Which is probably just as bad for you.
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Students Lose Harvard Acceptance for Posting "Obscene" Memes on Facebook
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Which is probably just as bad for you.
rezerekted
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Facebook is a University requirement now. /s
I agree with you really. This here is an Ivy League private institution that's not short of cash who's grabbing public funding and is really only beholden to itself.
While I agree with you, I also feel part of the problem comes down to having conflicting/incompatible cultural rules in our society. When parents cater towards their kids every whim, because they're special, of course they're going to grow up a spoiled brat thinking they can get away with anything. And then they hit the real world, and are in for a ton of hurt with the culture shock that there are consequences to their actions. They need to be learning these consequences far sooner than before they hit college with parents who are allowed to discipline their kids.
Other than allowing extended family members to stay in touch or keeping each other updated, I agree. I do not use FB. My wife, however, does. It is her job to keep me updated on what is going on with my family. Though if she got rid of FB, I wouldn't complain.
Vader1975
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I laughed at this too. The mentality that you can say and do whatever you want online and it won't come back to haunt you in the real world has been drilled into the minds of kiddies everywhere. They get away with so much crap on games and streams that they make that poor judgment part of their lives. Then they forget they are on an account that is attached to their real names and BOOM... no Harvard for you or you are walked to HR and no Job for you.
We breed trolls online and sometimes... a troll gets busted.
We breed trolls online and sometimes... a troll gets busted.
To add to this, I feel like many of the people complaining about free speech or that they should not be accountable for their actions outside of school would be among the first people to argue that merit should be the only deciding factor in who gets admission or hired for a new job. This is a case where these individuals indicated that they are below the merit requirements for Harvard. Just as if they had turned in an incomprehensible admission essay.
Are people going to argue that trolls are now a protected class and deserving of some sort of affirmative action admission quota?
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OK Denying something that is fact is NOT opinion. I can't have an OPINION that water isn't made from H2O. I can be WRONG. But being WRONG isn't a damn opinion. Things I can have an opinion about. "the weather is nice." Sure.. That's an opinion. Maybe you have a migraine and sunshine makes your head throb. So in my OPINION the weather is nice but to you it isn't. If I were to say something like. "Climate change isn't happening." That isn't an opinion. It's just WRONG. Science has proven this. History has proven the Holocost happened. If you state. "I believe the Holocost didn't happen" then you are wrong.
Couching being wrong as an opinion does not make it irrefutable. IT just means you don't know what an opinion is.
Gigus Fire
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Just going to state here that this is not my own opinions on the matter before i begin.
I'm not going to address h20.
With climate change, i specifically said man made climate change. Climate changes all the time. There's ice samples we can use to reference the past climate of the planet. There's rock samples that showed that we had an ice age. We have historical records of average temps around the world for the past 1000 years we can reference.
When someone says "We can't know the precise effect that man has made changes to the climate", where and how is that statement wrong? I have never seen a definitive % or amount in degrees that says if man wasn't around, the temperate would be this.
If someone were to say that, they would be considered a climate change denier. The term used today means you don't fully agree that man is 100% responsible for the current climate change.
Same thing with the holocaust. If someone says "I agree the holocaust happened, but i'm not too sure about the actual amounts of people killed", they're labeled as a holocaust denier.
Wikipedia puts it like this "Holocaust denial is the act of denying the genocide of Jews and other groups in the Holocaust during World War II.[1] Holocaust denial often includes the following claims: that Nazi Germany's Final Solution was aimed only at deporting Jews from the Reich, but that it did not include the extermination of Jews; that Nazi authorities did not use extermination camps and gas chambers to mass murder Jews; or that the actual number of Jews killed was significantly lower than the historically accepted figure of 5 to 6 million, typically around a tenth of that figure.[2][3][4]"
So the word denier isn't quite being used as per the dictionary definition, it's anything that isn't considered mainstream.
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Interesting commentary but I see your point. I believe the Holocaust happened but think the numbers reported are actually smaller than what really happened and think a lot more Gypsies were murdered then we know about. So it is my opinion that the Holocaust was actually worse than advertised due to bad record keeping and millions killed in random locations that were not sent to camps.
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We as humans don't seem to think anymore. We choose a side or label someone else. This binary thought is really frustrating that either you support something or you oppose it 100%, left or right, red or blue etc etc. We can't seem to fathom that there are other paths or choices that lie in the middle somewhere. And every binary choice is an extreme polar opposite of the other.
I blame everything lol, our whole lives are based on multiple choice questions/answers, we aren't required to think up our answers anymore.
Remember only the sith deal with absolutes.
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I dunno. If the students aren't committing crimes then why police them? It's a slippery slope when offensive speech is used as a way to punish them. It will only lead down a bad path where people will not be free to talk about things the want to, and at a university, that's a bad place to be.
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Fuck Harvard and Fuck PC. Kids need to be left alone to be Kids, not corporate fucking robots.
It's half of what's wrong with this world.
Don't buy guns, have an iphone, and spend your life texting. Oh, and don't forget the hoodie. We need to break out of this kid funk we're in.
And for gods sake rescued them a puppy. It's well known that kids with pets aren't as screwed up.
It's half of what's wrong with this world.
Don't buy guns, have an iphone, and spend your life texting. Oh, and don't forget the hoodie. We need to break out of this kid funk we're in.
And for gods sake rescued them a puppy. It's well known that kids with pets aren't as screwed up.
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HFCS is the Devils Piss.
I subscribe to a theory: CFS. It's way more of an accurate portrayal of what "PC" started off as vs what it has become.
It stands for Common Fucking Sense. These "kids" (as they are likely adults now, let's remember) didn't practice CFS - as such, they just felt the repercussions of their actions. Can't really argue that.
These adults signed up to be "corporate fucking robots", and when they didn't meet the standards, they were cut. Eh, if nothing else, good on Harvard for having "standards" and sticking to them.
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It's completely up to personal opinion and whomever runs the schools. I have no say in the matter except my own personal opinion. And in my opinion, i'm at a loss to identify behavior that would qualify for rescinding acceptance letters that's not already covered by the laws as crimes.
If you want to use online behavior as a method of doing so, i'm fairly sure these 10 kids is only but a tiny minority of people that need to be kicked out due to bad behavior online.
Because Universities are no longer a forum for the free exchange of ideas and have instead become a safe space where fragile millennials are sheltered from anything that may cause them to be offended.
Harvard used to be a bastion of free speech now it's just another Thought Police Precinct.
Harvard used to be a bastion of free speech now it's just another Thought Police Precinct.
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In terms of the generally accepted terminology, yes. Even for-profit private schools (Lincoln Tech, ITT, etc.) exist and were receiving federal funds until recently.
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Here are the memes that are at the center of this story (supposedly), if anyone was interested. I'm a 1st Amendment absolutist, but I understand how these could be considered quite offensive by some people.
https://archive.is/aunIo
https://archive.is/aunIo
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Really poor taste if nothing else. I can see why Harvard took the actions they did.
Also, if I recall, these were posted on a Harvard-related Facebook group. Seems like a case of play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
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Good on Harvard. Hopefully the kids learned something, but more more often than not, a douchebag is a douchebag for life.
Still appropriate...
Still appropriate...
This isn't exactly a "free speech" issue so much as it is an issue of prospective students signalling to admissions that they are unqualified applicants. Had these same students turned in incomprehensible written essays, they would also have been turned down. Again, that is not a "freedom of speech" issue either, where the school would be punishing them for their words/beliefs. It's just that the students have demonstrated they are not qualified.
Gigus Fire
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These are existing memes. None of them are original. Aren't you assuming that they believe in these things?
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doesn't matter...the ACLU will take up their cause pro bono...they won't defend the civil rights of most of us , but they will jump on this type of stupid shit like a bum on a bologna sandwich
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hahaha...Harvard is a "private institution"....per Reimu
"In fiscal year 2011, Harvard University’s tax-exempt endowment jumped in value by about $4.17 billion, rising from $27,557,404,000 to $31,728,080,000--but that did not stop Harvard from collecting tuition and fees derived from federal grants and student loans that U.S. taxpayers provided to Harvard undergraduates."
I call Zombie BS
"In fiscal year 2011, Harvard University’s tax-exempt endowment jumped in value by about $4.17 billion, rising from $27,557,404,000 to $31,728,080,000--but that did not stop Harvard from collecting tuition and fees derived from federal grants and student loans that U.S. taxpayers provided to Harvard undergraduates."
I call Zombie BS
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How about we teach them not to be racist bigots. That's what my parents taught me. What the fuck is wrong with you people and common sense?
Oh and I buy plenty of guns, teach kids to hunt, how to get along with nature, sportsmanship, etc. and get along with people just fine. Shove that PC crap.
Gigus Fire
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Lol. There's no proof of any of that.
Teach your kids to not share offensive memes on facebook.
At least stick to 4chan if you have to share offensive memes.
Crisis averted.
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Dude, I was being sarcastic. GD they need to create an emoticon for that.
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Fools posting BS on social media once again....
*pops cuffs
I'm not surprised they got caught.
*pops cuffs
I'm not surprised they got caught.
You don't know WHAT specifically was posted, in what setting, and what context.
George Carlin made jokes about rape and the holocaust, and he's not a bigot.
This thought policing by PC police of people's personal lives just proves what we already know; that liberal Academia is not tolerant or inclusionary of "diverse opinions" and wants to scare people into being afraid of making jokes or satire and it being misconstrued or following them for life, and having severe life altering financial repercussions. And of course, that's the goal of SJW bullies, to attain power by instilling fear.
That's what SJW groups do online. Its often groups of freakish looking obese women and effeminate guys with weird hair dyes that spend all day policing the internet, and when they find "the devil" (Trump supporter, or someone making a off-color joke, etc.), they will dox the person wherever they can and try to attack them with the tools available to them, such as having everyone call their employer if they can find it on linked-in and the like and complain about the employees bigotry, contact sponsors/advertisers to hurt businesses, or in this case if they saw he was accepted to Harvard then inform the school and demand action threatening protests and consulting media outlets and the like on why "XYZ administrator" or manager supports "hate speech".
Makes irrelevant people feel powerful and dominant on their little power trips, and sadly it all too often works as its easier to just cut ties and thus distance themselves from drama and make the problem go away than to stand up to the SJW armies.
I mean look, this is literally what Yale looks like now, and most staff, afraid for their jobs and having no support from upper echelons in liberal academia that promote and encourage this behavior, will cave in to even the most ridiculous demands like having "safe spaces" free of white people.
Which is their right, but you have to ask how it came to their attention in the first place, and if they had SJW armies demanding action or justification as to why Mr XYZ admissions officer, if he's not a soldier himself, is promoting hate speech. After all, crazy leftists freak out like this on campus, and no one bats an eye because, if anything, she's a "victim". But now reverse the roles and imagine for a moment if a white male student approached some black females standing peacefully out of the way and just started screaming at them at the top of his lungs for 15 mins... police would show up, he'd be violently arrested, and immediately expelled from school.
Which is excellent advice, particularly in Europe where liberal governments will arrest people complaining about Islamic terrorism too vocally for example, but that's exactly what they want. The majority will be afraid of saying anything that isn't PC, and thus create this perception that a tiny vocal minority is in fact a majority opinion, even if that's the opposite of what is the case, because most people keep quiet. That's the type of thought-policing that allows a small minority to control the agenda and news/information dissemination and attain power over a plurality.