Encrypt and Lock Your Phone - Go to Jail

Cyraxx said:
You have a lot to learn in life bud. Actually, a SHITLOAD. If you think presenting potential evidence as if it will HELP your case of innocence, you're dead wrong.
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When I have not committed any crime there is no 'evidence' by default.

There are plenty of people like you - they consent to things like a search of their car - and then they find something you never even realized was there. Before you know it you're pleading and begging and saying that it wasn't you ..... all because you consented under the stupid guise of "I'll look more suspicious if I don't consent".
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And what exactly are they going to find from my mint condition Mercedes Benz? Not a speck of dust.

Not to mention, consenting to searching an electronic device is about 50x worse than searching a physical car. Everything from the files you possess, to the websites you have visited, to the searches you have done - what other people have done on your computer - etc... are all ready to be combed through to try to prove whatever narrative they are after. You are never going to have a case of "Oh, he handed it over to us so we just did a quick glance and handed it back".

Before you know it, they find some CP on your computer in your temporary internet files because you browsed 4chan occasionally and someone posted a CP image that was (obviously) downloaded to your temporary internet files. Or you were curious and did a search for "how to make a bomb".
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I don't use stupidities like social media, I don't allow unattended access to my computer/phone and I don't browse illegal sites so I don't know what you're rambling about. Sounds like you're a criminal and you're projecting your worries on me.

Maybe - if you're a mentally retarded person with that sort of twisted logic.
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I think you're the mentally retarded one. Why are you obliged to do crime?
 
B00nie said:
How twisted are you to take the side of a child molester, anyway?
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In your earlier post which I quoted, your reasoning strongly implied that you personally judge people as guilty without evidence. But in the post of yours that I've just quoted, you're outright claiming that the person is guilty, and should be persecuted for it - without evidence. And you're also persecuting the poster you've quoted over something there is no evidence of them doing - while also showing yourself fully willing to persecute by association. You're exemplifying exactly the type of abuses that rights and laws exist to protect.

You're displaying every characteristic that represents a corrupt and animalistic mindset, with little comprehension, and large hypocrisy. I think that you need to do some serious thinking, because there's clearly a lot that you don't understand about people, society, and what makes everything work for good.
 
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kju1 said:
Thats just utter bullshit. You aren't hiding anything because you have nothing to hide. But that doesn't mean you share everything with the cops.

You havent committed any crime that you are aware of. Can you 100% guarantee you know every law and havent broken one that your phone can be used to incriminate you on? Because if not and the cops see it...guess what they can prosecute you for it. Even if you did it by accident.

Also its not just crimes you may have committed. You could end up providing them evidence to use against you in that case that is misconstrued. For example maybe you have pictures of your kids on your phone and the officers think those are very close to breaking the law...that can now be used against you in court to say "see look what he was doing to his OWN kids!" At the very least it gives them evidence (even if no crime occurred) that they wouldn't have otherwise had.

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EDIT: Also not helping the cops is in NO WAY an admission of guilt. It only means you are being uncooperative and forcing them to follow THE LAW.
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You're fucking paranoid. No, there's NOTHING on my phone that could incriminate me in any imaginable way. What exactly do you think they could find from my phone that 'I would be doing to my own kids'? WTF kind of thinking is that? Are you doing something to your kids that you shouldn't?????

You guys sound like you're committing crimes regularly and are afraid of the police.
 
SirMaster said:
I guess I don't know about that. Why would the police manufacture or plant fake evidence on a regular joe like me? I've had good relationships with the police all my life and I respect them greatly. I guess I just have had different experiences than others in my life which has shaped my view of the situation. I've never had any reason to feel paranoid about or angry at the police or anything like that.

But no, I cannot say that it never happens because I simply don't know.
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Cop has a bad day, cop just doesn't like the way you talk to him, he hates that you drive a nicer car than him, he hates that you looked at him funny, he wants to look good for the bosses. It can happen to anyone and many innocent people end up in jail just because the cop felt like making an arrest that day. There's plenty of times when being nice gets you out of hot water like at a traffic stop but other times you may just be in the wrong place at the wrong time. The best thing you can do in most situations is be respectful, and if they ask you possibly incriminating questions respectfully refuse unless your lawyer is present. Your lawyer has trained for this, he's hopefully done this before, his job is to make sure you don't make his any harder.
 
Delicieuxz said:
In your earlier post which I quoted, your reasoning strongly implied that you personally judge people as guilty without evidence. But in that post the post of your that I've just quoted, you're outright claiming that the person is guilty, and should be persecuted for it - without evidence. And you're also persecuting someone over something there is no evidence of them being - while also showing yourself fully willing to persecute by association.

You're displaying every characteristic that represents a corrupt and animalistic mindset, with little awareness or comprehension. I think that you need to do some serious thinking, because there's clearly a lot that you don't understand about people, society, and what makes everything work for good.
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If a scumbag is getting caught with evidence of child molestation/child porn and he/she refuses to turn over his/her data and browsing history - in my book he/she is very likely guilty. A normal person would clear any doubt openly - a criminal will hold up to every possible twist of the law to not get caught.
 
B00nie said:
When I have not committed any crime there is no 'evidence' by default.

And what exactly are they going to find from my mint condition Mercedes Benz? Not a speck of dust.
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You have a pre-DNA, computers, and microscopes Mercedes? Cuz there's a lot they can learn about you from it IF they want.
 
In a case like this, if they had enough evidence to actually convict the guy for the crime of abusing (hitting) his child, I assume (and maybe I'm wrong) they would continue to prosecute him w/o the additional evidence. The implication being, they don't have enough evidence to convict him. They need his phone to have pictures of his child with injuries that look like abuse. I dunno, seems like a hard sell to me. I'm really glad I don't have to investigate this kind of stuff or be on a jury for it. Seems like it would be really hard to convict w/o some kind of blatant evidence.
 
c3k said:
A citizen should never be compelled to assist the State in their prosecution of him. The judge who issued the warrant and then subsequently demanded that he give his code, was over-reaching. Got a warrant? Okay, get the phone. Good luck with it.
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LOL! You're not assisting the state in the prosecution WHEN YOU HAVE NOTHING TO INCRIMINATE YOURSELF WITH!

Your'e thinking like you all have committed several crimes and need to be careful of revealing anything of yourselves. Coincidentally you probably use Windows and Microsoft knows all your dirty secrets :D
 
B00nie said:
If a scumbag is getting caught with evidence of child molestation/child porn and he/she refuses to turn over his/her data and browsing history - in my book he/she is very likely guilty.
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Again, you have presumed guilt without evidence. That would be because you are an unjust person, who doesn't regard people as equal, and doesn't care much for whatever the truth might be.

It's to protect against unjust actions from people like you that established rights and protective laws exist. You are the bad.
 
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otherweeb said:
You have a pre-DNA, computers, and microscopes Mercedes? Cuz there's a lot they can learn about you from it IF they want.
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Oh yeah. They may find traces of boogers, junk food, dandruft and other severely incriminating things! OOOH I'm sooo sceered.
 
Delicieuxz said:
That would be because you are an unjust person, who doesn't regard people as equal, and doesn't care much for whatever the truth might be.

It's to protect against unjust actions from people like you that established rights and protective laws exist. You are the bad.
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The TRUTH could be very easily revealed by examining the data on the phone. But if you have things to hide, you have things to hide... hmmm...
 
B00nie said:
LOL! You're not assisting the state in the prosecution WHEN YOU HAVE NOTHING TO INCRIMINATE YOURSELF WITH!

Your'e thinking like you all have committed several crimes and need to be careful of revealing anything of yourselves. Coincidentally you probably use Windows and Microsoft knows all your dirty secrets :D
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I'd like to refer you to these fine videos with regard to "having nothing to incriminate yourself with."



 
B00nie said:
If a scumbag is getting caught with evidence of child molestation/child porn and he/she refuses to turn over his/her data and browsing history - in my book he/she is very likely guilty. A normal person would clear any doubt openly - a criminal will hold up to every possible twist of the law to not get caught.
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No, an innocent person will make sure he follows his given rights when being detained which is his right to a lawyer and to not say anything that could possibly be misconstrued or manipulated by the prosecution. In a child pornography case there is really not much you can say if you're already the suspect. The best thing you can do is be quiet and hire an expert legal team with experience in digital forensics to absolve you of any guilt. Wifi hijacker piggybacked off your network to download CP? Was browsing a reddit forum when someone hotlinked to CP and now it's in your temp files? Thought you deleted that? Nope, the prosecutions forensics team just recovered all files you deleted in the last 3 months. Oh you got some torrents in here? You run a VPN? You must perform plenty of illegal activity, now your criminal profile is created for the Jury to believe your guilty of something you didn't even do.
 
Hypergreatthing said:
Here's an example:
So you have bank account apps on your phone?
Did you sell something on ebay worth over 1000$?
Did you forget to claim it on your tax forms?
Ohh noes, tax evasion. Welp, now you can plea bargain about the child porn case with them. They've railroaded another sucker and they put another notch on their career.
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So are you saying you don't report your sales to the tax office like you should? And you're dumb enough to leave an electronic trace of the said fact? What can I say...
 
NickJames said:
No, an innocent person will make sure he follows his given rights when being detained which is his right to a lawyer and to not say anything that could possibly be misconstrued or manipulated by the prosecution. In a child pornography case there is really not much you can say if you're already the suspect. The best thing you can do is be quiet and hire an expert legal team with experience in digital forensics to absolve you of any guilt. Wifi hijacker piggybacked off your network to download CP? Was browsing a reddit forum when someone hotlinked to CP and now it's in your temp files? Thought you deleted that? Nope, the prosecutions forensics team just recovered all files you deleted in the last 3 months. Oh you got some torrents in here? You run a VPN? You must perform plenty of illegal activity, now your criminal profile is created for the Jury to believe your guilty of something you didn't even do.
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And then they really want to know why said person regularly deletes their history if they have 'nothing to hide'.

And it is always someone everyone thinks "wow he seemed so nice and never would harm a fly". It really is always the ones that portray how perfect of a citizen they are lol.
 
Emission said:
I'd like to refer you to these fine videos with regard to "having nothing to incriminate yourself with."



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And then you wonder why people get beaten up and shot by police. No I'm not complying, officer. I'm just going to grab my wallet from my holst.. err pocket.
 
NickJames said:
No, an innocent person will make sure he follows his given rights when being detained which is his right to a lawyer and to not say anything that could possibly be misconstrued or manipulated by the prosecution.
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I would only study my rights and stick to them if I was afraid of being caught with crimes. As it is, I couldn't care less really.

In a child pornography case there is really not much you can say if you're already the suspect. The best thing you can do is be quiet and hire an expert legal team with experience in digital forensics to absolve you of any guilt. Wifi hijacker piggybacked off your network to download CP?
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Very easy to prove, just show your hard drive content and they can verify it was not you browsing the files.

Was browsing a reddit forum when someone hotlinked to CP and now it's in your temp files? Thought you deleted that? Nope, the prosecutions forensics team just recovered all files you deleted in the last 3 months. Oh you got some torrents in here? You run a VPN? You must perform plenty of illegal activity, now your criminal profile is created for the Jury to believe your guilty of something you didn't even do.
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No I don't browse fishy sites and I don't click on links posted by strangers (or since I don't use social media, I don't click shit links, period!). I have no need to run VPN since I don't pirate or take part in other illegal activities that would require me to hide my data use.

Again. Are you a criminal yourself? You seem to have a gazillion of worries I don't have.
 
B00nie said:
And then you wonder why people get beaten up and shot by police. No I'm not complying, officer. I'm just going to grab my wallet from my holst.. err pocket.
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Now you're even trying to find justification for violence against innocent people who acknowledge their rights and treat their rights as their rights. There is a lot wrong with your understanding. Why don't you just admit to yourself that you're a tyrant at heart and don't care for a free and just society? At least then you can start improving.
 
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Delicieuxz said:
Now you're even trying to find justification for violence against people who acknowledge their rights and treat their rights as their rights. There is a lot wrong with your understanding. Why don't you just admit to yourself that you're a tyrant at heart and don't care for a free and just society? At least then you can start improving.
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Why don't you just admit that you're a criminal at heart and feel a compulsive need to hide your actions from the authorities.

A straight, honest person has extremely rarely anything to worry about with the law. Unless your government is completely corrupt (and in this case I suggest you move).
 
B00nie said:
Why don't you just admit that you're a criminal at heart and feel a compulsive need to hide your actions from the authorities.

A straight, honest person has extremely rarely anything to worry about with the law. Unless your government is completely corrupt (and in this case I suggest you move).
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A government is corrupt if it behaves in the manner you are advocating in this thread. You're overtly a sociopath, and a person such as yourself in a position of power is a far greater evil and danger than a child abuser, because instead of affecting one person, or a few people, a person like yourself in a position of power undermines the pillars of society for everybody.
 
B00nie said:
I would only study my rights and stick to them if I was afraid of being caught with crimes. As it is, I couldn't care less really.



Very easy to prove, just show your hard drive content and they can verify it was not you browsing the files.



No I don't browse fishy sites and I don't click on links posted by strangers (or since I don't use social media, I don't click shit links, period!). I have no need to run VPN since I don't pirate or take part in other illegal activities that would require me to hide my data use.

Again. Are you a criminal yourself? You seem to have a gazillion of worries I don't have.
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It's my job to think as criminals do. I work in the field putting away people for precisely these reasons. Are most reasons legitimate and a known criminal gets put away? Yes, but hey, I can easily find stuff just as incriminating that probably has nothing to do with the case to bring on secondary charges while the party is completely ignorant of what's going on. It's really not hard to find something illegal on anyone's PC, you'd be surprised by what the federal prosecutors can come up with.
 
Delicieuxz said:
A government is corrupt if it behaves in the manner you are advocating in this thread. You're overtly a sociopath, and a person such as yourself in a position of power is a far greater evil and danger than even a child abuser.
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By publicly insulting me you prove that you are actually a criminal that has by default a need to hide from the law.
 
At this point B00nie is just a troll no doubt. I'm sure he's picture perfect...

He made sure to report his $3.75 in interest his checking account earned last year...
He made sure to report his $1,500 in eBay sales on his return.
He has never once pirated a TV Show, Videogame, Movie, or Music album. EVER.
He has never participated in any events involving illicit drugs.
He never drank under the age of 21.

etc.. etc...
 
Cyraxx said:
At this point B00nie is just a troll no doubt. I'm sure he's picture perfect...

He made sure to report his $3.75 in interest his checking account earned last year...
He made sure to report his $1,500 in eBay sales on his return.
He has never once pirated a TV Show, Videogame, Movie, or Music album. EVER.
He has never participated in any events involving illicit drugs.
He never drank under the age of 21.

etc.. etc...
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Most likely, no one can be this ignorant of their governments shortcomings.
 
B00nie said:
I would only study my rights and stick to them if I was afraid of being caught with crimes. As it is, I couldn't care less really.

Very easy to prove, just show your hard drive content and they can verify it was not you browsing the files.

No I don't browse fishy sites and I don't click on links posted by strangers (or since I don't use social media, I don't click shit links, period!). I have no need to run VPN since I don't pirate or take part in other illegal activities that would require me to hide my data use.

Again. Are you a criminal yourself? You seem to have a gazillion of worries I don't have.
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We are just trying to find out why you don't believe innocent people can get put in jail wrongly because they played the legal system incorrectly. It could happen to you, it could happen to me, it just takes being in the wrong place at the wrong time and tripping on a legal wire the wrong way and now you have to appeal from jail. Most crimes are not treated like in CSI tv shows, it is a race to put away someone as cheaply and quickly as possible.

It is your right to protect yourself as it is your right to open yourself up and give them everything they ask for. I hope none of us actually get in that situation to be honest because it is scary how things have started leaning more toward guilty until proven innocent.

I was in a civil case with my landlord couple years ago, lasted almost a year and a half. Long story short, they lost my key when I turned it in and my paper work. They sued me for apartment damages, eviction (because they forgot i was already gone) and a few months rent. I had to prove to them that I gave the key (had the persons name and paper she signed), prove that I was already moved out and paid my move out fee and last rent (had copies of my cashed checks and the letter they responded to about my leaving), and I had to show the photos I took of the apartment of the day I moved out showing that there was no damage that they claimed was in the apartment.

I won the case after they dropped out, but I had to fight because all they were armed with was the manager saying I owed money and they sent to collections.

My lawyer walked me through all the loops but it was crazy how I was in the wrong until I proved otherwise.

Yes this was a civil case but I was on the fence of owing a couple thousand dollars that I really didnt owe and was saved by my own paranoia (i knew before hand that this landlord was lawsuit crazy) and paper trail I made sure to have.
 
NickJames said:
It's my job to think as criminals do. I work in the field putting away people for precisely these reasons. Are most reasons legitimate and a known criminal gets put away? Yes, but hey, I can easily find stuff just as incriminating that probably has nothing to do with the case to bring on secondary charges while the party is completely ignorant of what's going on. It's really not hard to find something illegal on anyone's PC, you'd be surprised by what the federal prosecutors can come up with.
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Lol. So you think that the government is out to seek everyone for every possible imagined crime they committed? Why does the government have a vendetta on you, specifically? Why would they want to falsely incriminate me? You're paranoid.

Unless you've done something they got interested in catching you in the first place, you have nothing to worry about. If then again, you have a crime that you're hiding and they suspect you did it but can't prove it - that's ample motivation to dig anything possible from your data.
 
B00nie, an advertisment on any website could contain a hidden image of anything illegal
Even an ad on a website could contain hidden images of anything illegal

Try to explain yourself out of that one.


Believe me, I never thought the system was so corrupted until they went after me.

Also the legal fees to pay to even defend yourself is quite insane.

There are tons of shows on netflix that shows people getting framed for murder and they spent years fighting and still lost just because of planted evidence.

Hopefully you will never get in trouble with the law in any way or just have someone that hates you. It is quite easy to screw up a person's life it seems like.
 
B00nie said:
Lol. So you think that the government is out to seek everyone for every possible imagined crime they committed? Why does the government have a vendetta on you, specifically? Why would they want to falsely incriminate me? You're paranoid.

Unless you've done something they got interested in catching you in the first place, you have nothing to worry about. If then again, you have a crime that you're hiding and they suspect you did it but can't prove it - that's ample motivation to dig anything possible from your data.
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News flash, I am the guy who incriminates you. The law isn't as black and white as you think. If you're arranged for something minor all the evidence you hand over can be blown up to something much bigger.
 
SirMaster said:
That was my thinking yes, if you are on trial for child porn on your phone, but you know that you have never had child porn on your phone and even a forensic scrub if your phone would show no child porn, then I would give up my passcode to prove that rather than go to jail for 180 days.
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Right, but I did say it's a slim point. You have to keep in mind that an absence of evidence on the phone does not prove innocence. You've already been charged therefor a prosecutor already has a case against you. Just because there is no additional evidence on your phone it doesn't mean you are going to go free. Now usually there are multiple charges, and some are more serious then others. You may escape a more serious conviction but a guy has to be careful. In short, this isn't a kid's game and you are definitely playing with your future so you need to play smart. A guy needs to remember that he is not sitting in the chair for the accused because something just thinks there might be something on your phone. It's never that stupidly simple no matter what these media writers and rights advocates claim. there is always more to it that they are leaving out cause it doesn't fit their agenda or weakens their story.

Take this guy for instance, he's facing abuse charges for hitting his kid and I think those will stick no matter what so there is potentially a jail sentence already involved that he probably won't dodge unless they case isn't strong enough to remove the child from his custody and imprisoning him will hurt the family income and be detrimental to the child in other ways. So if he's an asshole and needs jail time it's go big or go home. Putting pops in a city joint for a couple months and costing him a job, hurting the family income, etc, and not putting the kid somewhere better, that isn't a joyful conclusion in the crystal ball. Dad comes home, beats on the kid more, in the mean time he has no job, trouble finding a new one. The asshole has more excuses to beat his kid for. They will not be making things better.

Then again, maybe this guy isn't such a big asshole and maybe his kid actually needed a whack on the ass, perhaps the scratch on the girl's face was accidental and not intentional abuse. Maybe the search of the phone is a fishing trip by overzealous cops. It's possible, but it's what Judges and Juries are for.
 
B00nie said:
By publicly insulting me you prove that you are actually a criminal that has by default a need to hide from the law.
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That isn't even an attempt at logic. What I said not firstly an insult, but is truthful. But your attempt to dismiss it as an insult is astoundingly hypocritical because you're calling everyone who informs you how ignorant and foolish your understanding is a criminal (without evidence, by association, etc...). Additionally, it is even more hypocritical because you earlier deliberately insulted another by calling them retarded:

B00nie said:
I think you're the mentally retarded one. Why are you obliged to do crime?
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So, by your own assessment, you're a criminal. I guess means that you're just trying to hide it with all your condemnations and accusations towards everyone.


To put things in the low-brow framework you seem to not know anything beyond: You're a scumbag.
 
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Darunion said:
We are just trying to find out why you don't believe innocent people can get put in jail wrongly because they played the legal system incorrectly. It could happen to you, it could happen to me, it just takes being in the wrong place at the wrong time and tripping on a legal wire the wrong way and now you have to appeal from jail. Most crimes are not treated like in CSI tv shows, it is a race to put away someone as cheaply and quickly as possible.
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Sure innocent people can be put to jail. But they will not help their case by not providing proof of their innocense. Not doing so will only raise suspicion.

It is your right to protect yourself as it is your right to open yourself up and give them everything they ask for. I hope none of us actually get in that situation to be honest because it is scary how things have started leaning more toward guilty until proven innocent.
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You have a right not to incriminate yourself. So if you stick to that EXACT right, it means you most likely have something incriminating since you're afraid to open access.

I was in a civil case with my landlord couple years ago, lasted almost a year and a half. Long story short, they lost my key when I turned it in and my paper work. They sued me for apartment damages, eviction (because they forgot i was already gone) and a few months rent. I had to prove to them that I gave the key (had the persons name and paper she signed), prove that I was already moved out and paid my move out fee and last rent (had copies of my cashed checks and the letter they responded to about my leaving), and I had to show the photos I took of the apartment of the day I moved out showing that there was no damage that they claimed was in the apartment.

I won the case after they dropped out, but I had to fight because all they were armed with was the manager saying I owed money and they sent to collections.

My lawyer walked me through all the loops but it was crazy how I was in the wrong until I proved otherwise.

Yes this was a civil case but I was on the fence of owing a couple thousand dollars that I really didnt owe and was saved by my own paranoia (i knew before hand that this landlord was lawsuit crazy) and paper trail I made sure to have.
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And think how it would have ended if you would have 'stuck to your rights' and not shown them any proof of you giving the key, having moved out, paying the fee and the last rent and the copies etc.

It's your right to 'not incriminate yourself' and not provide all this evidence. YOU WOULD BE RIGHT NOW IN JAIL PROBABLY.

Thanks for proving my point.
 
B00nie said:
Sure innocent people can be put to jail. But they will not help their case by not providing proof of their innocense. Not doing so will only raise suspicion.



You have a right not to incriminate yourself. So if you stick to that EXACT right, it means you most likely have something incriminating since you're afraid to open access.



And think how it would have ended if you would have 'stuck to your rights' and not shown them any proof of you giving the key, having moved out, paying the fee and the last rent and the copies etc.

It's your right to 'not incriminate yourself' and not provide all this evidence. YOU WOULD BE RIGHT NOW IN JAIL PROBABLY.

Thanks for proving my point.
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Lol, poor innocence. You better hope you don't sneeze on the wrong cop some day.
 
Darunion said:
We are just trying to find out why you don't believe innocent people can get put in jail wrongly because they played the legal system incorrectly. It could happen to you, it could happen to me, it just takes being in the wrong place at the wrong time and tripping on a legal wire the wrong way and now you have to appeal from jail. Most crimes are not treated like in CSI tv shows, it is a race to put away someone as cheaply and quickly as possible.

It is your right to protect yourself as it is your right to open yourself up and give them everything they ask for. I hope none of us actually get in that situation to be honest because it is scary how things have started leaning more toward guilty until proven innocent.

I was in a civil case with my landlord couple years ago, lasted almost a year and a half. Long story short, they lost my key when I turned it in and my paper work. They sued me for apartment damages, eviction (because they forgot i was already gone) and a few months rent. I had to prove to them that I gave the key (had the persons name and paper she signed), prove that I was already moved out and paid my move out fee and last rent (had copies of my cashed checks and the letter they responded to about my leaving), and I had to show the photos I took of the apartment of the day I moved out showing that there was no damage that they claimed was in the apartment.

I won the case after they dropped out, but I had to fight because all they were armed with was the manager saying I owed money and they sent to collections.

My lawyer walked me through all the loops but it was crazy how I was in the wrong until I proved otherwise.

Yes this was a civil case but I was on the fence of owing a couple thousand dollars that I really didnt owe and was saved by my own paranoia (i knew before hand that this landlord was lawsuit crazy) and paper trail I made sure to have.
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All that sucks, it does and no doubt of it.

But as you said, this was a civil court case and not criminal. You wouldn't have pointed it out if you didn't recognize that there is a big difference between them and that they are very different games to play.
 
B00nie said:
Sure innocent people can be put to jail. But they will not help their case by not providing proof of their innocense. Not doing so will only raise suspicion.



You have a right not to incriminate yourself. So if you stick to that EXACT right, it means you most likely have something incriminating since you're afraid to open access.



And think how it would have ended if you would have 'stuck to your rights' and not shown them any proof of you giving the key, having moved out, paying the fee and the last rent and the copies etc.

It's your right to 'not incriminate yourself' and not provide all this evidence. YOU WOULD BE RIGHT NOW IN JAIL PROBABLY.

Thanks for proving my point.
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My lawyer asked for my information and it was provided to him. I in no way was to provide anything to the other side nor communicate with them at all. They asked me for my records and I forwarded the request to my lawyer and then we collected information together.
 
B00nie said:
Sure innocent people can be put to jail. But they will not help their case by not providing proof of their innocense. Not doing so will only raise suspicion.



You have a right not to incriminate yourself. So if you stick to that EXACT right, it means you most likely have something incriminating since you're afraid to open access.



And think how it would have ended if you would have 'stuck to your rights' and not shown them any proof of you giving the key, having moved out, paying the fee and the last rent and the copies etc.

It's your right to 'not incriminate yourself' and not provide all this evidence. YOU WOULD BE RIGHT NOW IN JAIL PROBABLY.

Thanks for proving my point.
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you are right that you get brownie points for not trying to hard however they will still use it against you. It is quite insane how the law works. My case that is going on just shows how corrupted the law could be.
 
TheBuzzer said:
B00nie, an advertisment on any website could contain a hidden image of anything illegal
Even an ad on a website could contain hidden images of anything illegal

Try to explain yourself out of that one..
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An advertisement could contain malware or viruses which is why I use script and adblock always. How's that for an answer?

Believe me, I never thought the system was so corrupted until they went after me.

Also the legal fees to pay to even defend yourself is quite insane.

There are tons of shows on netflix that shows people getting framed for murder and they spent years fighting and still lost just because of planted evidence.

Hopefully you will never get in trouble with the law in any way or just have someone that hates you. It is quite easy to screw up a person's life it seems like.
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If your country puts people away based on planted evidence (and there are things like alibies) then you perhaps need to be a little paranoid. I have never ever heard of anyone doing stuff like that where I live so I'm more scared about winning the lottery than this scenario.
 
lcpiper said:
All that sucks, it does and no doubt of it.

But as you said, this was a civil court case and not criminal. You wouldn't have pointed it out if you didn't recognize that there is a big difference between them and that they are very different games to play.
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Agreed, very different but similar in that you can completely screw yourself up if you play the game incorrectly especially in thinking you know what the right this is to do. The legal system is complicated and best left to those that are familiar with it.
 
TheBuzzer said:
you are right that you get brownie points for not trying to hard however they will still use it against you. It is quite insane how the law works. My case that is going on just shows how corrupted the law could be.
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I guess the difference between me and you is that I trust the government to treat me fairly and I trust the system. You don't. I would hate to live where you live.
 
B00nie said:
I guess the difference between me and you is that I trust the government to treat me fairly and I trust the system. You don't. I would hate to live where you live.
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Basically any government with a population of more than 100 million citizens.
 
B00nie said:
An advertisement could contain malware or viruses which is why I use script and adblock always. How's that for an answer?



If your country puts people away based on planted evidence (and there are things like alibies) then you perhaps need to be a little paranoid. I have never ever heard of anyone doing stuff like that where I live so I'm more scared about winning the lottery than this scenario.
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using ad block is deemed illegal, you could be sued for making website have lost of profits.It is the same thing as stealing in the government point of view.

You are suppose to pay for viewing a site in ads, without them you are screwing up with their income.
 
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