Studios Blame Rotten Tomatoes for Ruining Summer Movies

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Studio insiders are contemplating holding off critic screenings until opening day or canceling them altogether due to the impact that Rotten Tomatoes is having on the public reception of movies and advance ticket sales. This is the part where I say studios should just make an honest effort at producing good flicks, but I feel that RT deserves at least a little bit of criticism. Most people don’t even realize it is an aggregator, and the site’s popularity makes it a useful avenue for like-minded “critics” to promote an agenda. I know I should keep my mouth shut before I see it, but Wonder Woman’s Certified Fresh score has the stink of SJWs all over it.

Insiders close to both films blame Rotten Tomatoes, with Pirates 5 and Baywatch respectively earning 32% and 19% Rotten. The critic aggregation site increasingly is slowing down the potential business of popcorn movies. Pirates 5 and Baywatch aren’t built for critics but rather general audiences, and once upon a time these types of films — a family adventure and a raunchy R-rated comedy — were critic-proof. Many of those in the industry severely question how Rotten Tomatoes computes the its ratings, and the fact that these scores run on Fandango (which owns RT) is an even bigger problem.
 
While I do check ratings (usually more than one), I also tend to keep in mind how past movies were rated and how accurate they reflected my opinion. I've seen plenty of movies which RT had rated very high that I didn't care for, and vice versa. You simply need to know how it relates to you.
 
Did you really just say "I know I should keep my mouth shut before I see it, but Wonder Woman’s Certified Fresh score has the stink of SJWs all over it."? It couldn't possibly be because it is a good movie and people like seeing a women driven and directed movie? A movie staring and directed by a woman must be terrible with only the SJW saving it. You sir are an ass and you just lost this site a reader.
 
frelled said:
Did you really just say "I know I should keep my mouth shut before I see it, but Wonder Woman’s Certified Fresh score has the stink of SJWs all over it."? It couldn't possibly be because it is a good movie and people like seeing a women driven and directed movie? A movie staring and directed by a woman must be terrible with only the SJW saving it. You sir are an ass and you just lost this site a reader.
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You'd be a fool to think there aren't political agendas in movies or in most of the press. o_O

Conscious or subconscious on the reporters' part...
 
I typically don't pay attention to the critics portion on Rotten Tomatoes. They don't know what *I* like. I usually go with the audience percentage. I find that anything above 75% is usually worth my time to watch at some point if the movie genre is something I enjoy.

Pirates 5 right now has a 72% approval rating from audiences. That tells me it's probably a fun popcorn flick. So I'll probably watch it when it hits Netflix or costs $2 to rent via on-demand or Google Play.

Look at Pirates 4 though at 54%. To this day I haven't bothered watching it beyond catching the end on cable TV and the end was pretty damn meh.

Baywatch is 70% right now. Again I doubt I'll see that one in the theater (no real interest) but 70% audience rating (if that doesn't fall anymore) tells me it's probably worth watching if/when it hits Netflix.

The 92% critics rating of Wonder Woman doesn't pass the sniff test. DC hasn't done anything right with their DCEU movies. I'll wait till after the weekend to see how the audience judges WW before I decide to pony up the money or not.
 
Megalith said:
Studio insiders are contemplating holding off critic screenings until opening day or canceling them altogether due to the impact that Rotten Tomatoes is having on the public reception of movies and advance ticket sales. This is the part where I say studios should just make an honest effort at producing good flicks, but I feel that RT deserves at least a little bit of criticism. Most people don’t even realize it is an aggregator, and the site’s popularity makes it a useful avenue for like-minded “critics” to promote an agenda. I know I should keep my mouth shut before I see it, but Wonder Woman’s Certified Fresh score has the stink of SJWs all over it.

Insiders close to both films blame Rotten Tomatoes, with Pirates 5 and Baywatch respectively earning 32% and 19% Rotten. The critic aggregation site increasingly is slowing down the potential business of popcorn movies. Pirates 5 and Baywatch aren’t built for critics but rather general audiences, and once upon a time these types of films — a family adventure and a raunchy R-rated comedy — were critic-proof. Many of those in the industry severely question how Rotten Tomatoes computes the its ratings, and the fact that these scores run on Fandango (which owns RT) is an even bigger problem.
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Could be, but I had a few friends get in to an early screening and they really liked it. I am going tonight, so hopefully I agree.
 
frelled said:
Did you really just say "I know I should keep my mouth shut before I see it, but Wonder Woman’s Certified Fresh score has the stink of SJWs all over it."? It couldn't possibly be because it is a good movie and people like seeing a women driven and directed movie? A movie staring and directed by a woman must be terrible with only the SJW saving it. You sir are an ass and you just lost this site a reader.
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Found the SJW!
 
Vermillion said:
I typically don't pay attention to the critics portion on Rotten Tomatoes. They don't know what *I* like. I usually go with the audience percentage. I find that anything above 75% is usually worth my time to watch at some point if the movie genre is something I enjoy.

The 92% critics rating of Wonder Woman doesn't pass the sniff test. DC hasn't done anything right with their DCEU movies. I'll wait till after the weekend to see how the audience judges WW before I decide to pony up the money or not.
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Right on the money with this statement. I could bet money that the reviews after will just tear it apart. I don't want movies with a "strong woman" I want movies with a "strong actor".
 
darn.. i really liked this site.. but one of my internet rules is once people start saying "SJW" i stay away. The only people that use that term are really grumpy dudes that hate on everyone. (tho honestly that hate can a lot of the time be felt from megalith's post anyone.)
 
frelled said:
Did you really just say "I know I should keep my mouth shut before I see it, but Wonder Woman’s Certified Fresh score has the stink of SJWs all over it."? It couldn't possibly be because it is a good movie and people like seeing a women driven and directed movie? A movie staring and directed by a woman must be terrible with only the SJW saving it. You sir are an ass and you just lost this site a reader.
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"Women driven and directed" is the thing you use to describe and pitch the movie? Unironically?

Also, most summer movies today are shit and RT is a useless agenda driven agregator.
 
zurv said:
darn.. i really liked this site.. but one of my internet rules is once people start saying "SJW" i stay away. The only people that use that term are really grumpy dudes that hate on everyone. (tho honestly that hate can a lot of the time be felt from megalith's post anyone.)
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One of my internet rules is to ignore the irony of someone who categorizes a group of people they hate because they categorize a group of people.
 
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Hey, Hollywood studios: denial ain't just a river in Egypt. Trying to blame RT instead of your own efforts isn't going to get people into movie theaters.
 
I learned a long time ago not to listen to any movie critic that isn't someone I actually know and who's opinions I value.

Maybe it's because I have no taste.

Maybe when it comes to movies, I'm the lowest common denominator.

But all maybes aside, it's my money and I'll spend it and my time on what I like and the rest can go fuck themselves :ROFLMAO:
 
They green lit a Baywatch movie, Pirates 19, Power Rangers?, and allowed a Arthur that seems to have been edited by a high school student. I think we all know where the blame lies.

All you have to do is look at how much money some poorly reviewed movies have made to understand bad reviews don't sink things people want to see.
The boss baby RT 52% - 170 million and still counting
Fifty shades darker 9% - 115 million
Power Rangers 46% - 85 million
A dogs purpose 29% - 64 million
XXX 43% - 45 million

Their flops are on them. It doesn't shock anyone that Baywatch was a flop and people are sick of watching Depp play a brain damaged pirate. They should also blame some really bad marketing for other flops. Marketing should be able to sell just about anything Tom Hanks decides to do but the marketing for the circle was terrible... and it should have still made more money then its RT deserved.
 
ChadD said:
They green lit a Baywatch movie, Pirates 19, Power Rangers?, and allowed a Arthur that seems to have been edited by a high school student. I think we all know where the blame lies.

All you have to do is look at how much money some poorly reviewed movies have made to understand bad reviews don't sink things people want to see.
The boss baby RT 52% - 170 million and still counting
Fifty shades darker 9% - 115 million
Power Rangers 46% - 85 million
A dogs purpose 29% - 64 million
XXX 43% - 45 million

Their flops are on them. It doesn't shock anyone that Baywatch was a flop and people are sick of watching Depp play a brain damaged pirate. They should also blame some really bad marketing for other flops. Marketing should be able to sell just about anything Tom Hanks decides to do but the marketing for the circle was terrible... and it should have still made more money then its RT deserved.
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Hey, I still like that brain dead pirate although I haven't seen the movie yet, I'm sure I will.

But as far as trailers go, Wonder Woman looks like it's be entertaining. Sure looked better than Pirate 5's trailer. The new Transformer's trailer looks good too.

But you are correct about how the money doesn't always seem to match the ratings and there are reasons for that.
 
frelled said:
Did you really just say "I know I should keep my mouth shut before I see it, but Wonder Woman’s Certified Fresh score has the stink of SJWs all over it."? It couldn't possibly be because it is a good movie and people like seeing a women driven and directed movie? A movie staring and directed by a woman must be terrible with only the SJW saving it. You sir are an ass and you just lost this site a reader.
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Yeah, sometimes it's tough rummaging through these forums with the amount of comments people plop down that divide this community further and further . I definitely have considered leaving these forums several times. Oh well.
 
Rotten tomatoes has become a "Better than thou" club
Shit on everything or be seen as a pleb.
Perceived self importance makes for bad reviews

I read critic reviews on complex movies and generally find shallow pedantic reviews. Not smart people.
 
Vermillion said:
I typically don't pay attention to the critics portion on Rotten Tomatoes. They don't know what *I* like. I usually go with the audience percentage. I find that anything above 75% is usually worth my time to watch at some point if the movie genre is something I enjoy.

Pirates 5 right now has a 72% approval rating from audiences. That tells me it's probably a fun popcorn flick. So I'll probably watch it when it hits Netflix or costs $2 to rent via on-demand or Google Play.

Look at Pirates 4 though at 54%. To this day I haven't bothered watching it beyond catching the end on cable TV and the end was pretty damn meh.

Baywatch is 70% right now. Again I doubt I'll see that one in the theater (no real interest) but 70% audience rating (if that doesn't fall anymore) tells me it's probably worth watching if/when it hits Netflix.

The 92% critics rating of Wonder Woman doesn't pass the sniff test. DC hasn't done anything right with their DCEU movies. I'll wait till after the weekend to see how the audience judges WW before I decide to pony up the money or not.
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That is a bad way to read the scores

The rt score of baywatch was very low so most of the people didn t go to watch it (shitty box office) the only ones that went were the hard core fans of the actors so their score are baised and overly positive.

That s why you have a low critic score and an high pubblic score
 
Rottentomatoes can be really off with certain types of films. Any kind of feminist/girl power movie like the new Ghostbusters or Wonder Woman is going to have an inflated score. I've also found that critics are absolutely clueless when it comes to horror films. Great horror films get mediocre or bad scores, and lame horror movies will have like a 90%+.
 
greyhound said:
That is a bad way to read the scores

The rt score of baywatch was very low so most of the people didn t go to watch it (shitty box office) the only ones that went were the hard core fans of the actors so their score are baised and overly positive.

That s why you have a low critic score and an high pubblic score
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And you can believe what you want. For me the way I measure works well as I've been using it for a number of years now. Anything with 75% audience approval rating that fits the genres I watch has never let me down.
 
greyhound said:
That is a bad way to read the scores

The rt score of baywatch was very low so most of the people didn t go to watch it (shitty box office) the only ones that went were the hard core fans of the actors so their score are baised and overly positive.

That s why you have a low critic score and an high pubblic score
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People didn't go see baywatch... for a few reasons and non of them have to do with the reviews.
1) its based on a bad TV show from the late 80s. (its not like other 80s tv movies have been massive hits)
2) the nostalgia audience for such properties is old (ok where not that old) but seriously I don't expect millions of 45-55 year old people where looking to go and watch a R rated raunchcomm based on a 30 year old sub par TV show. As for anyone younger... they aren't even going to know what Baywatch was, its not like it lives in syndication or something. People under 30 don't even know who Pam Anderson and David H are... why would they be interested in the property.

If Baywatch flopping was a shock to them it should be clear they have no idea what they are doing. That movie is the poster child for movies that invoke... "I'll wait till its on Netflix".
 
Vermillion said:
I typically don't pay attention to the critics portion on Rotten Tomatoes. They don't know what *I* like. I usually go with the audience percentage. I find that anything above 75% is usually worth my time to watch at some point if the movie genre is something I enjoy.

Pirates 5 right now has a 72% approval rating from audiences. That tells me it's probably a fun popcorn flick. So I'll probably watch it when it hits Netflix or costs $2 to rent via on-demand or Google Play.

Look at Pirates 4 though at 54%. To this day I haven't bothered watching it beyond catching the end on cable TV and the end was pretty damn meh.

Baywatch is 70% right now. Again I doubt I'll see that one in the theater (no real interest) but 70% audience rating (if that doesn't fall anymore) tells me it's probably worth watching if/when it hits Netflix.

The 92% critics rating of Wonder Woman doesn't pass the sniff test. DC hasn't done anything right with their DCEU movies. I'll wait till after the weekend to see how the audience judges WW before I decide to pony up the money or not.
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I usually find a critic that I tend to agree with on most everything, and then just read what they say about it. I trust the critic average more than the audience average in general. I find that the audience ratings tend to be skewed by whatever the thing to hate is on that particular day. Fully expect a lot of 1 star reviews for Wonder Woman based on a single theater in Texas having a girls only screening of the movie. Sort of like Steam reviews where a game gets trashed on and all the reviews say "I hate this game because this company has a CEO with views I hate!" I don't care about anyone's crusade. I just want to know if it's worth taking the family out
 
Maybe if the studios actually advertised movies rather then just posting trailers on social media sites, more folks might find out about them. How do you know to search for a trailer if you don't already know to search for the trailer?

And the problem with critics is we need a score on what the critic is really critiquing. Lots of movies will never be nominated for Oscars but wind up being very fun to watch. Others win tons of awards and are a bore to watch. What it the critic posting the score really judging?
 
frelled said:
Did you really just say "I know I should keep my mouth shut before I see it, but Wonder Woman’s Certified Fresh score has the stink of SJWs all over it."? It couldn't possibly be because it is a good movie and people like seeing a women driven and directed movie? A movie staring and directed by a woman must be terrible with only the SJW saving it. You sir are an ass and you just lost this site a reader.
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Man, I hate when the SJWs all conspire together to make Megalith angry by rating a movie more highly than he feels it deserves. Those jerks.





And yes, RT isn't the problem here. "How dare you rate that crappy thing we made as crap!" lol
 
Rotten tomatoes gave Brokeback mountain what, %98 back in the day I think? Now it's %87 that right there should write it off, no one wanted to say what a pos that movie was for fear of SJWs and being labeled as a bigot etc. LGBQT or whatever it is woman I work with said that it was extremely poor movie about nothing. Really if it was a man cheating on his wife with a woman would it be such a highly rated movie that was a Oscar nomination? To Wong Foo has %41 and was entertaining and has a back story.

Guardians of the galaxy 1 rated way higher than 2, definitely not how I see it, 1 had some cheeseball hippy hand holding ending that was very very clearly foreshadowed in beginning and a weak ending. 2 I laughed and enjoyed the entire film

Arrival..nuff said, this should be ripped apart for the boring snooze fest it was

Gladiator is only %76, movie was awesome on big screen, one of the best I've ever seen

Dirty Grandpa is %11...movie was pretty damn funny!

Logan %92....eh that's a bit of a stretch for the really rushed weak ending...takes super juice that is supposed to make him go crazy...doesn't attack vehicles filled with enemies once, don't show what he did to xmen, and his death was pretty weak sort of fantastic four one where they make a plan and defeat doom in about 30 seconds.
 
If I let critics decide what movies I watch, I'd probably never watch any, and I'd be the one missing out on the fun as a result. Being highly critical is sort of what they get paid to do. I'm not too interested in Baywatch or the latest Pirates movie, though.
 
shad0w4life said:
Gladiator is only %76, movie was awesome on big screen, one of the best I've ever seen
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I remember when Gladiator came out, I was in university and studying ancient Rome history. So while it was a fine movie, I had to hate it. Because of every thing they did that wasn't even close to history.

That was me back then. Me now finds it fine. I liked The 300 more though :)
 
Rotten Tomatos has nothing to do with why I hardly go to the movies. It's the studios' general disrespect for their customers more than anything by releasing the same drivel year after year. More than half of them are squeals or remakes....I've seen all of this shit already.

Fast and Furious 8
Transformers 4 (or is it 5?)
The mummy - remake after 3 mummy movies Just a decade ago
Pirates of the Caribbean 5
King Arthur - one of these every 10 years or so
Gurdians of the Galaxy 2
Wonder Woman - Another franchise movie (though I do want to see it)
Alien Covenant #6?
Cars 3
The diary of a Winpy Kid 2
Despicable me 3
Planet of the Apes 3

Enough Already. Give me something new and I'll go, but for fucks sake why the hell should I spend $30 and 2.5 hours of my time to see the same crap as last year, when I could just go to the bar down the street instead and have a better time?
 
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I just look at the divergence between audience score and the critical score to determine if it doesn't pass the sniff test. Everyone has an agenda, in regards to brokeback mountain you aren't going to win any arguments that it sucks using an 87% score as your proof. It made 178 million on a 14 million dollar budget on top of the fact that it was not exactly a mass market oriented film.
 
I don't check ratings, never have. I may ask a friend or two what I thought of it and I take in to mind what they have liked in the past and what their preferences are. I believe that more people do this and rush off to some review site to see some score by that's based on... something, by people they don't know.

The outcome is still the same, crappy movies have less people buying their tickets.


This argument of theirs seems to be the same as cutting demos from the PC game industry. The only problem is people may not be as eager to see movies and will just wait period - or ask those that have seen it and decided if they should go or not.
 
frelled said:
Did you really just say "I know I should keep my mouth shut before I see it, but Wonder Woman’s Certified Fresh score has the stink of SJWs all over it."? It couldn't possibly be because it is a good movie and people like seeing a women driven and directed movie? A movie staring and directed by a woman must be terrible with only the SJW saving it. You sir are an ass and you just lost this site a reader.
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Good... One less misandristic SJW we have to contend with on this site. Go away; Please...

Bla, bla, bla female driven... Bla, bla, bla directed by a woman... If that is all the movie has to offer than the movie would be a huge bomb. The success of "Wonder Woman" is completely dependent upon a movie that is satisfying to the male perspective and because Gal Gadot is a sexy hot chick. She shaves her armpits... Sex sells... Get over it...
 
I blame crappy movies like BayWatch. Seriously BayWatch? Fucking 1990's just called and they want their crappy shows back. Nobody cared for BayWatch except horny teenagers, and they didn't have the Internet for porn. Going through Rotten Tomatoes list shows a plethora of terrible movies. Stop making bad movies?
 
I really enjoy watching terrible movies at times. Pour the whiskey, get comfortable, turn off the mind, and watch some trash.

Usually don't watch them at the theater though!
 
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