Studios Blame Rotten Tomatoes for Ruining Summer Movies

Yup, only take notice with reviews from folks I know that have similar tastes. I remember back with the first matrix came out - it had horrible reviews from the big name critics. LOL.

As for tomorrow's opening - i guess i'll find out :)
 
akaliel said:
I remember when Gladiator came out, I was in university and studying ancient Rome history. So while it was a fine movie, I had to hate it. Because of every thing they did that wasn't even close to history.

That was me back then. Me now finds it fine. I liked The 300 more though :)
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Your talking about yourself in the third person. George likes spicy chicken!
 
I don't know why people gauge that as an indicator of anything. There are several movies on Rotten Tomatoes that should have much worse scores than they do and some with much higher scores than they deserve.
 
I know of Rotten Tomatoes. I don't care to visit it. Had no impact on me. Seeing shitty canned previews that look the same as the other shit Hollywood put out the past 10 years had more of an impact on me, as well as Hollywood confusing political vitriol with comedy.
 
shad0w4life said:
Logan %92....eh that's a bit of a stretch for the really rushed weak ending...takes super juice that is supposed to make him go crazy...doesn't attack vehicles filled with enemies once, don't show what he did to xmen, and his death was pretty weak sort of fantastic four one where they make a plan and defeat doom in about 30 seconds.
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Not sure we watched the same movie. :) lol

The super juice was perhaps not required I'll give you that. I would have rather just seen old man Logan do in the bad guys old man style... still his death was great and much better written then any comic hero death on the screen up till this point. As for what he did to the X-men... nothing if you watched the movie. Professor X obviously had a massive seizure and killed a bunch of them... Logans response was to hide the old man away and care for him till he died. ProfX even says so "your just waiting for me to die" yes that is exactly what he was doing.

Anyway ya... movies can still be just fun. There are tons of examples of movies with very low RT scores that are fun that do make a ton of money.
 
*sigh* Remember a time when they made good movies? (Dammit....I sound like an old fart saying that) I haven't been to the theaters in years because #1 I would rather watch them in my own home theater setup and #2 there really isn't any movies that are worth the cost of a movie ticket as of late TBH. I know some are hating on it, but Pirates 5 is actually 1 that "almost" tempted me, but again I would rather watch it in the comfort of my own home. I have a pretty good setup and I am a bit of a hermit to boot. Dangit! No...I am not as old as I sound. lol

Although honestly I never even look at critic ratings. They are usually a bunch of snooty snobs anyway and wouldn't know a good movie if it kicked them in the face. I pay more attention to actual peoples ratings than the critics.

shad0w4life said:
Logan %92....eh that's a bit of a stretch for the really rushed weak ending...takes super juice that is supposed to make him go crazy...doesn't attack vehicles filled with enemies once, don't show what he did to xmen, and his death was pretty weak sort of fantastic four one where they make a plan and defeat doom in about 30 seconds.
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Bleh...I would rate Logan more like 50% from what I have been able to suffer thorough on it. People are calling that one a masterpiece and I haven't even been able to make myself finish it for over a week now. I have always liked the X-Men series, but this IMO is one of the worst I have seen. Does it get better in the second half or something?
 
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RT has weird rankings. They weight the critic aggregate higher than the audience. So if the movie is loved by audiences, but critically panned, it can have a low RT score.
 
Sircolby45 said:
*sigh* Remember a time when they made good movies? (Dammit....I sound like an old fart saying that) I haven't been to the theaters in years because #1 I would rather watch them in my own home theater setup and #2 there really isn't any movies that are worth the cost of a movie ticket as of late TBH. I know some are hating on it, but Pirates 5 is actually 1 that "almost" tempted me, but again I would rather watch it in the comfort of my own home. I have a pretty good setup and I am a bit of a hermit to boot. Dangit! No...I am not as old as I sound. lol

Although honestly I never even look at critic ratings. They are usually a bunch of snooty snobs anyway and wouldn't know a good movie if it kicked them in the face. I pay more attention to actual peoples ratings than the critics.
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Watching it at home is a big deal. The screen may be a bit smaller... but no one sitting in front of you no one kicking your chair from the back. Popcorn that costs me 1/100 the price... and I don't have to charge myself a buck to throw some extra butter on the top.

I was semi tempted by pirates... then I thought na. The first one was the only really fantastic one... so my daughter and I fired it up on Netflix. Which reminded me that one advantage to Netflix Canada... they have a great deal with Disney, Pirates (whatever version they are up to) will likely be on Canadian Netflix before the end of the summer. :)
 
thejokker said:
Good... One less misandristic SJW we have to contend with on this site. Go away; Please...

Bla, bla, bla female driven... Bla, bla, bla directed by a woman... If that is all the movie has to offer than the movie would be a huge bomb. The success of "Wonder Woman" is completely dependent upon a movie that is satisfying to the male perspective and because Gal Gadot is a sexy hot chick. She shaves her armpits... Sex sells... Get over it...
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Uh...I don't give two shits that Gal Gadot is hot, but I really want to see it. It looks like a good action movie. My friend Laura doesn't give two shits that Gal Gadot is hot and also wants to see it. She thinks it looks good and is excited about the feminist side of it. I'm not saying no one wants to see it because Gal Gadot is hot, but that can't be the primary reason. I also don't give two shits whether or not she shaves her armpits. Who cares?
 
frelled said:
Did you really just say "I know I should keep my mouth shut before I see it, but Wonder Woman’s Certified Fresh score has the stink of SJWs all over it."? It couldn't possibly be because it is a good movie and people like seeing a women driven and directed movie? A movie staring and directed by a woman must be terrible with only the SJW saving it. You sir are an ass and you just lost this site a reader.
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[H] is pretty much the Alt-Right of tech sites. So complaining about a high scoring movie with a female lead, is par for the course here.
 
I don't need rotten tomatoes to realize what the studios are pumping out is sewage.
 
I have always found RT to very accurately reflect the quality of a movie. Personally I dont have a film type, I just like to see good shit. I thought the trailers for Wonder Woman looked awful and had already written the movie off as a flop, but if RT is giving it high scores maybe it's worth watching. If the movie turns out to be awful I'll probably reconsider using RT as a source for good film reviews. Even if WW is "not for me" I can still recognize and appreciate a quality film if it is in fact a quality film. I have a hard time thinking RT could be so easily manipulated by SJW critics since they tend to have pretty honest critics aggregated into their review metrics.
 
Alt right of tech sites? I think you mean the most manly of tech sites.

You can disagree with someone and still like and respect them. Don't hate. Appreciate.

Dan has it right. RT is all over the place.

Anyway, I am going to Wonder Woman and my pants may or may not stay on. Gal Gadot is a whooohoootskidoodle!
 
Snowdog said:
[H] is pretty much the Alt-Right of tech sites. So complaining about a high scoring movie with a female lead, is par for the course here.
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Basically , it seems "alt-right" because it's not a majority of 18-30 something males who forgot it's ok to be a man , that feelings get hurt and safe spaces are for pussies. There are plenty of those sites where most of the posters are trying to see how they can prove just how more "progressive" they are than the next , and cheer ESPN giving Caitlyn Jenner another award.

The main reason I've kept coming here over the many years (far before I registered) , is because it seems to not be a majority of Triggly Puff, trigger warning college pricks.

And as far as the WW movie goes , the vast majority of the critics who write those reviews are the same crowd who knew Clinton was going to win before the election was held , and refuse to acknowledge the fact , like some here , that if you put an average looking chick in the role of Wonder Woman , it would flop. See GhostBusters.

It'll making money because , well , she's hot. That helps tremendously.

My daughter wants to see it , and we will , in part because she is pretty. As horrifying as it is , some girls still think its ok to be pretty. My daughter's heroes are all "pretty". Not one fat , Amy Schumer looking doll , figure , or show she wants to see or likes.

Go figure , there's quite a good chance most folks are still "normal" in that regard.
 
akaliel said:
I remember when Gladiator came out, I was in university and studying ancient Rome history. So while it was a fine movie, I had to hate it. Because of every thing they did that wasn't even close to history.

That was me back then. Me now finds it fine. I liked The 300 more though :)
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You liked gunpowder throwing ancient Persians with a clean shaven white guy emperor? George is a portrait of dichotomy !!
 
Megalith said:
know I should keep my mouth shut before I see it, but Wonder Woman’s Certified Fresh score has the stink of SJWs all over it.
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Or you know it could just be a good movie? Its comments like that, that push those so-called "SJW"s to do what they feel like they have to in order to push their agenda. People blame the SJW's for how they react to situations, but it's the constant politicization of every damn subject that doesn't need to be politicized that causes this reaction/behavior.

Why don't we decide if the movie should be rated highly, or if it's just a political agenda, by oh I don't know, seeing it first?
 
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Snowdog said:
[H] is pretty much the Alt-Right of tech sites. So complaining about a high scoring movie with a female lead, is par for the course here.
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Yep. It's just another checkmark where I especially believed Trump's claims that he can shoot somebody in the middle of a crowded street and still be bulletproof. But we're at a point in society where we are all set in our beliefs. No one is going to change anyone's minds.
Vermillion said:
I typically don't pay attention to the critics portion on Rotten Tomatoes. They don't know what *I* like. I usually go with the audience percentage. I find that anything above 75% is usually worth my time to watch at some point if the movie genre is something I enjoy.
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Same here. I only look at the audience score portion of RT. If it is 65%+ for a movie I'm interested in, I'll most likely enjoy it if I go see it.
 
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According to the article, a movie's Rotten Tomatoes score is based on the scores of critics. If how a movie performs at the box office is heavily influenced by its RT score, and the RT score is entirely influenced by the scores given by critics, maybe movie studios should make movies that appeal to critics more instead of whining that they made a movie that can't possibly make as much money as they unrealistically projected, because it is going to be entirely unappealing to critics.
 
I can't figure out for the life of me why Rotten Tomatoes hasn't been issued a take-down notice. While, strictly speaking, not copyright infringement, clearly slander and 'fake-reviews' are at play here. It's no wonder that with all of the negative reviews and piracy that studios no longer profit from movies. :rolleyes:
 
RT is kind of like Yelp for restaurants. Some critic review and general public perception are skewed. All it takes is one bad remark to snowball it into oblivion.

I don't read reviews and I avoid trailers and spoilers when I can. To me, all of those makes the movie going experience that much less rich and entertaining.

I saw Colossal recently. To me, it was a terrible film. I stopped watching it mid way. Total waste of time. I also heard lots of peeps walked out of the theater mid way also. RT gave it glowing reviews, some 79%. I'm like WTF?
 
frelled said:
Did you really just say "I know I should keep my mouth shut before I see it, but Wonder Woman’s Certified Fresh score has the stink of SJWs all over it."? It couldn't possibly be because it is a good movie and people like seeing a women driven and directed movie? A movie staring and directed by a woman must be terrible with only the SJW saving it. You sir are an ass and you just lost this site a reader.
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The fact that you are jumping all over him with sexism talk.. further proves his point.

I think it will be shitty, because almost all superhero movies are shitty. I don't really care what gender the hero is, or even if they are human. Still shitty. Yet i've read countless stories on sites about how this is the "first good female superhero movie"... really media, you haven't even seen it. They are just regurgitating rotten tomatoes. Something seems off here.
 
Megalith said:
I know I should keep my mouth shut before I see it, but Wonder Woman’s Certified Fresh score has the stink of SJWs all over it.
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That's kind of hard to avoid with WW. This is what her creator said of her in 1943:

Not even girls want to be girls so long as our feminine archetype lacks force, strength, and power. Not wanting to be girls, they don't want to be tender, submissive, peace-loving as good women are. Women's strong qualities have become despised because of their weakness. The obvious remedy is to create a feminine character with all the strength of Superman plus all the allure of a good and beautiful woman.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wonder_Woman
 
otherweeb said:
You liked gunpowder throwing ancient Persians with a clean shaven white guy emperor? George is a portrait of dichotomy !!
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George enjoyed it. George enjoyed it very much.

Hard to believe the Xerxes is Hector in Westworld.
 
ChadD said:
People didn't go see baywatch... for a few reasons and non of them have to do with the reviews.
1) its based on a bad TV show from the late 80s. (its not like other 80s tv movies have been massive hits)
2) the nostalgia audience for such properties is old (ok where not that old) but seriously I don't expect millions of 45-55 year old people where looking to go and watch a R rated raunchcomm based on a 30 year old sub par TV show. As for anyone younger... they aren't even going to know what Baywatch was, its not like it lives in syndication or something. People under 30 don't even know who Pam Anderson and David H are... why would they be interested in the property.

If Baywatch flopping was a shock to them it should be clear they have no idea what they are doing. That movie is the poster child for movies that invoke... "I'll wait till its on Netflix".
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Baywatch, Starsky and Hutch, 21 Jump Street, ect.... Why does Hollywood have to turn mediocre TV shows that were actually dramas, into some kind of slap stick comedy? That is why they all flop. Anyone who actually enjoyed watching the shows when young feel cheated when the movie makes a joke out of it.

If they remake Gone With the Wind, they will probably make Rhett into some kind of bumbling wannabe macho man, and Scarlett into a powerful female business leader. It would be something like Al Bundy meets Erin Brockovich. But it couldn't be set in the south during the Civil War, because Heaven Forbid we even mention the Confederacy.

Hollywood can't make a good movie any more simply because they are too worried about offending someone or not getting their political opinion through. I wonder what would happen if Mel Brookes came to Universal today with the script for Blazing Saddles :)
 
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Gotta say I am not going to see Pirates because of the terrible reviews and the good reviews of Wonder Woman now have me planning to see the movie. So really the issue isn't Rotten Tomatoes, it's that studios are putting out shitty movies and people have an easier time figuring it out.
 
jedijeb13 said:
Baywatch, Starsky and Hutch, 21 Jump Street, ect.... Why does Hollywood have to turn mediocre TV shows that were actually dramas, into some kind of slap stick comedy? That is why they all flop. Anyone who actually enjoyed watching the shows when young feel cheated when the movie makes a joke out of it.

If they remake Gone With the Wind, they will probably make Rhett into some kind of bumbling wannabe macho man, and Scarlett into a powerful female business leader. It would be something like Al Bundy meets Erin Brockovich. But it couldn't be set in the south during the Civil War, because Heaven Forbid we even mention the Confederacy.

Hollywood can't make a good movie any more simply because they are too worried about offending someone or not getting their political opinion through. I wonder what would happen if Mel Brookes came to Universal today with the script for Blazing Saddles :)
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21 Jump Street was a lot better than it had any right to be. And I wouldn't really call Baywatch a drama. It was pure cheese and more often than not unintentionally hilarious. The movie actually looks fun to me. Not worth seeing in a theater, but The Rock is charming as fuck and tends to make even bad movies work. If Baywatch is as dumb as it looks I'll have blast, but there was zero chance that it wouldn't big a pretty big flop. The studio should have partnered with Amazon or Netflix and had it be a digital release there instead of a theatrical release.
 
no one needed a website to tell them bay watch was going to be shit, the trailers did that for us. Piratrs 5 was fine and isnt it doing really well?
 
frelled said:
Did you really just say "I know I should keep my mouth shut before I see it, but Wonder Woman’s Certified Fresh score has the stink of SJWs all over it."? It couldn't possibly be because it is a good movie and people like seeing a women driven and directed movie? A movie staring and directed by a woman must be terrible with only the SJW saving it. You sir are an ass and you just lost this site a reader.
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Seeya! Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
 
ChadD said:
People didn't go see baywatch... for a few reasons and non of them have to do with the reviews.
1) its based on a bad TV show from the late 80s. (its not like other 80s tv movies have been massive hits)
2) the nostalgia audience for such properties is old (ok where not that old) but seriously I don't expect millions of 45-55 year old people where looking to go and watch a R rated raunchcomm based on a 30 year old sub par TV show. As for anyone younger... they aren't even going to know what Baywatch was, its not like it lives in syndication or something. People under 30 don't even know who Pam Anderson and David H are... why would they be interested in the property.

If Baywatch flopping was a shock to them it should be clear they have no idea what they are doing. That movie is the poster child for movies that invoke... "I'll wait till its on Netflix".
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Baywatch was just an example...
The whole point of critics score is for people to decide if it is worth it or not to go watch the movie
 
Dead Parrot said:
What it the critic posting the score really judging?
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Depends on the movie. Most of the time a critic would judge their own farts. With pretentious movies they judge the director's farts.
 
Bigbacon said:
no one needed a website to tell them bay watch was going to be shit, the trailers did that for us. Piratrs 5 was fine and isnt it doing really well?
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Right now it's sitting on about 90 million domestic and 300 million world wide so a little less than 400 million overall. Which isn't as well as it's predecessors did. But it is the 5th movie of the franchise, so not really unexpected. It'll still make money for Disney, but the margins are getting pretty tight. I would expect this to be the last of them. Guardians of the Galaxy 2 on the other hand has been a massive success for them. We took the kids there on opening weekend. What a fun movie.
 
Megalith said:
Studio insiders are contemplating holding off critic screenings until opening day or canceling them altogether due to the impact that Rotten Tomatoes is having on the public reception of movies and advance ticket sales. This is the part where I say studios should just make an honest effort at producing good flicks, but I feel that RT deserves at least a little bit of criticism. Most people don’t even realize it is an aggregator, and the site’s popularity makes it a useful avenue for like-minded “critics” to promote an agenda. I know I should keep my mouth shut before I see it, but Wonder Woman’s Certified Fresh score has the stink of SJWs all over it.

Insiders close to both films blame Rotten Tomatoes, with Pirates 5 and Baywatch respectively earning 32% and 19% Rotten. The critic aggregation site increasingly is slowing down the potential business of popcorn movies. Pirates 5 and Baywatch aren’t built for critics but rather general audiences, and once upon a time these types of films — a family adventure and a raunchy R-rated comedy — were critic-proof. Many of those in the industry severely question how Rotten Tomatoes computes the its ratings, and the fact that these scores run on Fandango (which owns RT) is an even bigger problem.
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Wuh? Hate to break it to you Megalith, but critics don't typically talk to each other before writing a review. Siskel and Ebert often screened movies together and they didn't have a clue what the other thought till they filmed their TV show (or read it in the paper). Sorry, but there are plenty of reviewers that disagree with the tomato meter. When a movie get 13% it's just bad. Now if you're a fan of bad movies (and plenty are), then go see it. I tend to look at a few different reviewers. Back in the day Siskel and Ebert were up there. They're dead, so these days I generally look at James Berardinelli, Walt Mossberg and sometiems Peter Traverse. I also like Christine Lemire.

And if people don't know it's an aggregator, then they're idiots. The entire reason for going there is to have a single site that links to a gazillion reviews.

thejokker said:
Good... One less misandristic SJW we have to contend with on this site. Go away; Please...

Bla, bla, bla female driven... Bla, bla, bla directed by a woman... If that is all the movie has to offer than the movie would be a huge bomb. The success of "Wonder Woman" is completely dependent upon a movie that is satisfying to the male perspective and because Gal Gadot is a sexy hot chick. She shaves her armpits... Sex sells... Get over it...
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Indeed. All these SJW types actually think women go to movies. Idiots.
 
fuzzylogik said:
Yup, only take notice with reviews from folks I know that have similar tastes. I remember back with the first matrix came out - it had horrible reviews from the big name critics. LOL.

As for tomorrow's opening - i guess i'll find out :)
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While I don't disagree with your method, you're dead wrong on the Matrix reviews. They were quite positive. A quick look on RT shows that. No, don't look at the dates on RT, click through. Everyone I looked was from 1999 (including the ones that are allegedly from 2015). Note I only look at the cream of the crop, which was far less favorable and yet still came up with a fresh rating on the film.
 
I will say that rotten tomatoes is good at determining if a movie is "broken." That means that there is enough wrong with the mechanics of the movie that it makes watching it unenjoyable.
 
I only read RT so I can figure out which marvel flavor of the month superhero to choose on my cola bottles.
 
Wonder Woman is pretty good in fairness. Maybe not as good as the score intimates, but I liked it.
 
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