Radeon RX Vega Discussion Thread

Bahanime said:
Ofc it's not going to change. NV outsells AMD regardless. The 1050Ti vs RX 470 situation is proof that buyers don't care about metrics such as perf/$ when it comes to AMD vs NV. Most will just buy NV.
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If AMD market share is going up and all they have is Polaris then they must be doing better than their complete lineup they had before. When RTG can clearly win the big numbers, like Nvidia, the mindset will be with the winning team or overall winning team. I can see a number of rigs where the 1050ti might be the better choice. For pure performance yes the 470.
 
Snowdog said:
Same Analyst: For the Discrete Desktop GPU market. This one looks like it is still units (It would be worse for dollars), but it paints a different picture:
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Source:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10613...-grabs-market-share-but-nvidia-remains-on-top

IMO it looks like AMD is getting creamed on Video cards.

But there are lots of low end PC's with AMD APUs, that were probably counted in the other graph, that and Macs...
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Notice how AMD's market share tanked about the same time as their top end started to become irrelevant. They are clawing back a bit with Polaris, and hopefully Vega is competitive enough, but there's no doubt that consumers use the top-end cards as gages for who makes the better products overall...
 
Factum said:
That is what I thought...so when you make statments like this, you are just talking out your rectum, with no facts:




Thanks for proving my point.
No let the adults talk without your inorant noise, thank you.
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What exactly did you add to this thread? Oh thats right not a damn thing, dont like what I put up in actual reports then go cry in the corner. I have had deeper conversations with my dog then what you added to this thread. I at least understand Kyles gripe with Jon Peddie but the simple fact is the steam survey means shit it does not cover all GPU products and gives a false impression, thus why people like to throw it around like it's fact.
 
Gideon said:
What exactly did you add to this thread? Oh thats right not a damn thing, dont like what I put up in actual reports then go cry in the corner. I have had deeper conversations with my dog then what you added to this thread. I at least understand Kyles gripe with Jon Peddie but the simple fact is the steam survey means shit it does not cover all GPU products and gives a false impression, thus why people like to throw it around like it's fact.
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That is a lot of words to say:
I got no facts.

If you don't want your ignorance called out...don't post based on ignorance...simple as that.

You can now do two things:
1) Stop posting from ignorance and read up.
2) Post more crap, being "offended" that somesone called out your ignorance.

Only one of the choices are intelligent...have a nice day.
 
Factum said:
That is a lot of words to say:
I got no facts.

If you don't want your ignorance called out...don't post based on ignorance...simple as that.

You can now do two things:
1) Stop posting from ignorance and read up.
2) Post more crap, being "offended" that somesone called out your ignorance.

Only one of the choices are intelligent...have a nice day.
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You have yet to post ANY relevant facts. Fact is Steam DOES NOT cover all sold GPUs only those that have in fact used their service and participated in their survey. Steam can in no way account for GPUs used in mining nor those that do not have their service installed, like players of certain MMOs. Using it as a general representation can suffice but can never be considered accurate or an indicator of actual sales and shipments.
 
JustReason said:
You have yet to post ANY relevant facts. Fact is Steam DOES NOT cover all sold GPUs only those that have in fact used their service and participated in their survey. Steam can in no way account for GPUs used in mining nor those that do not have their service installed, like players of certain MMOs. Using it as a general representation can suffice but can never be considered accurate or an indicator of actual sales and shipments.
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Lol..mining.

Lets be honest, steam represents gamers. You can easily argue about the GPUs not bought by gamers. But then we usually talk dirt cheap trash. And you can spot that in the financials.
 
TaintedSquirrel said:
As of today we know more about Volta than Vega... How is this possible.
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They're e just going to land themselves in a position where people hold off on purchasing it because of Volta hype.

Chow Choo. Can we have an nvidia hype train for once
 
Ieldra said:
They're e just going to land themselves in a position where people hold off on purchasing it because of Volta hype.

Chow Choo. Can we have an nvidia hype train for once
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Nvidia will release a card that is exactly 30% faster than the 1080Ti, price it around $700, 6-8 months later they will release a card 30% faster than that, call it a Titan, price it at $1300, 6-8 months later they will slightly modify the Titan product and release it as the Ti version of the 1080 Ti successor, price it at $750. Rinse, repeat.

Say what you want about AMD, at least they aren't boring woth the poor decisions they make...
 
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KazeoHin said:
Nvidia will release a card that is exactly 30% faster than the 1080Ti, price it around $700, 6-8 months later they will release a card 30% faster than that, call it a Titan, price it at $1300, 6-8 months later they will slightly modify the Titan product and release it as the Ti version of the 1080 Ti successor, price it at $750. Rinse, repeat.

Say what you want about AMD, at least they aren't boring woth the poor decisions they make...
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I think you got your dates mixed up. Unless expect a 24-32 month product cycle. Its not like AMD.
 
KazeoHin said:
Nvidia will release a card that is exactly 30% faster than the 1080Ti, price it around $700, 6-8 months later they will release a card 30% faster than that, call it a Titan, price it at $1300, 6-8 months later they will slightly modify the Titan product and release it as the Ti version of the 1080 Ti successor, price it at $750. Rinse, repeat.

Say what you want about AMD, at least they aren't boring woth the poor decisions they make...
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I guess you could argue that such a scheme is predictable and boring, we're all far more interested in an ephemeral product that has been launching imminently for the past two years
 
Ieldra said:
I guess you could argue that such a scheme is predictable and boring, we're all far more interested in an ephemeral product that has been launching imminently for the past two years
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Well, Nvidia can't really have a hype train... when product enthusiasm translates to sustained sales, its called success.

Nvidia has a success train.
 
KazeoHin said:
Nvidia will release a card that is exactly 30% faster than the 1080Ti, price it around $700, 6-8 months later they will release a card 30% faster than that, call it a Titan, price it at $1300, 6-8 months later they will slightly modify the Titan product and release it as the Ti version of the 1080 Ti successor, price it at $750. Rinse, repeat.

Say what you want about AMD, at least they aren't boring woth the poor decisions they make...
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Ieldra said:
I guess you could argue that such a scheme is predictable and boring, we're all far more interested in an ephemeral product that has been launching imminently for the past two years
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I have no loyalty to either either the Red or Green teams. I've purchased both many times over the last 20 years.

That being said, nVidia really pissed me off with the whole 'Founders Edition' BS with the launch of the 1080 (e.g. listing an MSRP for a card that couldn't be touched unless you were willing to pay hundreds (with an 's') over that MSRP - and even then availability was rarer than hen's teeth).

I'm more of a (very) casual gamer these days and was really looking forward to a $399 1070. Well, launch time came and there were no $399 1070s to be had. Plus you seemingly had to play roulette with various sites that listed cards in/out of stock in order to even have a chance of getting one. In contrast, on launch day I was able to pick up an RX 480 at MSRP on launch day with very little effort.

So I don't know if I have a point other than the rumors of very low stock Vega at launch don't sit too well with me given my 1080/1070 launch day experiences.
 
I don't see how NVidia pisses folks off with their stack. It's not like folks don't know a Ti is coming. We've seen this time and again. If you want the best they have to offer you pay an early adopters tax. If you don't want to pay it wait for the Ti. As far as paying over MSRP, that's lack of competition and supply/demand at work.
 
pfc_m_drake said:
I have no loyalty to either either the Red or Green teams. I've purchased both many times over the last 20 years.

That being said, nVidia really pissed me off with the whole 'Founders Edition' BS with the launch of the 1080 (e.g. listing an MSRP for a card that couldn't be touched unless you were willing to pay hundreds (with an 's') over that MSRP - and even then availability was rarer than hen's teeth).

I'm more of a (very) casual gamer these days and was really looking forward to a $399 1070. Well, launch time came and there were no $399 1070s to be had. Plus you seemingly had to play roulette with various sites that listed cards in/out of stock in order to even have a chance of getting one. In contrast, on launch day I was able to pick up an RX 480 at MSRP on launch day with very little effort.

So I don't know if I have a point other than the rumors of very low stock Vega at launch don't sit too well with me given my 1080/1070 launch day experiences.
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Hey man, if you are willing to sacrifice quality just to get it "now", instead of waiting for that 1070, by all means, do your thing. Doesn't make it a sensible decision, especially for someone that rarely games. I imagine you could have waited, but you probably never intended to. Your post screams anti-nvidia through and through. Use whatever excuse you need to help your 480 suffering, but it shouldn't be the availability.
 
auntjemima said:
Hey man, if you are willing to sacrifice quality just to get it "now", instead of waiting for that 1070, by all means, do your thing. Doesn't make it a sensible decision, especially for someone that rarely games. I imagine you could have waited, but you probably never intended to. Your post screams anti-nvidia through and through. Use whatever excuse you need to help your 480 suffering, but it shouldn't be the availability.
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You realize your argument against his post reeks heavily in yours. He made a genuine point of actual purchasing experiences that he had and equated that to issues that Vega too may show. And he isn't alone with the FE dismay. And if he does in fact game little then a 480 would be far from suffering, had he gamed more then maybe if he were gaming 1440p and up then 480 could be considered suffering, but no I think even that reeks of fanboism.
 
auntjemima said:
Hey man, if you are willing to sacrifice quality just to get it "now", instead of waiting for that 1070, by all means, do your thing. Doesn't make it a sensible decision, especially for someone that rarely games. I imagine you could have waited, but you probably never intended to. Your post screams anti-nvidia through and through. Use whatever excuse you need to help your 480 suffering, but it shouldn't be the availability.
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The timing was basically that I was doing a new build, had waited, but was getting to the point where I needed to pull the trigger. I'm still one of those 1080p 'slouches', so the reality was that RX480 was all I needed. It was available, so I pulled the trigger so that I could (finally) get things going with the build.

Truth be told, the best video card I ever owned (given day-in-age considerations) was a Gainward GeForce4 Ti4600. Second best was an ATI 9800XT.

And if anything, my post is very anti-AMD, because if they pull the same BS with extreme limited availability, well...they certainly won't be getting my love.
 
lolfail9001 said:
Let's just say you had a very lucky rx480 launch experience as well.
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I've heard that, but I remember after buying my card on Newegg, I checked back for the next couple of hours. They went in and out of stock, but you could get one if you wanted one.
And even given the price premium, I did try on several occasions to buy a 1080. It (obviously) never panned out.
 
Maddness said:
How's the testing going ;)
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I think the card is not performing that well (that's a joke of course).
JustReason said:
You realize your argument against his post reeks heavily in yours. He made a genuine point of actual purchasing experiences that he had and equated that to issues that Vega too may show. And he isn't alone with the FE dismay. And if he does in fact game little then a 480 would be far from suffering, had he gamed more then maybe if he were gaming 1440p and up then 480 could be considered suffering, but no I think even that reeks of fanboism.
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There are people on this forum who would eat their shoes if Nvidia told them to.
 
pfc_m_drake Agreed on the FE bullshit. It's why the 1070 I did end up picking up was not an FE and, thanks to Microcenter not jacking up the prices like Amazon did or NewEgg stuffing their eBay store with stock whilst being OoS on the official NewEgg website, I was able to purchase the card under the MSRP of the FE price as well (a strict requirement of mine).

There were plenty of times that I saw 1070 cards hit the 400 USD price point or lower but none of those were the card brands I wanted.

The RX 480 launch also suffered from no third-party non-reference cards being available for two or three months after initial launch. Meanwhile, nVidia announced, launched reference and had third-party non-reference cards on the market before AMD/RTG had a third-party non-reference card available.
 
I guess I am a fan of corporate competition. I am waiting to see what the vega performance/prices are and how they compare to NVidia's cards. I am not opposed to buying NVidia but not before I see how a competing card performs for the money. For example if the Vega I want (using the rumor mill of the 3 SKU's) is the competitor of the 1080ti and is 5% slower yet costs >$150 less than the nivida then I will get the vega. To me it's all about value for the performance. I am not a pro gamer that plays hours and hours and has no life other than gaming so I don't care if the card I buy isn't the absolute best. I don't understand the chest thumping about which card squeezes 4 or more Frames/sec mentality that people have. Can't you be happy with your purchase and use your card for what you bought it for instead of putting down the competitor's lineup?
 
Algrim said:
pfc_m_drake Agreed on the FE bullshit. It's why the 1070 I did end up picking up was not an FE and, thanks to Microcenter not jacking up the prices like Amazon did or NewEgg stuffing their eBay store with stock whilst being OoS on the official NewEgg website, I was able to purchase the card under the MSRP of the FE price as well (a strict requirement of mine).

There were plenty of times that I saw 1070 cards hit the 400 USD price point or lower but none of those were the card brands I wanted.

The RX 480 launch also suffered from no third-party non-reference cards being available for two or three months after initial launch. Meanwhile, nVidia announced, launched reference and had third-party non-reference cards on the market before AMD/RTG had a third-party non-reference card available.
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Took me a while to get my 1080 because they just kept getting FE for so long. But similar experience.
 
Ninjaman67 said:
I guess I am a fan of corporate competition. I am waiting to see what the vega performance/prices are and how they compare to NVidia's cards. I am not opposed to buying NVidia but not before I see how a competing card performs for the money. For example if the Vega I want (using the rumor mill of the 3 SKU's) is the competitor of the 1080ti and is 5% slower yet costs >$150 less than the nivida then I will get the vega. To me it's all about value for the performance. I am not a pro gamer that plays hours and hours and has no life other than gaming so I don't care if the card I buy isn't the absolute best. I don't understand the chest thumping about which card squeezes 4 or more Frames/sec mentality that people have. Can't you be happy with your purchase and use your card for what you bought it for instead of putting down the competitor's lineup?
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I really REALLY want Vega to be competitive, I want it so hard... but unfortunately "wanting" and "expecting" are two different things. ..
 
Algrim said:
pfc_m_drake Agreed on the FE bullshit. It's why the 1070 I did end up picking up was not an FE and, thanks to Microcenter not jacking up the prices like Amazon did or NewEgg stuffing their eBay store with stock whilst being OoS on the official NewEgg website, I was able to purchase the card under the MSRP of the FE price as well (a strict requirement of mine).

There were plenty of times that I saw 1070 cards hit the 400 USD price point or lower but none of those were the card brands I wanted.

The RX 480 launch also suffered from no third-party non-reference cards being available for two or three months after initial launch. Meanwhile, nVidia announced, launched reference and had third-party non-reference cards on the market before AMD/RTG had a third-party non-reference card available.
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Kinda feel like AMD is always a little slower on the 3rd party cards. I think every time every time I have bought AMD cards I've put an aftermarket cooler on reference.
 
bezant said:
heh that's what i did
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lol people fail to realize how good the google search function is. If he typed in the same question there it would have had the first link directly there, lol! Everytime I have a question I ask google, it saves me so much time, haha. Wasn't always like that though.
 
Gatecrasher3000 said:
I did, and didn't find it. Do you really think I logged onto the HardOCP forums, found this post, posted a question, and then waited for an answer before just googleing something?
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like I said its there lol. I was just joking by the way. its okay if you couldn't find it. But its right there. you click second link and click webcast and register. Unless you didn't know what to type in the search box, that's a different story.
 
Mark Papermaster just made a comment about Vega coming in June. So no Vega this month.
 
I aware AMD has this shot figured out with names! Ryzen threadeippers, lol. It's like average joe names! EPYC for Naples and Threadripper for 16 core Ryzen! Legit lol!

Kaduri is fuckin hilarious. He sounds like me in front of people. Totally off topic and just rolling along like he just had a beer!
 
NKD said:
I aware AMD has this shot figured out with names! Ryzen threadeippers, lol. It's like average joe names! EPYC for Naples and Threadripper for 16 core Ryzen! Legit lol!
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LOL, should have just name it R9, would make much more sense.
 
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