Most Powerful iMac Pro Evar - $5000

Wasn't aware of that, since when we buy Dell equipment, the warranty is already there, no optional like this one and can be expanded as needed.

Considering that I place the orders for our Macs, not once they ever bothered in offering this, just the typical included warranty of bring your Mac to our store, so the geniuses can fix it.

The sad thing is, there is a difference between a fanboi and a customer.

A customer looks out for what is the best tool for the job, not the prettiest, like someone in this thread.

So no, is not blind hatred because is an Apple device, is simply a matter of logical decision to get the best tool for the work ahead.

The reality is, apple barely cares about the enterprise/pro market, their priority is iOS/iPhone, the rest doesn't matter.
And yet you continue ad hominem attacks. Aesthetics and usability are not mutually exclusive.
 
Wasn't aware of that, since when we buy Dell equipment, the warranty is already there, no optional like this one and can be expanded as needed.

Considering that I place the orders for our Macs, not once they ever bothered in offering this, just the typical included warranty of bring your Mac to our store, so the geniuses can fix it.
This I imagine would be done through a business program ala Dell Premier and you would have to contact them to set it up.
 
This I imagine would be done through a business program ala Dell Premier and you would have to contact them to set it up.
We already do that, well, our sales rep, but i will have a talk with him, but in our meetings, it was never mentioned.
 
Ugh! It looks like an iMac!

Does anyone else think that the whole iMac look is beginning to appear a little dated? That thick bezel down the bottom of the screen just looks so 2000.

$5000.00, come off it! And to add insult to injury when it comes time to upgrade you lob that whole beautiful LCD display in the bin with no easy way to effectively re use it. I personally think Apple are over their PC range as they don't seem terribly interested in selling anything in that corner of the market, they're a gadget company now.

No...it doesnt. It looks amazing and I waaaaaaaaaaaant one! Cant say that about any Windows PC out there.

The LCD... are you shitting me? Its a 5K display, people are still using 1080p... you are safe for at least 5 yrs on that front and that is being very conservative.
 
No touch screen no care. Why couldn't they take some inspiration from the surface studio. I'd have been first in line.

Really want to move past the Cintiq tablet but the Studio is too weak. This has the power but not the form factor.

Its a pro product, not a shitty toy running Windows with a jog wheel that wont even stay in place on the screen.
 
Don't bother the irrational hatred for anything Apple in this thread will have you marked as a fanboi if you even try to be reasonable.

This forum is dominated by IT and Engineering Professionals. Aesthetics and ease of use is not at the top of their want list.
They like crazy server setups, deploying software upgrades to hundreds of computers at once, and figuring out Linux distros.

To spend a day around digital designers like myself using Apple products will drive them mad. That environment isn't challenging to them.
Many will despise the plug-and-play, pre-built PC and Apple crowd. Customization is paramount. Overcoming challenges plays a silent but huge part in why people like to build PCs.

Don't expect many people to walk in your Apple shoes here.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if the Mac Pro silently retired.

I think Apple did the right thing going pro with the iMac, but with server parts it's priced way beyond what design shops need for multiple employees.
Apple went right back to the Mac Pro trash can strategy, which they admitted was a mistake. GPUs are the most important part that need to be upgraded.

But in the same announcement, they also demo'd eGPUs for laptops and I'm sure for the iMac as well, but they want to sell the higher RX 580 configs. Smart users will forgo that option and go eGPU.
But.......it defeats the purposes of having the small footprint of the iMac. A $5000 iMac Dongle. I'm not impressed. Will continue to rock my Classic Mac Pro.

I need a 100% modular Mac.
 
My perspective on the whole value of Apple computers discussion:
  • For what they are - including hardware components, industrial design, reliability - they are good to decent value. Like all system manufacturers the base models are typically best value but most neutered.
  • You couldn't actually build something comparable for cheaper, nor could you typically buy something comparable from another vendor for less.
  • However, if you were to build something as a "pro" or high end enthusiast user yourself component selection would be more tailored and reasonable.
    • Example: Does a video editing "pro", for example, strictly need a Xeon and ECC RAM? Do they need the AIO design?
    • Swap that out for a DIY case, Core i9-7900X, GTX 1080 Ti, 32GB of non-EEC DDR4, 1TB M.2 PCIE SSD etc, and you have a more powerful system than the base iMac Pro for about $3k sans monitor. You can even go with a 4k display instead of 5k and save more off the total package.
  • But... those aren't particularly comparable, and honestly there are pros and cons both ways. With Apple you get what you get but it's all put together very well in a compact aesthetically pleasing (to some) package. With DIY you get to pick the exact components you want (including as much RGB lighting as you feel is necessary ;), and most importantly you can upgrade components at any time. These are different systems for different purposes and different target audiences.
Personally I see the benefit of both models. I have a high end Retina MacBook Pro from 2013 that still works perfectly for my primary development machine (mobile 3D apps/games). I also have a gaming computer from 2010 I necroed with a lavish dose of RAM, GTX 1070, and a high capacity SATA SSD so I could use it for VR development. Both are useful and more flexible for different purposes. I can develop on my MacBook anywhere but I can't do high end 3D and VR, nor can I notable upgrade it. My gaming PC isn't 1/4 as convenient as my MacBook but could be dragged kicking and screaming into the VR era. Different systems, different purposes, different evaluation of value vs purpose.
 
'These are not the droids'
You negated to mention the latency reduction benefit HBM provides.
I'm actually curious how the latency compares and what impact that has on performance. I've always thought that must be a big advantage for HBM but I've never seen any hard data.
 
But in the same announcement, they also demo'd eGPUs for laptops and I'm sure for the iMac as well, but they want to sell the higher RX 580 configs. Smart users will forgo that option and go eGPU.
The dev kit with RX 580 costs $599, and eGPU's do have a performance hit - presumably due to lower bandwidth and higher latency of Thunderbolt 3 vs 16 lane PCIE 3.0 (5GB/s vs 15.75GB/s). So while a nice option I wouldn't say it's necessarily the smart choice.
 
Are you talking about actual enterprise support?
https://www.apple.com/support/enterprise/

This is from their IBM partnership a few years ago, supposedly it works pretty well. I've only used Dell ProSupport though (they don't include it in the price btw).

Thanks, man. As an individual using the Mac Pro I didn't qualify under this plan.

Don't bother the irrational hatred for anything Apple in this thread will have you marked as a fanboi if you even try to be reasonable.

Apple fulfilled my computing needs for 14 years before I switched back to Windows machines in 2012. I buy computers from companies that fulfill my needs: I really don't care what the name on the company logo is.
 
I'm actually curious how the latency compares and what impact that has on performance. I've always thought that must be a big advantage for HBM but I've never seen any hard data.
AMD doesn't release the data (due to commercial sensitivity) and was not initially looking for that as part of the design, it was a side effect. The theory is it might explain part of the weird 4k results (considering VRAM) the Fury got especially in later drivers.
What I understand though is that it does benefit certain compute scenarios and loads.
I'd imagine real time machine vision/military stuff definitely would..
 
For 5k I could build a system that would leave this thing weeping in the corner....Heck I don't even need to build it myself. I can pay someone to do it and still come out ahead for that price.

Compare Apples to Apples (Dell/HP) We all know building it ours selves is cheaper, it is cheaper vs Dell, HP and Apple so moot point.

Anyways, i see over heating problems, as those All-in-ones seldom have adequate cooling for the gear in them, My old GFX designers had the 27" 2011? models and MAN they got hot!
 
It's very obvious that you have never own an Imac.......... They are very repairable. I had an 2012 Imac and used it heavily for gaming. The GPU went bad and I took it to the Apple store. Later that same day, they had replaced the motherboard all in store.

All in one doesn't mean the monitor is physically glued to the motherboard, the memory port is the only user accessible thing but you can take it apart and access the many parts inside. You'd just have to pull off the screen.

Well I personally have had several iMacs and also worked for Apple in Cork, Ireland. Making statements like 'It's very obvious that' is supposition and an ignorant/arrogant way to open a statement - sorry, but it really is.

In my opinion, your definition of repairable is not the same as most people here.

Being able to take it into the shop where they have to carefully with suction cups (You say 'just have to pull off the screen' whilst neglecting to mention these days they're glued with a foam adhesive) take out the entire screen to get at anything is not 'easily repairable' and there's a reason why it has a poor rating on iFixit. Easily repairable to people here means being able to whip off a cover and replace a part yourself.

Just like cars were truly easily repairable in the past compared to cars now, where without the specialist equipment you're out in the cold.

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This iMac Pro could have been $1K cheaper with 16c/32t Threadripper instead...

That's the REAL cost of Thunderbolt compatibility right there. $1,000. o_O
 
This iMac Pro could have been $1K cheaper with 16c/32t Threadripper instead...

That's the REAL cost of Thunderbolt compatibility right there. $1,000. o_O
Next year when third party Thunderbolt 3 controllers are available we could see AMD CPU's in Macs. A high end APU with 16 Zen cores, Vega graphics, and 32GB of HBM2 would be quite astounding. And if you thought Threadripper was bulging... just imagine the size of that package.
 
Still missing a display (huge cost here), Dells own workstation 5K display is around $1,800. And that GPU is half or less the performance of the GPU in this Mac Pro. So $6672 and you still end up with a slower GPU, but at least we are getting closer.



That's the thing, it's actually not, a workstation Dell of the same specs costs more. I understand lots of the Apple hate from people all the time.....It's just this isn't one of them.

I don't like Apple, at all. But I give props where due.

That's how I've always seen it. At the high end of things, Apple prices aren't bad at all. Sometimes good. It's the low end, normal consumer goods is where the price is bad. Your normal MacBook, your normal iMac. I think many view those and think their high end is like that too.

I wouldn't buy them from a business standpoint though. Depending on the size of your company, Dell will give you a bunch of spare parts to stock, for when something might break. Swap in/out, and mail off the broken part. Get a new one to put back into stock.

I'm sure if you're large enough, Apple will probably let you do the same and stock you with a few iMac Pros. Maybe. I really don't know how Apple deals with a large enterprise.
 
Its a pro product, not a shitty toy running Windows with a jog wheel that wont even stay in place on the screen.

What part of what I said is saying I was buying a surface for you to get all passive aggressive about my comment.

I just observed it being a shame that they couldn't have brought more innovation to this. I could not give less of a shit about it being thin etc, what I would like is an integrated touchscreen colour accurate, wide gamut 4K screen and speed. If it could take an input from a laptop or other desktop as well then perfect. Illustrator and particularly masking, but photoshop generally are about a million times better with a Cintiq and the studio takes it to the next level (I've tried it) and is a delight to interact with (only found the wheel useful for loupe mode) but it's a toy as you say. I'll break it. The 27" Cintiq is good but there's definitely room for something to kick the touch paradigm up a level.

Doesn't matter that much I guess as I pay someone to do it as a rule as they are quicker but I do want a new 'creative' set up.

As for Windows vs Mac, I'm 10 years past giving a shit. It used to matter as windows was a problem even for printing and Quark was much better on Mac but these days I have and use both and don't really care which for what I do. The only thing I find massively better for OSX is file handling on development work as NTFS is bollocks for smal file handling but I just use Linux for that.
 
That's how I've always seen it. At the high end of things, Apple prices aren't bad at all. Sometimes good. It's the low end, normal consumer goods is where the price is bad. Your normal MacBook, your normal iMac. I think many view those and think their high end is like that too.

I wouldn't buy them from a business standpoint though. Depending on the size of your company, Dell will give you a bunch of spare parts to stock, for when something might break. Swap in/out, and mail off the broken part. Get a new one to put back into stock.

I'm sure if you're large enough, Apple will probably let you do the same and stock you with a few iMac Pros. Maybe. I really don't know how Apple deals with a large enterprise.

The issue is the overall support situation though - Apple can't come close to enterprise levels of support and response where machines are mission critical.
 
That Is a big problem, building an EUC ecosystem around Mac's is a pain in the arse because of the difficult in remote manageability. Over workgroup size it becomes a pain in the arse. No money in it though, most just say BYOD for mac's and sort yourself out.

If you're a creative then you're more likely in a small team and just have bespoke support.

Drove me mad when I was at Burberry and Mac's started to be taken up at scale. I get it from a user perspective but FML as IT.
 
That Is a big problem, building an EUC ecosystem around Mac's is a pain in the arse because of the difficult in remote manageability. Over workgroup size it becomes a pain in the arse. No money in it though, most just say BYOD for mac's and sort yourself out.

If you're a creative then you're more likely in a small team and just have bespoke support.

Drove me mad when I was at Burberry and Mac's started to be taken up at scale. I get it from a user perspective but FML as IT.

True that, whenever a higher-upper demands Mac stuff every IT admin in the company clutches their chest as a little piece of them dies inside... :)
 
Do you know what a Classic Mac Pro is? Look it up.
It's not sold anymore. But it was Apple's last modular tower that could be upgraded.

Nvidia released Pascal Drivers a few weeks ago for it.
You said you just built a 2010 mac pro, i'm a little confused? Are you saying you have it and are still upgrading it? My point is they can't buy the "classic" mac Pro anymore. We are talking abut the current line of products not a 7 year old device.
 
True that, whenever a higher-upper demands Mac stuff every IT admin in the company clutches their chest as a little piece of them dies inside... :)

Indeed, I had to give a Mac to an accessories designer because of printing problems.

About 2 days later I had a RFS from Chris Bailey, Head Designer (pretty famous, CEO now) who'd heard we'd cracked for a Mac. That was it, had 60 in a few weeks.

Still remember throwing the Mac 'consultant' out the building. Trying to get it added to LDAP auth to AD and I caught him in the lab enabling apple talk etc. On OSX.

Out out out, get your ignorant ass out.
 
I expected Apple to have a 40" 8k mac pro by now. What ever happened to them pushing boundaries?
 
You said you just built a 2010 mac pro, i'm a little confused? Are you saying you have it and are still upgrading it? My point is they can't buy the "classic" mac Pro anymore. We are talking abut the current line of products not a 7 year old device.

You totally missed the point I was making. But if you want a "stay on topic" conversation, leave that to Kyle to decide.
To suggest a Hackintosh, means you don't understand the Apple user.
 
Indeed, I had to give a Mac to an accessories designer because of printing problems.

About 2 days later I had a RFS from Chris Bailey, Head Designer (pretty famous, CEO now) who'd heard we'd cracked for a Mac. That was it, had 60 in a few weeks.

Still remember throwing the Mac 'consultant' out the building. Trying to get it added to LDAP auth to AD and I caught him in the lab enabling apple talk etc. On OSX.

Out out out, get your ignorant ass out.

Hahahah yes I've encountered similar issues in the past. Frankly I'm surprised that 'Consultant' made it out alive.
 
You totally missed the point I was making. But if you want a "stay on topic" conversation, leave that to Kyle to decide.
To suggest a Hackintosh, means you don't understand the Apple user.

The standard apple user doesn't buy a classic Mac pro and keep it for 7 years....so congrats you aren't the standard user. I do understand the Apple user and keeping an Apple computer doesn't play into the trend of Apple.
The reason I said hackintosh is because you said you just built a Mac Pro which is why I was confused......you didn't say you "upgraded".
We aren't talking about using a Mac Pro and we are talking the iMac, the AIO. Apples to Oranges. The only thing that is current gen is your grfx card which isn't a pro grade product. I don't think you understand whats being discussed.
 
I keep seeing this and it misses several key points.
1: No you could not build this PC for the same price. Once you include a display at that caliber plus the fact it is using a xeon which can be tricky to buy as an average consumer then put it into a form factor you designed yourself with a custom motherboard and cooling solution you might be running that price well past 5k.
2: People buy these for the same reason they buy workstations from HP and Dell, Support. A custom built PC while great means anything goes wrong you are fixing it and if the issue is with several components you are contacting different vendors with different warranty requirements. Buying one whole PC package means if you need support you call Apple, Dell, or HP etc.

I'll give you for a company. But this is HARDOCP. I bet most people here wouldn't have any major issues making a hackintosh and with a better/price performance ratio.
 
1: No you could not build this PC for the same price. Once you include a display at that caliber plus the fact it is using a xeon which can be tricky to buy as an average consumer then put it into a form factor you designed yourself with a custom motherboard and cooling solution you might be running that price well past 5k.

PCGamer did pretty well being able to "match" it for less than $5k actually, but sure, you lose the 'pretty' form factor.

http://www.pcgamer.com/apples-new-imac-pro-costs-5000-but-is-it-overpriced/

Personally I'd rather build it myself and have the expansion options that Apple doesn't give me, but I do realize that doesn't apply to everyone.

All in ones can be a pain in the ass no matter the brand, because if one little thing fails, you lose the whole machine to get it fixed while its out for repairs. That's where a more typical PC's modular form is an advantage, home built or not.
 
I'm always conflicted with the lack of upgrading on the Mac but luckily I have enough money to have both and upgrade the PC. It tends to be more of an acute need with pc just due to workloads. I don't suddenly do a video, picture or something and it runs like shit, unlike games or development work. Storage space shits me (lucking forward to 10gb to obviate this one with high performance shared remote storage becoming practical at home) but I just pick a CPU and memory amount that is enough and stick with it.

On the upgrade front, Interestingly I've not upgraded the amount of memory in a PC after purchase in 10 years. I was going to with my old 3770 so I can run KVM on it but the itx xeons just make way more sense
 
PCGamer did pretty well being able to "match" it for less than $5k actually, but sure, you lose the 'pretty' form factor.

http://www.pcgamer.com/apples-new-imac-pro-costs-5000-but-is-it-overpriced/

Personally I'd rather build it myself and have the expansion options that Apple doesn't give me, but I do realize that doesn't apply to everyone.

All in ones can be a pain in the ass no matter the brand, because if one little thing fails, you lose the whole machine to get it fixed while its out for repairs. That's where a more typical PC's modular form is an advantage, home built or not.
They pretty much prove the point. Their system is $313 cheaper but without assembly, different form factor, and some strange component decisions like single channel (!) 32GB EEC RAM. The savings can be made when you don't try to pick the same components as Apple but the ones more suited to your needs. Drop the Xeon for i9 and much cheaper motherboard, go for a good 4k monitor instead of 5k etc and you can save a $k or two. Or keep components the same and make the tradeoff of compact well assembled design vs expandability.

The other place you will see savings is when you move away from the base configuration. There you could end up paying 50% to 100% more to move to 64GB or RAM, for example. That's pretty much standard though whether it be Apple, Dell, HP etc.
 
The issue is the overall support situation though - Apple can't come close to enterprise levels of support and response where machines are mission critical.

I wouldn't know, never had any kind of enterprise Apple support. Reading their enterprise level support, doesn't sound much different from other OEMs.
 
I wouldn't know, never had any kind of enterprise Apple support. Reading their enterprise level support, doesn't sound much different from other OEMs.

I can assure you it's not even close. No such thing as same day response for hardware for example. Next business day is as good as it gets, so you're screwed if it's a Friday. If you're unlucky with location, then your limit might be second business day.
 
What premium?

I think people who are saying this have never actually shopped for workstations from other vendors, spec for spec, this Mac Pro is CHEAPER than the other options, that makes Dell and the like the cost premium.

I do expect the higher speced Mac Pro to lessen the deal and get closer to the Dell pricing, I could be wrong. When the last Mac Pro came out it had some highend gear and not even talking about Dell, but trying to build one myself with the cheapest parts, I could not match Apples price, which included DUAL $1.5k GPUs.

I could build something myself cheaper than this, without doubt, but this is meant for business, just like Dells workstations, having a vendor and support are a MAJOR factor. Smaller business or individuals however might go for custom boxes, but past that having support, big time on site support and uptime etc etc for a larger set of computers is more important.

If people want to talk about prebuilt prices, like Apple, the same thing applies to ALL of them, that is why people here build their own systems. However, as shocking as it might be, for the market this is in, and the competition it is dealing with, this is actually....Wait for it.....A decent price.
The premium is over manual assembly, which was heavily implied in my post.

I think you just wanted to rant.
 
It's going to run loud (two squirrel cages to cool the entire thing through some strange rads), hot, and be almost unrepairable/un-upgradeable. The only reason you'd ever want this is because you were hooked into Apple for some reason and of course are ok with the idea that it's going to have to get shipped out for repairs. I'd rather build my own, or, if I were the kind of company with money to burn, pay someone to build them for me with standard, replaceable/upgradable parts. Hell, if many cases, it makes sense ot have a spare around (or at least a full machine's worth of replacement parts) so you can literally be up and running again in a matter of hours instead of days. When I did IT, thats what our company did for the medium or large companies we supported. The idea that you'd need a super powerful computer but for some reason never plan to upgrade is insane. Also, very little reason to go with Intel at this point, with the CPUs coming down the pipe from AMD.
 
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