Linux as a desktop host, I want to see what it really can do.
 
naib said:
he is probably referring to me, but well... if he will continually talk out of his arse he will get called a liar

I can't think of any other label that is appropriate... He stated the OP 1st brought up VR. That is an outright lie.
Simmonz only mentioned VR in that his setup supports in post #6.
It was post #7 that the topic of VR 1st really came out & guess who's post that is
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Yeah that's correct I only mentioned VR later on in referring to people can still have a fully functional gaming system using Windows 7 which would also still support VR.
 
Simmonz said:
Yeah that's correct I only mentioned VR later on in referring to people can still have a fully functional gaming system using Windows 7 which would also still support VR.
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And I simply pointed out that Windows 7 isn't not 100% compatible with all Windows VR titles. I have a several now with Superhot VR which I thought was amazing which aren't compatible with Windows 7. Windows 10 is the best platform for modern PC gaming, which is why every major PC hardware review site, including this one, is currently using Windows 10.
 
heatlesssun said:
I have Ubuntu 17.04 setups on my sig rig and a Surface Pro 3. I've been hearing what you're saying for 20 years. Microsoft has more cash than ever and is at record valuation. Just as I'm sure you've always predicted before their downfall.

I get that things are like 20 years ago, why the hell do you think I'd try to setup VR under Linux? Really, mouse scrolling speed? That's not even worth a debate in a place like this. If I'm going to use Linux as a desktop host, I want to see what it really can do.
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I never predicted their downfall 10 or 20 years ago... if you read what I wrote I still wasn't predicting it today. MS isn't going to go away anymore then IBM did when they got chased from the consumer space. MS will evolve I have no doubt... into an internet advertising and cloud service provider. Don't get me wrong I am not sure how the advertising business is going to continue raking it in when they don't have a dominant OS to funnel users to their services... but I am sure they will adapt. On the cloud service front... they have some stiff competition in that field still they seem to have clawed themselves a foot hold if they can hold it. No my friend read what I wrote. I am not claiming doom for MS I'm claiming doom for their operating system, MS has made windows honestly a pretty small part of what they do these days when it comes to the tally sheets, I do wonder how much of that revenue is directly tied to the OS... I have a feeling over the next 5-10 years we will find out. MS will evolve, companies in their position are rarely given a choice in the matter.

As for mouse scrolling what are you guys all smoking exactly. Mouse scrolling speed has nothing at all to do with an operating system... damn go into your softwares settings and change it if you find the default to slow. lol If we are talking about the vivaldi browser... I think someone already mentioned the fix, the creators never included a scrolling speed adjustment but you can add it with a chrome plug in.
 
heatlesssun said:
And I'm tired of being told how Linux is Steam VR compatible when I took the time to set it up, you haven't, and I know just how far behind it is.
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So you expect me to waste money on a VR headset just so I can prove my worth to you? Even though no one's seen, or cares, for any of your Linux VR experience?

My mouse scrolling speed is outstanding, furthermore I've provided evidence of how good it is, it isn't even debatable - Just another example of the laughable belief that as a Linux user I'm exaggerating and the Windows user is telling it how it is! We don't care about what you believe to be the most awesome gaming OS ever, nor does anyone looking to get away from Windows.

More choice is a great thing, awareness of Linux is growing, Linux is a perfectly polished OS - The year of the Linux desktop that you've been hearing about for the last 20 years is whenever the individual is ready to let go of Windows. In my case if there was no advantage to running Linux I wouldn't run it, and yet I do run it, with this Linux PC I achieve everything I need to achieve and more every single day. Including a relaxing game on a regular basis.

What Ferel and many other developers are doing for Linux is truly remarkable and highlights that there is hope in a modern age driven by the purest form of greed. There are still coders out there motivated by what they love and willing to give back to the community.

You're not that important mate. Go away and let people discuss their OS of choice, this isn't a thread about VR. ;)
 
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So you expect me to waste money on a VR headset just so I can prove my worth to you? Even though no one's seen, or cares, for any of your Linux VR experience?
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LOL! Just so much vitriol from someone whose tried something under Linux that you haven't. I'm not expecting anything of you or anyone else. It's just funny to hear you preach about learning and experimenting and you just get nasty about it when people actually do with Linux.

BulletDust said:
My mouse scrolling speed is outstanding, furthermore I've provided evidence of how good it is, it isn't even debatable - Just another example of the laughable belief that as a Linux user I'm exaggerating and the Windows user is telling it how it is! We don't care about what you believe to be the most awesome gaming OS ever, nor does anyone looking to get away from Windows.
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And I never argued anything about that.

BulletDust said:
The year of the Linux desktop that you've been hearing about for the last 20 years is whenever the individual is ready to let go of Windows.
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For a lot of folks it's got nothing to do about letting Windows go. If Windows is a bad as you say then a superior replacement should be able to support everything that Windows supports and more.

BulletDust said:
In my case if there was no advantage to running Linux I wouldn't run it, and yet I do run it, with this Linux PC I achieve everything I need to achieve and more every single day. Including a relaxing game on a regular basis.
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And if desktop Linux provided the same advantages to all PC gamers many more would be using Linux.

BulletDust said:
You're not that important mate.
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And what makes you important to anyone here? LOL! This is silly nonsense in an anonymous forum.
 
VR is only good for porn at the moment heatlessun. Is that why you, too, are an early 'adopter'?

What I hate about VR is that you can't see or hear if someone walks in the room when you 'watch' VR.

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B00nie said:
VR is only good for porn at the moment heatlessun. Is that why you, too, are an early 'adopter'?

What I hate about VR is that you can't see or hear if someone walks in the room when you 'watch' VR.

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Hmmm perhaps Oculus and HTC should sign a deal with Schlage or Master Lock to bundle VR door bolts.
 
I don't know if the dev/publisher team are necessarily entirely to blame.

Gaming on Linux has come a long way in a short time. No disputing that. But it still has a long way to go.

I was very excited about SteamOS - not because it was Yet-Another-Linux-Distro, but because it could finally be ~a distro~ that publishers could more or less standardize around. And that Valve may have the weight and momentum to get GPU manufacturers to release timely and well performing driver updates. And Valve is a large enough company that they could have thrown some resources behind a lot of the usability issues that have kept Linux from becoming mainstream. But that seems to have died off.

That hasn't happened. Linux isn't nearly as fragmented as it once was, but it's still fragmented. And that has made it very difficult for it to gain traction. It's moving forward, but I don't think Feral Interactive is entirely to blame for the slow pace because Linux the platform still has a lot of issues.
 
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