Gamers Red Hot with Fury over Intel Core i7-7700 Temperature Spikes

Trouble? You mean seeing a temp number based off a calculation from a sensor that is meant to detect distance to TjMax, that has no change on function, has damaged no chips, and are within spec for the CPU and from the linked forum seem to almost all be the result of auto OCing or users who don't know how to setup a system? Ok....



I think lots of that has to do with how PC gaming used to be, far fewer were into it and building PCs was harder, and OCing required actual knowledge of the system or even hard mods to get an OC. Today HW has really advanced, to the point that it is stupid easy.

However the "idea" of PC gamers is still of the older type.

Fair enough, good points. My idea of them is shaped by daily experience, and it's not so rosy :p
 
I'd venture a guess that your "average" gamer is a console lacky only. People looking for more or those of us that were started on PC's at a very young age eventually stumble onto sites like this and that can vary from entry level into the enthusiast realm (mom bought me a 'puter </hackers quote>) to rigs that are quad sli and have stupid amounts of money sunk into them, and are very customized.

If we're talking about ALL the gamers, averages should include all realms, not just PC.
 
As you can see, Rezerekted, I'm not the only one who knows [H] does not represent even a fraction of the PC gamers out there. [H] forum members are dozens of times more knowledgeable then the average gamer. You are far too optimistic, and that kind of optimism sets yourself up for disappointment when you discover the truth of the matter. Gamers are as stupid as any other large group of sheeple. Most of them are lucky to get their computer booted up, let alone actually know what's under the hood.

Well, I've been PC gaming since 1993 and all the gamers I have come across know a thing or two about computers. Go plat Battlefield4 right now and you will find most know their shit, they are average gamers. Maybe you are confusing casual gamers with average.
 
Well, I've been PC gaming since 1993 and all the gamers I have come across know a thing or two about computers. Go plat Battlefield4 right now and you will find most know their shit, they are average gamers. Maybe you are confusing casual gamers with average.

Oooooor, maybe you're confusing single samples with actual statistics? Sound familiar? I actually WORK in the industry, dude. I deal with 40+ users a day, a dozen of which of high end gaming computers. How many a day do you deal with? You should pay attention when a PROFESSIONAL in the industry tells you their experience.
 
Oooooor, maybe you're confusing single samples with actual statistics? Sound familiar? I actually WORK in the industry, dude. I deal with 40+ users a day, a dozen of which of high end gaming computers. How many a day do you deal with? You should pay attention when a PROFESSIONAL in the industry tells you their experience.

You deal with casuals and not the average gamer. The average gamer does not even need your services. You said you work for a game comapny providing tech support, right? Those needing your support are casuals. The average gamer is very tech savvy and not a neophyte about computers. The average gamer does no play BF4 and such? How about Skyrim?
 
You deal with casuals and not the average gamer. The average gamer does not even need your services. You said you work for a game comapny providing tech support, right? Those needing your support are casuals. The average gamer is very tech savvy and not a neophyte about computers. The average gamer does no play BF4 and such? How about Skyrim?

Yanno, you keep arguing from a zero experience position, your word is moot on this point by now. I totally get that you're not approaching this from any form of professionalism or actual knowledge of the topic at hand. You have proven that you exist on rumor and guesses, not professional knowledge. You have no CLUE who I deal with, and your guesses only prove that point.
 
Rez, I ask you DIRECTLY! Do you have this chip or not? If not, why is it so important to you to prove it's a problem? Considering you're telling people who OWN the chip in question they don't know what they're talking about, yet YOU who doesn't own one does? BULLCRAP! I call total BS on you at this point.
 
Rez, I ask you DIRECTLY! Do you have this chip or not? If not, why is it so important to you to prove it's a problem? Considering you're telling people who OWN the chip in question they don't know what they're talking about, yet YOU who doesn't own one does? BULLCRAP! I call total BS on you at this point.

WTF is your problem? I don't need to own it to know a thing or two. Everyone has opinions. :)
 
WTF is your problem? I don't need to own it to know a thing or two. Everyone has opinions. :)

For anybody to believe you know a thing or two, demonstrated experience on the matter means more then ephemeral references and NO experience with the hardware in question. Again I ask you, what is your motivation for having to prove this is a model wide issue when you don't own the model in question? I am questioning your whole reasoning because it makes no sense to somebody USING the very processor your trying to prove is faulty. My own eyes tell me that you are fulla poo-poo, let alone the lack of issues with this problem I encounter in end-users machines daily. I WOULD encounter this problem if it were wide spread, and I don't. Why? My only assumption can be because you have an interest in making mountains out of molehills.
 
Here's where I will compromise with you, Rez, and this is it. No further.

The whole Kaby Lake series DOES run very hot. It runs unnecessarily hot as Intel could have done better in it's IHS to core contact, we all know this to be true, hence I cannot deny that and wouldn't, it's truth. This hot running doesn't take well to things like auto-overclock. Your assertions that it's wide spread for stock users is unfounded and untrue, however. The problem doesn't exist wide spread in fact at all or it would be WIDELY reported already and be a massive issue for the whole gaming industry as gamers stock machines crashed all over the place from overheating. I WOULD see this in my job. It's NOT there, any more then normal percentages of gaming rigs built badly, which can happen to any chip.

Lastly, there's a reason my first post to this forum was AFTER I built my rig and had no questions about what I wanted in it. That reason is I picked parts I see problems with the least often. I didn't need any help picking parts because I support the very thing I am building this machine to do, play games. Do you REALLY think I'd buy a chip that is overheating and causing me tech support headaches on my job? Assuming my stupidity of that level would be the biggest mistake you've made yet in this conversation.
 
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For anybody to believe you know a thing or two, demonstrated experience on the matter means more then ephemeral references and NO experience with the hardware in question. Again I ask you, what is your motivation for having to prove this is a model wide issue when you don't own the model in question? I am questioning your whole reasoning because it makes no sense to somebody USING the very processor your trying to prove is faulty. My own eyes tell me that you are fulla poo-poo, let alone the lack of issues with this problem I encounter in end-users machines daily. I WOULD encounter this problem if it were wide spread, and I don't. Why? My only assumption can be because you have an interest in making mountains out of molehills.

Most people probably don't know it even happens because they do not monitor for it. I have no motivation and never said it is widespread. The article posted here said it happens at stock speed too and not just OC. Just giving my $0.02, which I am entitled to. I wont ever have this issue because I will never buy that cpu.
 
Yanno, you keep arguing from a zero experience position, your word is moot on this point by now. I totally get that you're not approaching this from any form of professionalism or actual knowledge of the topic at hand. You have proven that you exist on rumor and guesses, not professional knowledge. You have no CLUE who I deal with, and your guesses only prove that point.

Well, why don't you tell me then?
 
Well, why don't you tell me then?

If you are that interested in my job specifics, send me an IM and we can avoid derailment of the thread. However, your assertion of never buying the chip only reinforces my initial suspicion that you were simply here to bash Intel. I'm a big AMD fan from since back in the K6 days, but have been following them and using them since the 486 days. I suspect your reasoning is more out of brand bias then actual intent to help anybody.
 
If you are that interested in my job specifics, send me an IM and we can avoid derailment of the thread. However, your assertion of never buying the chip only reinforces my initial suspicion that you were simply here to bash Intel. I'm a big AMD fan from since back in the K6 days, but have been following them and using them since the 486 days. I suspect your reasoning is more out of brand bias then actual intent to help anybody.

No, all my PCs use Intel currently but AMD Ryzen has me interested and is what I would maybe buy if building a new PC.
 
No, all my PCs use Intel currently but AMD Ryzen has me interested and is what I would maybe buy if building a new PC.

Good! That makes much more sense. Enjoy the Ryzen. However, you don't need to justify your preference by bashing Kaby Lake unnecessarily or in the faces of those actually using them when you, yourself, have not tech supported any or dealt with them. I'm not trying to insult you by saying your experience in this matter is limited, but I am trying to point out that you are in NO position to insist you know the problem when you haven't even touched the chip in question. Just "knowing stuff" isn't enough to override somebody WITH the hardware itself in question, and this is a basic rule of hardware forums everywhere. If you actually HAVE the hardware in question, your word on it means more then somebody who's just reading articles about it. It's that simple.
 
And what you may not get, or even believe, is that I love Ryzen and what it represents for AMD! And what it represents for Intel users as well! Ryzen's success is success for ALL of us PC gamers, because it will force Intel to price more competitively. So believe me when I say, I will REALISTICALLY praise Ryzen's successes and just as realistically note it's failures, because that's my job and I can end up fired, jobless, and homeless if I can't maintain brand neutrality in a logical manner for my customers needs.

In convo with customers, I heap praises upon Geforce, Radeon, Core, Ryzen, and even lame ass Phenom! Instead of trying to rob people of the joy of their machine, work on trying to build it up by realistically addressing problems and not throwing over generalizations about out of brand bias. You help nobody but your own ego when bashing on brands.

And personally? My ego doesn't need that kinda artificial boost, it's already way over inflated as it is :p
 
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4 - I ran Google searches for just the years 1997 and 1998 for the term "hardocp.com".. the 1997 search brought back two results but neither had anything to do with [H].. and the 1998 search gave four results, which only one was significant (unless the link to pics of Asia Carrera can be considered "significant".. and some probably will think so)..

Asia Carrera would definitely be considered significant. I believe Steve was friends with her or at least admired her. He used to talk about how she was in Mensa and of course the other stuff :)

Many posts back then were about her and computing.
 
Good! That makes much more sense. Enjoy the Ryzen. However, you don't need to justify your preference by bashing Kaby Lake unnecessarily or in the faces of those actually using them when you, yourself, have not tech supported any or dealt with them. I'm not trying to insult you by saying your experience in this matter is limited, but I am trying to point out that you are in NO position to insist you know the problem when you haven't even touched the chip in question. Just "knowing stuff" isn't enough to override somebody WITH the hardware itself in question, and this is a basic rule of hardware forums everywhere. If you actually HAVE the hardware in question, your word on it means more then somebody who's just reading articles about it. It's that simple.

Not if the reason he didn't buy the hardware was that he researched about it more than you did, thus he knew before you even did that the product has significant issues. Without truly knowing the whole story you couldn't possibly know.
 
Asia Carrera would definitely be considered significant. I believe Steve was friends with her or at least admired her. He used to talk about how she was in Mensa and of course the other stuff :)

Many posts back then were about her and computing.

Indeed she was, she was also a guest reviewer for Maximum PC. She seems like a total geek in a lot of ways, 156 IQ. Best part I read was this about her:

"As of November 2014, she wore a colander on her head for her Utah driver's license photograph. State law normally prohibits the wearing of hats in driver license photos, but there is an exception for religious headwear, and Carerra's colander was worn in honor of the religion of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. She is one of about a dozen "Pastafarian" Utahns who have worn a colander in their official state ID photos."
 
Not if the reason he didn't buy the hardware was that he researched about it more than you did, thus he knew before you even did that the product has significant issues. Without truly knowing the whole story you couldn't possibly know.
By reading his input up to that moment, I most certainly could know. He made his lack of experience apparent with his choice of sourcing information. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to infer his lack of experience in the matter. You are completely ignoring the context of my comment.
 
Good! That makes much more sense. Enjoy the Ryzen. However, you don't need to justify your preference by bashing Kaby Lake unnecessarily or in the faces of those actually using them when you, yourself, have not tech supported any or dealt with them. I'm not trying to insult you by saying your experience in this matter is limited, but I am trying to point out that you are in NO position to insist you know the problem when you haven't even touched the chip in question. Just "knowing stuff" isn't enough to override somebody WITH the hardware itself in question, and this is a basic rule of hardware forums everywhere. If you actually HAVE the hardware in question, your word on it means more then somebody who's just reading articles about it. It's that simple.

I'll give my opinion anytime I feel like it. I was basing my comments on the article so you need to attack the article and not me.
 
I'll give my opinion anytime I feel like it. I was basing my comments on the article so you need to attack the article and not me.

Then it might help if you frame them as such instead of framing "opinions" as fact that you don't know.

Edit: Yanno, what? Nevermind the advice, you clearly have it under control. Carry on :)
 
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Maybe, but OCing is common knowledge now and no arcane art.

THIS much is true, it's so easy now that if you buy the right parts, they overclock themselves without even any intervention on your part, granted. However, even in the cases where the motherboard automatically applies Turbo clocks of 4.5Ghz to all 4 cores instead of just one as it's supposed to by Intel stock, I've not seen any cases of 7700K overheating that wasn't due to poorly installed cooling or other noob mistakes. Even in this world of BEYOND simple overclocking, noob mistakes are more common among the average gamer then the average user of this forum.
 
There are computer PC enthusiasts and people enjoy gaming they can be the same demographic and sometimes often are and interchangeable, but one doesn't necessarily represent the other.
 
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