Gamers Red Hot with Fury over Intel Core i7-7700 Temperature Spikes

What I am curious about is if the issue is with the processor or the motherboard when overclocking? Is it really a chip issue considering Francois Piednoel made the statement? How many test samples did he run through?

Lots of questions yet very few answers.
 
I know the staff of [H] have had their hands on these chips since launch, I'd really like to hear Kyle's opinion on this matter. I'm guessing there's been more then a few 7700K's to play with in his lab, and he's seen a good sampling of them and how they behave. I completely concur with Zarathustra's point earlier, but wonder if Kyle has seen any evidence of these spikes?
 
I will place bets on what Kyle will say... (don't ban me, Kyle!!! :p )

He will say that Kaby Lake runs hot as hell, delid if yer gonna OC it, good luck with the silicon lottery cause this time it's a little more heated. If you're running stock and don't see spikes, don't sweat it.

That is my predictive guess, paraphrased, of what Kyle will say :p
 
I don't see your point at all except in theory at best. Again, there is nothing to investigate. The CPUs work fine at stock, and not even the K moniker means it WILL overclock, just that they won't stop you from trying in the easiest ways possible. Expecting more than that is unfair and unreasonable. And enough users at both stock and overclocked have chimed to report no such spikes so it's NOT a chip wide issue. Intel won't waste time and nobody but AMD fans who wouldn't have bought a 7700K to begin with will it make a difference for.

What you forget is that MOST K buyers DON'T overclock! They buy the K model for the higher turbo frequency, that's it. MANY K machines out there never even have the user looking at monitoring software! Most, in fact. Mountains out of molehills, man, mountains out of molehills.

This issue applies to stock speeds too and not just OC. CPU is spiking to 90c for no valid reason. = FAIL!
 
This issue applies to stock speeds too and not just OC. CPU is spiking to 90c for no valid reason. = FAIL!

7700K stock doesn't spike to 90C for no reason. The problems are with people's configurations, otherwise everyone would have the problem. After a BIOS update my 7700K never goes above 60C when gaming or 70C running Prime95 w/AVX enabled. And that's with low noise voltage limiters on my CPU fans.

I think people with the spikes should monitor their max CPU power usage. With a BIOS issue Mike was going over 130 watts, now it's barely over 45 watts in normal use and <100 watts Prime 95.
 
What I am curious about is if the issue is with the processor or the motherboard when overclocking? Is it really a chip issue considering Francois Piednoel made the statement? How many test samples did he run through?

Lots of questions yet very few answers.

My delid 7700k even on default speed/voltage had huge heat spikes. I went into bios and manual setup voltage. I now run 13c lower with less spikes. It still runs hotter at default speed then my GPU in single custom loop with 2 420mm radiator. My idle CPU 32c GPU 29c / Load CPU 50c / GPU 45c. Before voltage change CPU ran 63c under load.
 
This issue applies to stock speeds too and not just OC. CPU is spiking to 90c for no valid reason. = FAIL!

And I am typing from a 7700K as we discuss this, at stock, and it NEVER exceeds 75C, and only hits that under Prime95 conditions. Day to day maximum normal load never sees much more then 60C at most. No spikes. No fail here to see, move along...
 
And I am typing from a 7700K as we discuss this, at stock, and it NEVER exceeds 75C, and only hits that under Prime95 conditions. Day to day maximum normal load never sees much more then 60C at most. No spikes. No fail here to see, move along...
One person is not indicative of the whole. I have no doubt these spikes are real. Do they warrant pitchforks? No. But it isn't necessarily unusual to see spikes during light loads, just these seem extreme. Also consider that most here know what they are doing, but the ownership majority probably doesn't and are far likely to have this issue even if they don't know it.
 
One person is not indicative of the whole. I have no doubt these spikes are real. Do they warrant pitchforks? No. But it isn't necessarily unusual to see spikes during light loads, just these seem extreme. Also consider that most here know what they are doing, but the ownership majority probably doesn't and are far likely to have this issue even if they don't know it.

I used my example in reference to rezerekted's implication that this is wide spread and even stock users are affected. While a VERY few may be, they are a small enough minority to warrant a fairly easy assumption of within the percentage of hardware problem rates, 3% or less typically. This may be hitting the full 3%, maybe even 4% of users of this chip, but that indicates a probable problem other then the chip itself most likely.
 
Intel feeling the heat from Team Red

Poor Intel...poor poor Intel

That's not even a maybe . . . forget the 7700k Amd couldn't even start to outsell the people running 2600k chips lets alone all he generations of intel's cpu's running right now.
There are many enthusiast running 7700k without a issue so I can guarantee you Intel will not be losing any sleep tonight Z z Z z z z
 
One person is not indicative of the whole. I have no doubt these spikes are real. Do they warrant pitchforks? No. But it isn't necessarily unusual to see spikes during light loads, just these seem extreme. Also consider that most here know what they are doing, but the ownership majority probably doesn't and are far likely to have this issue even if they don't know it.

No spikes here either. Maybe because I didn't use any auto-over clock settings, and instead set the voltages manually on my Asus board.

My computer has been on most the day, surfing the web, VPNing into the office, playing 1080p videos, downloading and copying files, etc.
Max CPU temp during all this time (motherboard sensor) is 63c
One core did peaked at 66c, others only 62c or 63c. Still a far way from a 90c spike.
Most the time the CPU temps sit between 28c and 34c. This is air cooled, in a quiet case with low speed fans.
 
I am curious if there is a common tool? Software package? Thermal Solution?

Anyone with the spikes up for posting all specifics?
 
No spikes here either. Maybe because I didn't use any auto-over clock settings, and instead set the voltages manually on my Asus board.

My computer has been on most the day, surfing the web, VPNing into the office, playing 1080p videos, downloading and copying files, etc.
Max CPU temp during all this time (motherboard sensor) is 63c
One core did peaked at 66c, others only 62c or 63c. Still a far way from a 90c spike.
Most the time the CPU temps sit between 28c and 34c. This is air cooled, in a quiet case with low speed fans.

What IS the vcore you manually set? Is it based on testing or did you use Intel spec? I only wanna know cause it might help me stretch my own clocks a bit.
 
I personally dogged the whole issue by going with a 6850K and it runs beautifully at 5.0GHZ, but I know people who believe they got screwed on choosing the 7700K and are going the RMA route until they get a working one path.

Is it under LN2 or what?
 
Intel's statement says they don't want you to overclock your CPU that is designed for overclocking. If Intel can provide an explanation of the benefit for having an unlocked multiplier for non-OCing purposes I'd love to hear it. They market it, it must be for a reason.

Charge more to l33t gamerz
 
So Intel pulled an 'overclockers dream' meets 'you're holding it wrong'.
Kek.
 
Boy, you are an asshole, aren't you?

Do they charge more? Do they? You were denying it a few posts ago. Now you are deflecting and attacking the poster. I have seen what others have said about you but since I don't follow every post I have been giving you the benefit of doubt. I guess they are right.

It was you making the claim that they charged more for overclocking yet you couldn't prove it when you figured out the stock clocks wasn't the same. And now you are angry because you are wrong.
 
One person is not indicative of the whole. I have no doubt these spikes are real. Do they warrant pitchforks? No. But it isn't necessarily unusual to see spikes during light loads, just these seem extreme. Also consider that most here know what they are doing, but the ownership majority probably doesn't and are far likely to have this issue even if they don't know it.

How many samples did you see hitting 90C randomly as the original article states? I saw 0.
 
Where?



And wasn't it you saying this?
And leave it to you take it out of context and totally miss the point as well. One member says he has no issue so there is no issue, hence my point that one person is not indicative of the whole. You state there is no issue in spite of the fact that one person for sure here has documented his experience with said issue. And actually there is another poster as well but again it only takes one with the issue to warrant investigation but it alone does not mean there is a catastrophic issue and here I do not believe there is.
 
And leave it to you take it out of context and totally miss the point as well. One member says he has no issue so there is no issue, hence my point that one person is not indicative of the whole. You state there is no issue in spite of the fact that one person for sure here has documented his experience with said issue. And actually there is another poster as well but again it only takes one with the issue to warrant investigation but it alone does not mean there is a catastrophic issue and here I do not believe there is.

Either is a single person with the issue for that matter. Specially when its not documented.

Why dont you list these well documented cases then? That's all I ask.
 
I based that upon his join date of 1997... Maybe that was random. I can't remember when I started reading the [H] exactly. It was a good bit before I joined the forum in 02. Linkage from Voodoo Extreme led me here for the first time. Billy Wilson was a straight up trip.... Funny as hell!
 
I fiddled with my 7700 and Asus Z270G last night. I was seeing, under prime95 runs, 90-92C with a Hyper 212 as cooler, XMP settings only.

It was running the vcore at around 1.35 something, i knocked it down to 1.10 and I get up to 70 max and stable at the vcore with XMP (up to 4.5 Ghz) enabled. Not that 70C is legit awesome, but it's far from danger, and that was with prime, gaming isn't going to push it that hard.

I really just think XMP is overvolting for no real reason. I'm Prime95 stable at 4.5 and those previous temps.
 
And I am typing from a 7700K as we discuss this, at stock, and it NEVER exceeds 75C, and only hits that under Prime95 conditions. Day to day maximum normal load never sees much more then 60C at most. No spikes. No fail here to see, move along...

You are just one sample. But the fact that you have no issue shows there is an issue for others when Intel claims it is normal. Maybe it is due to auto voltage but auto voltage is how speed step works, raises/lowers clocks and voltages as needed.
 
It was you making the claim that they charged more for overclocking yet you couldn't prove it when you figured out the stock clocks wasn't the same. And now you are angry because you are wrong.
The Nazi practice was to repeat a lie until everyone starts believing it. The commies copied it. I can see now that there are followers of that practice on these forums as well. 1. I proved that they charge more. 2. I proved that Intel markets the cpus to overclockers.

Case closed. How much exactly are they paying you?
 
Stop making Kyle older than he really is..

this is what I found from whois.net..

Domain Name: HARDOCP.COM
Creation Date: 24-jan-1999

Domain Name: HARDFORUM.COM
Creation Date: 30-apr-2000

That would mean, as of today, the HardOCP.com domain has been around 18 years, 3 months, 14 days and Hardforum.com domain 17 years, 8 days.


And archive.org's first saved dates of the sites were:

HardOCP.com - April 28, 1999
Hardforum.com - November 9, 2000

This doesn't seem quite right.

I don't know when I first started reading the House, but I want to say it was before 1999.

I associate my earliest memories of the H with other things going on in my life which I can verify happened in '97-'98 some time.

I could be wrong though.

My forum join date is only in October 2000, but firstly I remember lurking for a LONG time before signing up for a forum account, and secondly I remember there being a forum failure in the early days requiring everyone to sign back up again, though I'm not 100% sure about this.

These numbers just don't make sense to me.
 
The Nazi practice was to repeat a lie until everyone starts believing it. The commies copied it. I can see now that there are followers of that practice on these forums as well. 1. I proved that they charge more. 2. I proved that Intel markets the cpus to overclockers.

Case closed. How much exactly are they paying you?

K models cost more, but they typically also have higher stock clocks (if only barely) than their non-K counterparts.

The fact that Intel sells K models is not a sanctioning of overclocking. It's not of a "we won't stop you, and will look the other way, but don't come asking for support" kind of thing.
 
K models cost more, but they typically also have higher stock clocks (if only barely) than their non-K counterparts.

The fact that Intel sells K models is not a sanctioning of overclocking. It's not of a "we won't stop you, and will look the other way, but don't come asking for support" kind of thing.
On their product site they link to overclocking articles. That is an endorsement of the practice and a marketing tool. In other words, they directly cater to overclockers.
 
On their product site they link to overclocking articles. That is an endorsement of the practice and a marketing tool. In other words, they directly cater to overclockers.

So does AMD, even make guides. Yet if you overclock you lose all warranty and they are reliable for no damages you may end up with.

You simply cant as a company tell people to overclock without making sure you in all legal terms have made sure any problems wont come flying back as legal actions. And that includes telling people not to overclock despite the product is capable of it.

Example:
https://www.amd.com/system/files/20...AMD-Ryzen-Master-Overclocking-Users-Guide.pdf

The Guidance in no way modifies, alters or supersedes AMD’s officially published specifications for any AMD product (the “Specifications”). 

Operation of an AMD product outside of the Specifications or outside of factory settings, including but not limited to the conducting of overclocking (including use of the Guidance), may result in damage to an AMD product and/or lead to other problems, including but not limited to, damage to the AMD product-based computer system components (e.g. the motherboard and components thereon); system instabilities (e.g. data loss and corrupted images); reduction in system performance; shortened product, system component and/or system life; and in extreme cases, total unrecoverable system failure.

AMD does not provide support or service for issues or damages related to use of an AMD product outside of the Specifications or outside of factory settings and Recipient assumes any and all liability and risk associated with such usage, including by providing motherboards or other components that facilitate or allow usage outside of the Specifications or factory settings.

THE GUIDANCE IS PROVIDED TO YOU ON AN "AS IS" BASIS WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EITHER EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, NONINFRINGEMENT, OR THOSE ARISING FROM CUSTOM OR TRADE. AMD DOES NOT WARRANT, GUARANTEE, OR MAKE ANY REPRESENTATIONS AS TO THE CORRECTNESS, ACCURACY OR RELIABILITY OF THE GUIDANCE (INCLUDING THE PERFORMANCE OF THE AMD PRODUCT) AND MAY MODIFY, AMEND, DELETE OR RETRACT THE GUIDANCE AT ANY TIME. TO THE FULLEST EXTENT ALLOWED BY LAW, IN NO EVENT WILL AMD BE LIABLE TO YOU OR ANY OTHER PARTY FOR ANY DIRECT OR INDIRECT DAMAGES, LOST PROFITS, LOST SAVINGS OR OTHER INCIDENTIAL OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES WHICH MAY ARISE OUT OF OR RELATE TO THE GUIDANCE.

WARNING: AMD processors, including chipsets, CPUs, APUs and GPUs (collectively and individually “AMD processor”), are intended to be operated only within their associated specifications and factory settings. Operating your AMD processor outside of official AMD specifications or outside of factory settings, including but not limited to the conducting of overclocking (including use of this overclocking software, even if such software has been directly or indirectly provided by AMD or an entity otherwise affiliated in any way with AMD), may damage your processor, affect the operation of your processor or the security features therein and/or lead to other problems, including but not limited to damage to your system components (including your motherboard and components thereon (e.g., memory)), system instabilities (e.g., data loss and corrupted images), reduction in system performance, shortened processor, system component and/or system life, and in extreme cases, total system failure. It is recommended that you save any important data before using the tool. AMD does not provide support or service for issues or damages related to use of an AMD processor outside of official AMD specifications or outside of factory settings. You may also not receive support or service from your board or system manufacturer. Please make sure you have saved all important data before using this overclocking software.

DAMAGES CAUSED BY USE OF YOUR AMD PROCESSOR OUTSIDE OF OFFICIAL AMD SPECIFICATIONS OR OUTSIDE OF FACTORY SETTINGS ARE NOT COVERED UNDER ANY AMD PRODUCT WARRANTY AND MAY NOT BE COVERED BY YOUR BOARD OR SYSTEM MANUFACTURER’S WARRANTY

So in short, AMD tells you not to overclock. While they just gave you a guide. Because anything else would be moronic on an epic scale.
 
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Ok, on Amazon the i7 7700 (non K variant) sells for $299. The i7 7700k sells for $337. That's more.
https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias=aps&field-keywords=i7+7700&rh=i:aps,k:i7+7700

And if you don't like retail prices, here are the original recommended customer prices direct from Intel ARK:
7700: $303.00 - $312.00
7700k: $339.00 - $350.00

Did you also miss the obvious, despite being able to lookup the parts?

7700 3.6Ghz base, 4.2Ghz turbo
7700K 4.2Ghz base, 4.5Ghz turbo

Is the only difference overclocking on these 2 chips? No its not is it.
 
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So does AMD, even make guides. Yet if you overclock you lose all warranty and they are reliable for no damages you may end up with.

You simply cant as a company tell people to overclock without making sure you in all legal terms have made sure any problems wont come flying back as legal actions. And that includes telling people not to overclock despite the product is capable of it.

Example:
https://www.amd.com/system/files/20...AMD-Ryzen-Master-Overclocking-Users-Guide.pdf

The Guidance in no way modifies, alters or supersedes AMD’s officially published specifications for any AMD product (the “Specifications”). 

Operation of an AMD product outside of the Specifications or outside of factory settings, including but not limited to the conducting of overclocking (including use of the Guidance), may result in damage to an AMD product and/or lead to other problems, including but not limited to, damage to the AMD product-based computer system components (e.g. the motherboard and components thereon); system instabilities (e.g. data loss and corrupted images); reduction in system performance; shortened product, system component and/or system life; and in extreme cases, total unrecoverable system failure.

AMD does not provide support or service for issues or damages related to use of an AMD product outside of the Specifications or outside of factory settings and Recipient assumes any and all liability and risk associated with such usage, including by providing motherboards or other components that facilitate or allow usage outside of the Specifications or factory settings.

THE GUIDANCE IS PROVIDED TO YOU ON AN "AS IS" BASIS WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EITHER EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, NONINFRINGEMENT, OR THOSE ARISING FROM CUSTOM OR TRADE. AMD DOES NOT WARRANT, GUARANTEE, OR MAKE ANY REPRESENTATIONS AS TO THE CORRECTNESS, ACCURACY OR RELIABILITY OF THE GUIDANCE (INCLUDING THE PERFORMANCE OF THE AMD PRODUCT) AND MAY MODIFY, AMEND, DELETE OR RETRACT THE GUIDANCE AT ANY TIME. TO THE FULLEST EXTENT ALLOWED BY LAW, IN NO EVENT WILL AMD BE LIABLE TO YOU OR ANY OTHER PARTY FOR ANY DIRECT OR INDIRECT DAMAGES, LOST PROFITS, LOST SAVINGS OR OTHER INCIDENTIAL OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES WHICH MAY ARISE OUT OF OR RELATE TO THE GUIDANCE.

WARNING: AMD processors, including chipsets, CPUs, APUs and GPUs (collectively and individually “AMD processor”), are intended to be operated only within their associated specifications and factory settings. Operating your AMD processor outside of official AMD specifications or outside of factory settings, including but not limited to the conducting of overclocking (including use of this overclocking software, even if such software has been directly or indirectly provided by AMD or an entity otherwise affiliated in any way with AMD), may damage your processor, affect the operation of your processor or the security features therein and/or lead to other problems, including but not limited to damage to your system components (including your motherboard and components thereon (e.g., memory)), system instabilities (e.g., data loss and corrupted images), reduction in system performance, shortened processor, system component and/or system life, and in extreme cases, total system failure. It is recommended that you save any important data before using the tool. AMD does not provide support or service for issues or damages related to use of an AMD processor outside of official AMD specifications or outside of factory settings. You may also not receive support or service from your board or system manufacturer. Please make sure you have saved all important data before using this overclocking software.

DAMAGES CAUSED BY USE OF YOUR AMD PROCESSOR OUTSIDE OF OFFICIAL AMD SPECIFICATIONS OR OUTSIDE OF FACTORY SETTINGS ARE NOT COVERED UNDER ANY AMD PRODUCT WARRANTY AND MAY NOT BE COVERED BY YOUR BOARD OR SYSTEM MANUFACTURER’S WARRANTY

So in short, AMD tells you not to overclock. While they just gave you a guide. Because anything else would be moronic on an epic scale.
I don't know how it is in Kazakhstan, but here in the US courts can look through the written warranty and take into account the actual practices of the company. It is not an Intel vs AMD issue.
 
I don't know how it is in Kazakhstan, but here in the US courts can look through the written warranty and take into account the actual practices of the company. It is not an Intel vs AMD issue.

You are correct. Its not an Intel vs AMD issue. Its how the entire industry works despite all the attempts to make it look otherwise. So you need to accept the reality and move on.

The text supplied was an example of a standard practice to cover them against US law, international law and class action lawsuits. This is why both Intel, AMD and others wont tell you that you can OC directly.

The same applies in the EU where I reside.
 
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You are correct. Its not an Intel vs AMD issue. Its how the entire industry works despite all the attempts to make it look otherwise. So you need to accept the reality and move on.

The text supplied was an example of a standard practice to cover them against US law, international law and class action lawsuits. This is why both Intel, AMD and others wont tell you that you can OC directly.

The same applies in the EU where I reside.
Good job on moving out of the Soviet Union. I hope you moved to Western Europe, as the "EU" might not be around for much longer.

As far as industry practice, if you look at the prices for Sandy Bridge cpus, like the 2600k vs 2600 or the 2500k vs 2500, you will see they were clocked the same but priced differently. So yes, practice matters, but not in the way you are interpreting it.
 
Good job on moving out of the Soviet Union. I hope you moved to Western Europe, as the "EU" might not be around for much longer.

As far as industry practice, if you look at the prices for Sandy Bridge cpus, like the 2600k vs 2600 or the 2500k vs 2500, you will see they were clocked the same but priced differently. So yes, practice matters, but not in the way you are interpreting it.

I hate to break it to you, but I am Danish and never been anything else. But I guess that's where the "argumentation" is now. So good luck with that.

You claimed people paid more for a 7700K over a 7700 just for overclocking, they didn't. Then you acted like Intel was the only one saying they dont warrant overclocking. Wrong again.
 
I hate to break it to you, but I am Danish and never been anything else. But I guess that's where the "argumentation" is now. So good luck with that.

You claimed people paid more for a 7700K over a 7700 just for overclocking, they didn't. Then you acted like Intel was the only one saying they dont warrant overclocking. Wrong again.

The more you post, the more I decide I like you :p

Well said.
 
Let me add to what Shintai just said in that yes, I may be only a single sample, but I am FAR more representative of the average user buying i7 7700K then MOST of you are. MOST 7700K users don't even know what CPU vcore even MEANS let alone how to change it! Delid your CPU? WTH? Why would you break your hardware? (these are rhetorical questions, I know the answers to them, however they serve as examples of MOST 7700K owners thought patterns far better then what most of you think).

[H] members quickly forget how the vast majority of owners of these processors have never even heard the word "overclocking" in their lives and are loving their shiny new gaming rig just fine, no overheating or crashing except in the normal percentages found due to user error or damaged hardware. This whole "Intel is sweating" horsecrap is just that, horsecrap. Intel gave such a uncaring response because there's nothing here to care about, this is a non-issue. Until I hear Kyle say the words "7700K has a serious overheating and temperature spiking issue with the entire line (or batch)" then this is all nothing but a bunch of molehills turned into a mountain range.
 
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