Skylake-X (Core i9) - Lineup, Specifications and Reviews!

TaintedSquirrel said:
Ryzen will have a good few months until Coffee Lake decimates it this fall, afterwards we will get treated to weeks of "Thanks AMD" and "Wait for Ryzen2" posts.
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You know some of us are quite happy with what we have and dont actually care if you like it or not. You want a Intel then that is fine with me, so why do you care some people are happy with Ryzen? Coffee Lake is unlikely to do anything other then give Intel a better value then then their usual of being massively over priced. Ryzen will have a update next year and will see what it does and Intel might finally get their 10nm ready for show. Should be interesting times, but it seems some just want to be bitter rather then enjoy all the new stuff coming out.
 
do anything other then give Intel a better value then then their usual of being massively over priced
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I expect it will force AMD to reduce the price of the 1800X.
 
Gideon said:
You know some of us are quite happy with what we have and dont actually care if you like it or not. You want a Intel then that is fine with me, so why do you care some people are happy with Ryzen? Coffee Lake is unlikely to do anything other then give Intel a better value then then their usual of being massively over priced. Ryzen will have a update next year and will see what it does and Intel might finally get their 10nm ready for show. Should be interesting times, but it seems some just want to be bitter rather then enjoy all the new stuff coming out.
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You don't find it interesting that all the "Thanks AMD" rhetoric grinded to a halt as soon as we found out the X series was non-soldered, mobos had diced up PCI-E lanes and hardware DLC features? People saw the price and went full throttle until the specs actually came out. You can be 'happy with what you have' without turning all of Intel's moves into a desperate response to AMD. It's tiresome.
 
TaintedSquirrel said:
You don't find it interesting that all the "Thanks AMD" rhetoric grinded to a halt as soon as we found out the X series was non-soldered, mobos had diced up PCI-E lanes and hardware DLC features? People saw the price and went full throttle until the specs actually came out. You can be 'happy with what you have' without turning all of Intel's moves into a desperate response to AMD. It's tiresome.
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Not really, but I guess cause I really dont care. Simple fact is Intel reacted to what AMD is doing for the first time in a long time, competition is good. I would say Intel thinks their loyal fans will buy any steaming pile they put out and who knows maybe they will be right. You want frustrating, try having a conversation with Shintai and his good buddy Juanrga. If you cant handle the fanboys you will keep finding the forums pretty rough. I mean I am just happy when they stay on the Intel side instead of telling me what is wrong with my platform that they dont use at all. Right now there are pros and cons to each maker of chips and the good thing is for the first time in awhile we have a choice of which cpu we want and what pros and cons we want. Some just cant handle that.
 
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Gideon said:
Simple fact is Intel reacted to what AMD is doing for the first time in a long time,
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If that's their reaction then AMD really should have just went bankrupt instead. Maybe we would have soldered LCCs and 40 lanes on $600 SKUs then /sarcasm
 
I say that the > 12C are Intel's reaction. However most of the other stuff on the X299 platform makes me believe Intel is not counting on TR being that much of a threat. If they did they would not play these games with the PCIe lanes and other attempts of segmentation..
 
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realworld said:
I didn't even realize the overshadowed 7800x is beating the 1800x in many different applications. Holy shit.
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Not really a surprise. A 7700k will matca 1600x in many benchmarks as well with higher clocks and better IPC.
Really, the 1800x should never be considered by this audiance. The 1700x will do juat as much for far less.
 
lolfail9001 said:
If that's their reaction then AMD really should have just went bankrupt instead. Maybe we would have soldered LCCs and 40 lanes on $600 SKUs then /sarcasm
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Like I said they are betting you will buy whatever pile of crap they serve you. The reaction is the I9 brand and the 12c and above.
 
Gideon said:
Like I said they are betting you will buy whatever pile of crap they serve you. The reaction is the I9 brand and the 12c and above.
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I mean, if that is pile of crap then what does it make Ryzen? And yeah, that reaction is pure marketing is all there is to say. Oh, and just in case, Skylake-W would go to TR or not.
 
drescherjm said:
I say that the > 12C are Intel's reaction. However most of the other stuff on the X299 platform makes me believe Intel is not counting on TR being that much of a threat. If they did they would not play these games with the PCIe lanes and other attempts of segmentation..
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I think most of what X299 is was finalized long before Threadripper was a known entity. Now that Threadripper is something tangible, Intel has a real task to modify it to compete.
 
lolfail9001 said:
I mean, if that is pile of crap then what does it make Ryzen? And yeah, that reaction is pure marketing is all there is to say. Oh, and just in case, Skylake-W would go to TR or not.
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When is the last time we saw AMD use less power then Intel and nearly perform the same? Intel managed to up the clocks some and that cost comes at massive power usage and heat. If that is fine with you then by all means buy it. Threadripper is the contender to Intel on HEDT platform and will see how it does when it come out, either way it will cost half of the Intel chips and if it performs close or better it will hurt Intel. It's a meh launch from Intel and it's shown by media coverage of it. Plus the X299 is just as bugged as the Ryzen motherboards so far, all kinds of issues. So yes I find Intels x299 and processors for it kind of meh and I was not expecting a lot from them and still it's disappointing launch for me anyway.
 
Shintai said:
X299 was finalized in 2015 with the Basin Falls and Purley announce.
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And in 2015, the words "competitive AMD" likely elicited a great deal of snickers and laughter from the marketing teams at Intel.

Quite a bit less so today, I imagine...;)
 
lutjens said:
And in 2015, the words "competitive AMD" likely elicited a great deal of snickers and laughter from the marketing teams at Intel.

Quite a bit less so today, I imagine...;)
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The competitive landscape haven't changed.
 
You'd better lay off the sauce...or at least have the decency to share...whatever you're on is clearly the good stuff...;)
 
lutjens said:
You'd better lay off the sauce...or at least have the decency to share...whatever you're on is clearly the good stuff...;)
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Let me know when you wish to show the change in the financials from the 2 companies. Until then its more likely wishful dreams of yours. Specially considering the statement and outlook from AMD for the full year.
 
Shintai said:
Let me know when you wish to show the change in the financials from the 2 companies. Until then its more likely wishful dreams of yours. Specially considering the statement and outlook from AMD for the full year.
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Do you think that increased competition and competitive products manifest themselves in financial results overnight? AMD stock price is up a huge percentage since last year. EPYC just launched TODAY!! Only a moron whose IQ is equal to their shoe size would say that AMD and their new products aren't more competitive than they were in 2015. If your type of denial of reality is a consistent attitude at Intel (and I doubt it is, as Intel is clearly trying to react and compete with products like Threadripper) then current missteps are doomed to be repeated.
 
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Can you guys grow up with the Intel vs AMD crap?

I think Intel released a bad product with x299. They are not a bad company, they just made a poor PRODUCT.

This is just my take from looking at the reviews and specs. I am not going to compare it to TR since it has not been released but I will compare it to x99, which is the predecessor.

The new generation of hardware is suppose to be better than the old. That was always a given. This seems to be one step forward and one step back.

It loses to Broadwell way too often.
When it does beat it, power consumption is often way higher than the gains in performance. Overclocking with exotic solutions gives up to 500 mhz increase, but even ethusiast solutions will usually only be 200 mhz higher than x99 due to the heat. Then there is the pci-e gimping.

The best gain here was the price drop, but we will bring TR into the discussion...
 
Gideon said:
Not really, but I guess cause I really dont care. Simple fact is Intel reacted to what AMD is doing for the first time in a long time, competition is good. I would say Intel thinks their loyal fans will buy any steaming pile they put out and who knows maybe they will be right. You want frustrating, try having a conversation with Shintai and his good buddy Juanrga. If you cant handle the fanboys you will keep finding the forums pretty rough. I mean I am just happy when they stay on the Intel side instead of telling me what is wrong with my platform that they dont use at all. Right now there are pros and cons to each maker of chips and the good thing is for the first time in awhile we have a choice of which cpu we want and what pros and cons we want. Some just cant handle that.
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You have evidence that isn't anecdotal to back up that "simple fact?"
 
3dmark, vrmark, AotS, several games, Adobe cc, winrar to name a few. Just going off of the links Sweeper sent so I am not sure why so many others shared your confusion.
 
The only benches that Skylake-X loses to Broadwell-E are those that favor large amounts of L3 cache...at least that's how it appeared to me in the reviews.

X299 has it merits, but is hamstrung by excessive segmentation. Intel would be better off combining the features of Skylake-W and X and stop with the excessive segmentation. All chips should also have the top speed of memory that it's controller supports enabled, the full amount of PCI-E lanes available on the die enabled and features like ECC/vPro/TXT enabled. Corners like the use of solder shouldn't be cut. I was watching the Linus Tech tips video clip of his thoughts regarding X299's launch and fully agree with one line he mentioned...Intel needs to focus on making the best chips possible. They need to stop with this "let's see how many features we can cut" strategy. AMD gets it and I think they'll be handsomely rewarded for it. Hopefully, Intel learns to do likewise.
 
I also said way too often and NOT just often. Often means I am claiming it loses more time than not. When comparing to an older generation, TOO often means it loses more than the rare exception.

eg. John beats his wife often (5 times a month?) is always worse than John beats his wife WAY too often (could be once a month)
 
Nihilus1 said:
3dmark, vrmark, AotS, several games, Adobe cc, winrar to name a few. Just going off of the links Sweeper sent so I am not sure why so many others shared your confusion.
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Yeah I dont know why they are playing dumb as I saw Broadwell coming out ahead in some cases just from skimming through a few reviews. Even Anandtech mentioned it was 25% slower or more in some games than what should have been expected which of course would have the Broadwell cpus easily coming out ahead.
 
Nihilus1 said:
3dmark, vrmark, AotS, several games
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Is it CPU or is it buggy BIOS? For now i don't know, hell, TweakTown of all sites managed to sneak in benchmarks with new BIOS and it looks alright to me and tom's performance looks inconsistent as hell. Sure, i won't deny that there will certainly be workloads that will prefer 10 more MB of L3 available on 6950X over 750kb of L2. But for time being, i can't differentiate A from B, especially seeing how in half of workloads 7900k stomps Broadwell into the ground (with MCE disabled on both).
 
TaintedSquirrel said:
You don't find it interesting that all the "Thanks AMD" rhetoric grinded to a halt as soon as we found out the X series was non-soldered, mobos had diced up PCI-E lanes and hardware DLC features? People saw the price and went full throttle until the specs actually came out. You can be 'happy with what you have' without turning all of Intel's moves into a desperate response to AMD. It's tiresome.
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Someone is catching feelings by the dozen, the simple fact that you feel the need to vindicate one imperfect corporate over another and think that there is really a side to be on makes you a fanboy.

I may need to borrow you my rawlings 13" glove, so you can keep on catching those feelings in the meantime.
 
lolfail9001 said:
Is it CPU or is it buggy BIOS? For now i don't know, hell, TweakTown of all sites managed to sneak in benchmarks with new BIOS and it looks alright to me and tom's performance looks inconsistent as hell. Sure, i won't deny that there will certainly be workloads that will prefer 10 more MB of L3 available on 6950X over 750kb of L2. But for time being, i can't differentiate A from B, especially seeing how in half of workloads 7900k stomps Broadwell into the ground (with MCE disabled on both).
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Rumour has it that some BIOSes ran with lower L3 clock and turbo/VID issues. Hence the inconsistency between sites. There was new BIOSes just as late as the weekend and far from all reviewers tested with new.
 
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TahoeDust said:
You Broadwell boys need to look through tweektown's updated benchmarks...

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/8225/intel-core-i9-7900x-series-skylake-cpu-review/index.html

There were issues with some of the early Bios some testers were using.
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Anandtech and Toms review was alot more robust. Tweak town had RE5 and GTA 5 which seemed more gpu dependent even at lower res.
Not sure if the new bios helped in the productivity field.

Inconsistency of Tom's was mentioned. Is that a knock on their review practice or a praise for using such a variety of software?
 
Nihilus1 said:
Inconsistency of Tom's was mentioned. Is that a knock on their review practice or a praise for using such a variety of software?
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It's a hint that with BIOS issues being documented tom's review being inconsistent should be a sign to wait before jumping to conclusions. After all, no platform has ever suffered from waiting for initial crap to be sorted out.
 
I thought BIOS updates don't improve performance much, or is that only when the left shoe is on?
 
OrangeKhrush said:
I thought BIOS updates don't improve performance much, or is that only when the left shoe is on?
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They don't improve performance but they fix some of the bugs.

In this case there is a report we're dealing with a bug, because it has already multiplied performance by 2.5 in certain benchmark.

Good luck finding a Ryzen BIOS update that does anything similar :p
 
lolfail9001 said:
They don't improve performance but they fix some of the bugs.

In this case there is a report we're dealing with a bug, because it has already multiplied performance by 2.5 in certain benchmark.

Good luck finding a Ryzen BIOS update that does anything similar :p
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I guess if you want to skin your cat that way, ultimately stability and performance go hand in hand.

The greater picture here is that it was equally overhyped and under delivered thought the price points make it mindblowing
 
OrangeKhrush said:
The greater picture here is that it was equally overhyped and under delivered thought the price points make it mindblowing
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If there's one thing Skylake-X didn't do it is get overhyped, you know.

Underdeliver? Arguable, but you could make this point and in case of 7900X i would even agree with it.

OrangeKhrush said:
I guess if you want to skin your cat that way, ultimately stability and performance go hand in hand.
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I wonder what that says about Ryzen... jk.
 
OrangeKhrush said:
I guess if you want to skin your cat that way, ultimately stability and performance go hand in hand.

The greater picture here is that it was equally overhyped and under delivered thought the price points make it mindblowing
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He is only ok with it cause it's Intel, He railed on AMD for having issues with Ryzen tho. But this whole launch feels rushed by Intel.
 
Gideon said:
He is only ok with it cause it's Intel, He railed on AMD for having issues with Ryzen tho. But this whole launch feels rushed by Intel.
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I rail on Intel for half-assing AVX-512 offset, making overclocking 7900x borderline impossible if you are to run AVX-512 stuff.

As for this, i am okay with it because unlike AMD Intel had some decency to lift NDA together with pre-orders opening.
 
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