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It is a good value with the included GPU waterblock, thing I don't like about it is they are using an aluminum radiator.
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NCASE M1: a crowdfunded Mini-ITX case (updates in first post)
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It is a good value with the included GPU waterblock, thing I don't like about it is they are using an aluminum radiator.
I tested my 1080 ti black edition with two bottom fans as exhaust and it would get all the way to 90c. Switched the fans to intake and stress testing it doesn't go above 72 anymore. I tried lots of different fan speeds for intake and exhaust to try to help the situation but ultimately having four intake fans, for me, keeps my proc super cool and my GPU at a reasonable temp.
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Hey all, I thought I'd share my NCASE build after a few months of tinkering with it.
Be forewarned, it isn't meant to be pretty. My goal was to properly utilize all the possible space within the M1. I know its a bit unnecessary, but it has been a fun project and I feel happy with it.
Here's some basic specs:
CPU: 6800k
Mobo: Asrock X99 ITX
RAM: 32gb 2133mhz
PSU: Corsair SF600 (replaced fan)
GPU: 1070 FE (blower style)
ODD: Silverstone Blu-ray
STORAGE:
-512gb Samsung 960 Evo (boot)
-500gb Samsung 850 Evo (side of psu)
-8TB Seagate Archive HDD
-8TB Seagate Archive HDD
-3TB WD 3.5in. HDD (below GPU)
-250gb WD SSD (loosely placed at the side of the gpu)
COOLING: (7 Noctua motherboard controlled fans)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U9DX i4
----(2x NF-B9 92mm fans)
Rear Exhaust: 92mm (NF-A9x14)
Below GPU: 92mm NF-A9x14
REPLACED PSU fan: NF-A9x14
Above PSU Exhaust: 2x NF-A4x10 FLX
EXTRAS:
2 USB 2.0 (from internal header)
Demiflex Fan Filters on most sides
Future Plans:
-add airflow ducts for exhaust to help hot air escape more efficiently.
-add another 2.5in. SSD as my motherboard supports a 7th sata drive if you route its rear eSata connection back into the case.
Pictures! (Yes not pretty, but functional with clear airflow paths)
(92mm fan under the gpu)
Be forewarned, it isn't meant to be pretty. My goal was to properly utilize all the possible space within the M1. I know its a bit unnecessary, but it has been a fun project and I feel happy with it.
Here's some basic specs:
CPU: 6800k
Mobo: Asrock X99 ITX
RAM: 32gb 2133mhz
PSU: Corsair SF600 (replaced fan)
GPU: 1070 FE (blower style)
ODD: Silverstone Blu-ray
STORAGE:
-512gb Samsung 960 Evo (boot)
-500gb Samsung 850 Evo (side of psu)
-8TB Seagate Archive HDD
-8TB Seagate Archive HDD
-3TB WD 3.5in. HDD (below GPU)
-250gb WD SSD (loosely placed at the side of the gpu)
COOLING: (7 Noctua motherboard controlled fans)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U9DX i4
----(2x NF-B9 92mm fans)
Rear Exhaust: 92mm (NF-A9x14)
Below GPU: 92mm NF-A9x14
REPLACED PSU fan: NF-A9x14
Above PSU Exhaust: 2x NF-A4x10 FLX
EXTRAS:
2 USB 2.0 (from internal header)
Demiflex Fan Filters on most sides
Future Plans:
-add airflow ducts for exhaust to help hot air escape more efficiently.
-add another 2.5in. SSD as my motherboard supports a 7th sata drive if you route its rear eSata connection back into the case.
Pictures! (Yes not pretty, but functional with clear airflow paths)
(92mm fan under the gpu)
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Cool, thanks for sharing. That is definitely one of the more packed builds I have seen so far. You included a LOT of storage. Are you using this as a NAS or Media Server?
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That's the idea. I haven't set everything up as I'd like though. It's on the to-do list.
It doesn't really have a strict use case. Perhaps a jack of all trades. I plan to dual boot with Linux or perhaps OSX to better teach myself those operating systems.
I originally had aspirations to get into virtualization, but that's been put on the back burner for now.
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Good use of space with lot's of storage. I am a bit curious why you bothered with the 250GB SSD, when you already have 2 other SSDs.
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True story is I went to a microcenter for a molex->sata adapter and I came out with an ssd since I can't ignore a sale it seems haha. Though I tell myself I'll use it for something special like a boot drive for a different operating system once I look into dual booting.
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Well that makes sense, it just seemed out of place.
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Has anyone installed the Accelero III on a founders blower cooler 970? Need a bit of help with the small heatsinks
Do the 3 tiny black chips near the center screw hole need a heatsink? There are thermal pads on the original cooler but they were barely touching a corner of them.
And do the larger silver squares towards the left of the photo need heatsinks? They don't have a thermal pad but are exposed to the fan on the original blower cooler
Do the 3 tiny black chips near the center screw hole need a heatsink? There are thermal pads on the original cooler but they were barely touching a corner of them.
And do the larger silver squares towards the left of the photo need heatsinks? They don't have a thermal pad but are exposed to the fan on the original blower cooler
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Hey, Neapolitan6th How are your temps??
Im also planning to do a build with 3.5 hard drives if possible. Im coming from a full tower and i have 5 3.5 inch drives.
p3z , thanks for the compatibility list. I see you have a lot of experience with different 1080 ti cards on this case. Do you know how are the FE temps compared to the SC BE on this case?? I dont care too much about noise, only concerned with temp.
It is possible to fit a 3.5 HDD below the SC BE or a FE with a hybrid kit?
What do you think of using a SC BE with a HDD cage, to accommodate 2 3.5 HDD above the GPU, in front of the PSU? It seems the GPU would be releasing hot air directly to the HDDs (i think), which i would be a little concerned with
I am planning to do a Ryzen build, probably i will go with the 1600, considering it has a 65w TDP. I will probably get better temps that the ones you were experiencing with your 4770K
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That is because AIB cards intake air and blow it onto the heatsink. You were basically creating an air vacuum of sorts by having fans exhaust when the fans of the GPU are trying to pull air in to cool the card.
Ref/AIB = Intake
Accelero = Exhaust.
Hey guys, Need some help.
At 99 percent load the computer sounds like its taking off. Using CAM to monitor temps my CPU is great at 50c but my GPU is hitting and maintaining a temp of 80c. If I reduce the power on the fans to 60 percent the temp jumps up 2 degrees. I'm thinking I either need more fans at the bottom as intake or an AIO for the GPU. Please advise. Here's my build information
Project Sombra
CPU Intel i7-7700K 4.2GHZ
Mobo: Asus Strix z270i
GPU: Nvidia 1080 Ti Founders edition
Ram: Corsair Vengence LED (2x8)
CPU Cooler: Corsair h75
AIO Fan: Gentle Typhoon 2150 PWM 120mm Fan
Rear Fan: Noctua Redux NF-B9 1600 PWM 92mm
Storage: Samsung 960 Evo m.2 250GB
2nd Storage: Crucial MX300 525GB SSD
PSU: Corsair SF600
OS: Windows 10 Home
At 99 percent load the computer sounds like its taking off. Using CAM to monitor temps my CPU is great at 50c but my GPU is hitting and maintaining a temp of 80c. If I reduce the power on the fans to 60 percent the temp jumps up 2 degrees. I'm thinking I either need more fans at the bottom as intake or an AIO for the GPU. Please advise. Here's my build information
Project Sombra
CPU Intel i7-7700K 4.2GHZ
Mobo: Asus Strix z270i
GPU: Nvidia 1080 Ti Founders edition
Ram: Corsair Vengence LED (2x8)
CPU Cooler: Corsair h75
AIO Fan: Gentle Typhoon 2150 PWM 120mm Fan
Rear Fan: Noctua Redux NF-B9 1600 PWM 92mm
Storage: Samsung 960 Evo m.2 250GB
2nd Storage: Crucial MX300 525GB SSD
PSU: Corsair SF600
OS: Windows 10 Home
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I would look into a Hybrid kit for your 1080 Ti, it is in the nature of reference cards to be both loud and have poor cooling and the Ti is the worst of the Pascal cards. They just generate too much heat for a single small fan to be able to dissipate.
Thanks for the quick reply, rfarmer. Any recommended hybrid kits? Plus, what's the difficulty on installing one? I've never done any after market modifications to a GPU before.
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Good question. That was my original concern as well. I use a tower style air cooler and I set it to exhaust out the back of the case. It is important to get as much hot air out of the case as possible.
My current configuration with the max supported 3 3.5in. drives does a pretty good job keeping everything cool. At present. The top 2 HDDs over the PSU max at around 42C if I'm stressing both the CPU and GPU.
The drive under the GPU is a bit of a different story. I use a blower style card so that may help. While running heaven gpu benchmark and aida64 at the same time I noticed the lower drive got up to about 54C which is mildly concerning, but it takes awhile for it to heat up to that temperature. Overall it doesn't bother be at those temps because that's only after a sustained workload. I noticed running my blower cooler at a faster rpms helped to cool it down to around 50C (at the expense of noise).
Just a thought:
It probably wouldn't help, but you could potentially try some active cooling on that lower drive by pointing a slim 40mm or 60mm placed vertically along the side of the HDD (there is room for it when using a standard width GPU such as the founders edition)
Hope that helps!
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https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=400-HY-5388-B1 I believe the EVGA is the only Hybrid cooler available for the 1080 Ti atm, I have never used one of their coolers but I have seen good things in this thread about them. I have also never installed this type of cooler, I have installed NZXT Kraken G10 and full water blocks. Just carefully follow the instructions and take your time.
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I was having the same noise issue with my founders cooler 970. It was loud and was hitting 75-80 when stressing. I just bought the Accelero Xtreme III, WOWOWOWOWOW.
Went from idling at 35-45c to idling at 26-30c. 100% load went from an extremely loud 76c to 50c and silent at 26% fans speeds (the lowest they will go) on SP120s exhausting below the Accelero heatsink.
So if you arent wanting to AIO, id say an Accelero Xtreme III is a great choice.
I OC'ed quite aggressively and set my temp target to 84C with a 120% PL, but with a fan profile up to 70% (much quieter on Pascal cards than the previous Maxwell cards) it would hold up decent clocks. However, it would pretty much shoot up to the temp target and sit there. If you can stand some noise, i'd honestly say a FE cooler at 70% isn't terrible. It's not ideal due to the acoustics of the case, but I recall my old HD4870 blower being an absolute monster in sound. I would say the HDD is definitely doable with a FE or Hybrid-FE, though i think you're limited to a 92 or 80mm fan on the bottom. You don't necessarily need the bottom fan with either of those two coolers, but it's good to know. Because the SC BE is open air, I'd be cautious of mechanical drive temps as I know they're a bit more prone and picky about temps than SSds or m.2s.
I'm not sure how the temps would be, but in that scenario, my thought would be that a 92mm as intake or a tower cooler pulling air from the outside towards the HDD bracket might be ideal. And at that I think the PSU running flipped around would be the best way to get the heat out.
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New setup is SILENT! loudest part is the HDD. Highly highly recommend an Accelero Xtreme III with fans exhausting.
old
IDLE: CPU 40c - GPU 44c
LOAD: CPU 62c - GPU 76c
new
IDLE: CPU 30c - GPU 28c
LOAD: CPU 52c - GPU 51c
old
IDLE: CPU 40c - GPU 44c
LOAD: CPU 62c - GPU 76c
new
IDLE: CPU 30c - GPU 28c
LOAD: CPU 52c - GPU 51c
I believe the III comes with some sort of thermal glue. Personally, I got the IV and bought a whole lot of small alu heatsinks + thermal tape. I believe the tape is easier to remove if you decide that you want to go with a different solution later on.
The Accelero III comes with thermal glue, but I used a thermal tape because I heard that the glue is likely to tear the mosfet off before letting the heat sink come off. The tape I used was "Akasa Thermal Adhesive Tape" It seems to be working well for the most part. I accidentally knocked off one of the heat sinks, so I had to re-apply some fresh tape on that one, but it has been sticking well ever since. All of the other heat sinks that I haven't messed with seem to be sticking well.
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Bought some thermal tape instead of the glue. I plan on using this with my next gpu i get too so i wanted to be able to remove it and attach the founders cooler again and sell it. 3m makes some but i got BCP 15mm x 25m roll for like $13. Works perfectly except on the tiny chips that have there own heatsink, just not a lot of surface area to adhere too, it seems to be fine after benching the gpu though as it may have cured the adhesive
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Can I ask what kind of tape you used? I am fed up with my custom loop and am about to go full air cooling with the Accelero III for the GPU, seems to be the best setup for this case. Now if I could just find a NH C-14.
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https://www.amazon.com/BCP-Adhesive...8&qid=1496808817&sr=1-7&keywords=thermal+tape
works well enough. I was going to get the 3m because i imagine itd be better but it was going to be like a 3 day delay waiting for it. the BCP roll hasn't shown any issues yet.
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Is it an issue with the NCASE/space constraints or just the loop in general and bad luck/hardware? I've wanted to do a custom loop for some time, but have avoided it being this case as I feel I'd want to have some room inside of an ATX to mess up and learn things.
Reminds me of @Phuncz who also switched from water to air, and was really happy doing so in terms of cooling and silence, if I remember well...
But yeah, why are you fed up with your loop?
Finding the right way to route the tubing inside the M1 is part of the SFF fun, I think! If you are ready for some headaches that is...
I did my first step in watercooling with this M1 and all went well. Filling up the loop is the most stressing part, but can be eased with the right reservoir such as the FrozenQ one.
I had to be inventive with the one I've used... (IN port on the res side)
My first custom loop was in this case, and it wasn't easy, but it worked well for a few years. I recently went back to air for a number of reasons, none of which are related to the NCASE/space constraints. First, I was fed up with the idea of having to purchase an expensive new waterblock every time I wanted to upgrade my GPU. Second, I had a leak because of a loose fitting that got cross threaded a bit. The cross threaded part was where the fitting came out of the pump and I was afraid that I would have to buy a new pump to really fix it. I am planning on getting a better motherboard, so I didn't want to water cool with that setup for fear of another leak. Third, I wanted to see how quiet I could make my computer, and the pump noise is really an issue when at idle. Finally, I ended up going to a custom loop water cooling setup in the first place because I couldn't keep my GPU from thermally throttling. I have always been irritated that I felt like I switched to water because I failed to be successful with air cooling, and so I wanted to see if I really could be successful with air cooling. Finally, it's nice to have no water in my computer because now I feel like I can take it on an airplane without security giving me problems for having liquid. With all of that being said, it was really fun to make a water cooling loop, and the temps were really good. I would recommend it to anyone who doesn't mind the extra cost and time involved.
As someone who just went from water to air with the Accelero III, I will say that you should be prepared for some higher temps, but you still can keep below the thermal limit. Note that I'm using a 230 watt GPU, so if you stick with your 1070, you should have much better temps than me.
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So, this is a thing: http://www.pcgamer.com/noctua-spent-four-and-a-half-years-designing-its-quietest-strongest-fan-yet/
Also mentioned: black versions of their consumer fans!
Also mentioned: black versions of their consumer fans!
I want this fan!
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Reminds me of @Phuncz who also switched from water to air, and was really happy doing so in terms of cooling and silence, if I remember well...
But yeah, why are you fed up with your loop?
Finding the right way to route the tubing inside the M1 is part of the SFF fun, I think! If you are ready for some headaches that is...
I did my first step in watercooling with this M1 and all went well. Filling up the loop is the most stressing part, but can be eased with the right reservoir such as the FrozenQ one.
I had to be inventive with the one I've used... (IN port on the res side)
Water cooling looks cool and works really well, I had great temps with this setup. It came down mainly to I was tired of it. Everytime I needed to make any changes I had to drain and dissemble the loop. Then put it back together, fill and leak test. This is my 3rd water cooled build and I guess I am just over it. The final straw though was I recently had a leak that was right above my GPU, fortunately I caught it early and no damage was done but that is the most expensive component in my case and I would rather not have to replace it.
After being part of this thread for a while I also want to see what it is like on the other side.
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Yeah I am expecting higher temps, I am going with the Dark Rock TF and the Accelero 3 so temps should be more than acceptable.
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I look forward to reading how well the Dark Rock TF fits on your motherboard. Hopefully it fits well. Now that the NH-C14 isn't available the Dark Rock TF is the biggest air cooler available that fits in the M1.
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I have the Asrock Z270 Fatal1ty and it is listed on the spreadsheet as fitting as long as the heat pipes are pointed up.
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thats what i have in my setup and it works phenomenally! idle temps are 25-35 for both and load temps are between 50-60 for both. its also nearly silent at load.
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Your build is what finally decided me to switch, those are temps that I can live with. I just got done reading several reviews on the Dark Rock and being silent was mentioned in all of them, didn't realize it had such quiet fans. Ordering this weekend, Newegg has if for $68 which is a pretty good deal.
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that is! i got mine for like $75 and it was well worth it. Kinda a pain to get in, I'd advise doing it outside of the case and installing the motherboard with the cooler already on. It is easy to try a couple configs before you put the thermal paste on this way too.
also if you want to hook your fans up to your gpu you may want to grab one of these https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005ZKZEQA/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1
my founders 970 does only let the fans go down to 26% but they are silent at that speed some im ok with it
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Thanks for the advice, figured it would be easier to install outside the case. I actually already have one of the Gelid fan adapters, I used it with a NZXT G10 Kraken on a previous build.
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