Did NVIDIA Rig Its Computex Demo?

I don't see what the fuss is about. He proved them right. By increasing the contrast, he increased the dynamic range and proved that Higher Dynamic Range looks better. Duh...
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I'm a shameless SHILL!
 
Wow, you seem to have a bit of a thing for AMD don’t you?

All companies are guilty of this, but some companies push it just that little bit further and on a more regular basis, with Intel and nVidia being by far the worst offenders when it comes to flat out lying or rigging the system in their favour via questionable and often illegal business tactics.
Yeah you never see AMD using very cherry picked selection of DeepBench test and they would never use the slowest P100 instead of the the P40 that is 30% faster, nor would AMD wrongly use a Titan xp for SolidWork benchmark instead of the correct Quadro that has drivers/library support for professional visualisation... oh wait :)
Nor would AMD stop using AoTS once Nvidia performance became comparable in DX12 or use Doom for their comparisons and happily ignore in presentations/demos Nvidia is not using the Vulkan extensions (that in essence is native to the GPU) as much as AMD for now... oh they did :)

They are all as bad as each other in different ways.
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How am I to judge the value of an HDR panel

By watching a video

Through a non-HDR panel

I agree but there is value in watching the same video played on an HDR panel side by side of a non HDR panel. What is wrong is to gimp the non HDR to unfairly show an inferior image compared to what it is capable of.
 
This is much ado about nothing and I don't see where the conspiracy even is. It's not like Nvidia is in the business of selling or pushing HDR panels. That a flunkie in a tradeshow booth - probably from the marketing department - got the bright idea to screw with the video settings to exaggerate the differences between the two screens doesn't mean it was born of some company-wide edict or instruction handed down from the CEO.

Its also undeliable that proper HDR is compelling. There's some confusion about HDR, some people think they have an HDR panel when they don't, some people think their video card supports HDR when it doesn't, and for people brave enough to be running Windows 10, the creators update broke HDR; some people just outright don't know what the fuck they're doing in enabling it.

On PC, Shadow Warrior 2 or Resident Evil 7 have far better HDR implementations than ME:A. On PS4 Pro, Horizon: Zero Dawn looks phenomenal in HDR. Toggle HDR on and off in any those games and there's no comparison. HDR is far more compelling a visual jump than for example the resolution jump from 1080 to 4K.
 
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nVidia tried to con people by lowering the contrast and brightness of the non-HDR monitor to make it look worse.
This sounds like the old Monster Cable scam displays at Best Buy many years ago.

They had 2 HDTV's setup side by side. One setup with an HDMI cable from monster running 1080p, the other was setup with composite RCA cables (yellow, red, white). The ad was touting all the crap they engineered into the cable is what made the image better, when the reality was that the second TV could only run standard 480p resolution mode when using composite RCA cables.
 
Sigh. Not this shit again.

To compare HDR to SDR you need to calibrate both displays to spec. If you calibrate an SDR display to a peak white of 100nits (the spec) and set it next to an HDR display running at 1000nits then it WILL look dull. Just because you can crank an SDR display beyond spec does not make HDR bogus.

-Ian
 
To be fair, Best Buy does this crap every day of every year, and less reputable places did it even worse in years past...want to move stock? Jack-up the contrast on the display sets you want to move while simultaneously backing off contrast and color/tint settings on the sets around it on the display floor, results = "WOAH, THAT IS SO MUCH BETTER!"....Sold, to Joe Sixpack, football and lite beer fanatic.

If Nvidia did do this, it could be considered a tier-1 offense....worthy of some public shame, but it ain't Watergate.

HDR is still absolutely in beta....you shouldn't expect consistency, this is like year 1 with DVD's.....some are mastered from film, some from VHS. Set your expectations accordingly.....HDR implementation and output may look very different in even a year or two's time as standards settle and output across brands/models aligns more.....
 
Thread is about Nvidia scam. Fanboys say "but but AMD does it too" ... LOL.

not really. if anything the video shows how nvidia is more transparent than other vendor showcasing the difference between SDR and HDR because they allow third party to freely change the initial setting used for the display while other vendors did not allow such things.
 
not really. if anything the video shows how nvidia is more transparent than other vendor showcasing the difference between SDR and HDR because they allow third party to freely change the initial setting used for the display while other vendors did not allow such things.

That is the perfect apologist statement: "my brand is honest in how they scam you!"

In all honesty, this isn't that big of a deal, but I love seeing the usual suspects show up trying to find SOME WAY they can deflect this onto AMD.
 
not really. if anything the video shows how nvidia is more transparent than other vendor showcasing the difference between SDR and HDR because they allow third party to freely change the initial setting used for the display while other vendors did not allow such things.

Jeez, I can't believe there are people like you that actually think this kind of thing is good.

If the technology was that good, then you would not need to alter the factory settings, would you? The tech should be able to speak for itself.


And to all those that keep parroting stupid comments like "you're viewing this video on a non HDR monitor, so of course it will look crap" is totally invalid, want to guess why??? Because the fucking journalist was actually sat fucking there infront of both monitors!

I really am dismayed by how stupid people can actually be!
 
That is the perfect apologist statement: "my brand is honest in how they scam you!"

In all honesty, this isn't that big of a deal, but I love seeing the usual suspects show up trying to find SOME WAY they can deflect this onto AMD.

apologist? deflect this to AMD? then try find my comment in this section bashing AMD try doing the same. the one that saying AMD did not give access to tinker with their HDR demo is not me but the actual person that have access all those demo at Computex.
 
Jeez, I can't believe there are people like you that actually think this kind of thing is good.

If the technology was that good, then you would not need to alter the factory settings, would you? The tech should be able to speak for itself.


And to all those that keep parroting stupid comments like "you're viewing this video on a non HDR monitor, so of course it will look crap" is totally invalid, want to guess why??? Because the fucking journalist was actually sat fucking there infront of both monitors!

I really am dismayed by how stupid people can actually be!

did i praise nvidia for rigging the test? what i said is nvidia is more transparent than others by allowing Dmitri to tinker with the initial setup. rigged or not the fact that nvidia allow for the initial setup to be tinkered upon should be appreciated so journalist can form more accurate opinion about what they see. but it seems to you everything that nvidia do is "evil". everything else even if they were done with good intention does not count.
 
And AMD?
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And Apple, and Samsung, and LG, and Sony, and Qualcomm, and so on and on.
Say what now?
 
Jeez, I can't believe there are people like you that actually think this kind of thing is good.

If the technology was that good, then you would not need to alter the factory settings, would you? The tech should be able to speak for itself.


And to all those that keep parroting stupid comments like "you're viewing this video on a non HDR monitor, so of course it will look crap" is totally invalid, want to guess why??? Because the fucking journalist was actually sat fucking there infront of both monitors!

I really am dismayed by how stupid people can actually be!
Only your grandmother purchases a display and uses it without calibrating it. And those that buy the extra setup from places like Best Buy will end up going back to the default anyway "because it looks dull/not vibrant." Factory settings are useless unless it comes calibrated from the factory with an individualized report.
 
Only your grandmother purchases a display and uses it without calibrating it. And those that buy the extra setup from places like Best Buy will end up going back to the default anyway "because it looks dull/not vibrant." Factory settings are useless unless it comes calibrated from the factory with an individualized report.

Oh so now we are saying that nVidia "CALIBRATED" those monitors... BULLSHIT did they.
 
Say what now?


I can hear the shills right now... Yeah but AMD did, yeah AMD said... BLAH BLAH BLAH.

It's funny that a thread for an nVidia story got hijacked by shills from both Intel and nVidia...

At least get your paper thin facts right boys.

Oh, and by the way, nobody said anything about AMD would never ever do things like this... This WAS a thread about nVidia being caught lying again.
 
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