Steam Hardware Survey updated with GPUs

mnewxcv said:
I'd be interested to see dx9 and 8 cards still in use. Maybe not a card by card analysis but an overall percentage of users using dx9 or 8 cards. I know I played the hell out of half life 2 on my ti4600, some people might still.
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DX8 and below 2.89%
DX9 and SM2a 0.05%
DX9 and SM2B/3.0 0.41%.

So 3.35% of steam users are still using pre DX10 cards.

The DX8 group is surprisingly high, considering the DX9 minimum for a lot of games.
 
Shintai said:
DX8 and below 2.89%
DX9 and SM2a 0.05%
DX9 and SM2B/3.0 0.41%.

So 3.35% of steam users are still using pre DX10 cards.

The DX8 group is surprisingly high, considering the DX9 minimum for a lot of games.
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could just be people that have steam installed on a older system used for playing rom's and side scrollers.

on another note maybe i should go plug in my old laptop sitting on the shelf just to increase that dx8 percentage for this month :p
 
Shintai said:
DX8 and below 2.89%
DX9 and SM2a 0.05%
DX9 and SM2B/3.0 0.41%.

So 3.35% of steam users are still using pre DX10 cards.

The DX8 group is surprisingly high, considering the DX9 minimum for a lot of games.
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considering the games of the dx8 era really founded valve as a game developer (cs, hl1, team fortress), those games were all designed around dx8 hardware. I agree though it is surprising to see nearly 3% of users using.....15-20 yr old hardware!
 
Steam April

DX12 systems. This requires Windows 10 with a DX12 GPU.
GTX 1080TI unlisted.
GTX 1080 1.17% (+0.05%)
GTX 1070 2.31% (+0.12%)
GTX 1060 2.73% (+0.25%)
GTX 1050TI 0.78% (+0.15%)
GTX 1050 0.45%(+0.11%)
GTX 1030 unlisted.
RX 580 unlisted.
RX 570 unlisted.
RX 560 unlisted.
RX 550 unlisted.
RX 480 0.74% (+0.04%)
RX 470 0.24% (+0.02%)
RX 460 0.23% (+0.03%)

DX12 system share:
Base: 86.4% Nvidia / 13.6% AMD
New cards: 90.6% Nvidia / 9.4% AMD

Installed base.
AMD loses 0.2% in graphics.
Nvidia gains 0.3% in graphics.
Intel loses 0.2% in graphics.
Intel stays at 79.7% in CPU.
AMD stays at 20.3% in CPU.

No change in VR headsets.

DX12 GPUs alone without OS requirement.
GTX 1080TI unlisted.
GTX 1080 1.66% (+0.05%)
GTX 1070 3.39% (+0.13%)
GTX 1060 5.02% (+0.57%)
GTX 1050TI 1.74% (+0.41%)
GTX 1050 1.08%(+0.30%)
GTX 1030 unlisted.
RX 580 unlisted.
RX 570 unlisted.
RX 560 unlisted.
RX 550 unlisted.
RX 480 1.10% (+0.05%)
RX 470 0.40% (+0.02%)
RX 460 0.45% (+0.06%)

DX12 GPU share:
Base: 86.7% Nvidia / 13.3% AMD
New cards: 91.8% Nvidia / 8.2% AMD

Sales from both AMD and Nvidia have declined quite a bit.
 
Shintai said:
Steam April

DX12 systems. This requires Windows 10 with a DX12 GPU.
GTX 1080TI unlisted.
GTX 1080 1.17% (+0.05%)
GTX 1070 2.31% (+0.12%)
GTX 1060 2.73% (+0.25%)
GTX 1050TI 0.78% (+0.15%)
GTX 1050 0.45%(+0.11%)
GTX 1030 unlisted.
RX 580 unlisted.
RX 570 unlisted.
RX 560 unlisted.
RX 550 unlisted.
RX 480 0.74% (+0.04%)
RX 470 0.24% (+0.02%)
RX 460 0.23% (+0.03%)

DX12 system share:
Base: 86.4% Nvidia / 13.6% AMD
New cards: 90.6% Nvidia / 9.4% AMD

Installed base.
AMD loses 0.2% in graphics.
Nvidia gains 0.3% in graphics.
Intel loses 0.2% in graphics.
Intel stays at 79.7% in CPU.
AMD stays at 20.3% in CPU.

No change in VR headsets.

DX12 GPUs alone without OS requirement.
GTX 1080TI unlisted.
GTX 1080 1.66% (+0.05%)
GTX 1070 3.39% (+0.13%)
GTX 1060 5.02% (+0.57%)
GTX 1050TI 1.74% (+0.41%)
GTX 1050 1.08%(+0.30%)
GTX 1030 unlisted.
RX 580 unlisted.
RX 570 unlisted.
RX 560 unlisted.
RX 550 unlisted.
RX 480 1.10% (+0.05%)
RX 470 0.40% (+0.02%)
RX 460 0.45% (+0.06%)

DX12 GPU share:
Base: 86.7% Nvidia / 13.3% AMD
New cards: 91.8% Nvidia / 8.2% AMD

Sales from both AMD and Nvidia have declined quite a bit.
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Where is the rest of them?
 
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NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970
6.50%
5.91%
5.72%
5.89%
5.60%
-0.29%

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NVIDIA GeForce GTX 750 Ti
4.64%
4.70%
4.70%
5.13%
5.34%
+0.21%

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NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960
4.97%
4.87%
4.90%
5.13%
5.21%
+0.08%

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NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060
2.79%
3.37%
4.08%
4.45%
5.02%
+0.57%

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NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070
2.52%
2.69%
3.00%
3.26%
3.39%
+0.13%

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NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960M
2.60%
2.75%
2.87%
2.80%
2.87%
+0.07%

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NVIDIA GeForce GT 730
2.09%
2.27%
2.52%
2.25%
2.18%
-0.07%

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NVIDIA GeForce GT 720M
2.42%
2.40%
2.24%
2.19%
2.10%
-0.09%

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NVIDIA GeForce GTX 760
2.20%
2.03%
1.93%
1.96%
1.88%
-0.08%

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NVIDIA GeForce GTX 950
1.56%
1.62%
1.64%
1.78%
1.84%
+0.06%

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NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti
0.33%
0.64%
1.04%
1.33%
1.74%
+0.41%

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NVIDIA GeForce GTX 750
1.67%
1.63%
1.64%
1.70%
1.69%
-0.01%

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NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080
1.32%
1.35%
1.41%
1.61%
1.66%
+0.05%

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NVIDIA GeForce GTX 650
1.82%
1.72%
1.69%
1.70%
1.66%
-0.04%

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NVIDIA GeForce GTX 950M
1.36%
1.44%
1.48%
1.48%
1.52%
+0.04%

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NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660
1.72%
1.59%
1.51%
1.49%
1.46%
-0.03%

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NVIDIA GeForce GT 630
1.63%
1.63%
1.67%
1.45%
1.38%
-0.07%

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AMD Radeon HD 7700 Series
1.45%
1.42%
1.41%
1.34%
1.38%
+0.04%

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Intel HD Graphics 5500
1.33%
1.38%
1.25%
1.33%
1.26%
-0.07%

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AMD Radeon HD 7900 Series
1.56%
1.43%
1.33%
1.32%
1.23%
-0.09%

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NVIDIA GeForce 940M
1.13%
1.19%
1.17%
1.20%
1.21%
+0.01%

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Intel HD Graphics 4600
1.35%
1.31%
1.22%
1.21%
1.17%
-0.04%

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AMD Radeon R7 Graphics
1.02%
1.20%
1.47%
1.09%
1.15%
+0.06%

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NVIDIA GeForce 840M
1.28%
1.25%
1.18%
1.14%
1.13%
-0.01%

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AMD Radeon HD 8800 Series
1.38%
1.28%
1.20%
1.20%
1.10%
-0.10%

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AMD Radeon RX 480
0.66%
0.77%
0.86%
1.05%
1.10%
+0.05%

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NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050
-
0.30%
0.52%
0.78%
1.08%
+0.30%

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AMD Radeon R5 Graphics
1.02%
1.11%
1.08%
1.03%
1.06%
+0.03%

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NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980
1.23%
1.11%
1.07%
1.10%
1.04%
-0.06%

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NVIDIA GeForce GTX 770
1.27%
1.16%
1.08%
1.10%
1.01%
-0.09%

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Intel HD Graphics 520
0.89%
0.97%
0.91%
0.99%
1.01%
+0.02%

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NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 Ti
1.19%
1.08%
1.03%
1.07%
0.99%
-0.08%
 
I'm still impressed with what a home run Nvidia hit with the 970 (minus the whole 3.5gb thing that most people probably don't know or care about). Wouldn't be shocking to see it remain the top card on the survey for another year or more, either. It's going to take a hell of a price/performance card to dethrone it any time in the near future since it's still plays just about everything at at least high settings on 1080p.
 
rgMekanic said:
Dunno how many years now and I've still never been asked to do the survey by Steam, they should just hit everyone when they log in
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Steam hasn't asked me in years. It hasn't asked my gamer friends in years. The only time it asked me was when I built an entirely new PC and made a completely new Steam account for a relative in 2015. As far as I know it hasn't asked him since and he's erased and reinstalled Windows 10 quite a few times because of viruses from those song websites. That crap where you have to choose to disable your security and install a "plugin" aka virus to hear a music track that you could have heard for free on Spotify or Pandora.
 
Steam is semi ok for gamers, but not definitive. However, plenty of retail numbers by professional organizations show AMD is sucking hind tit in the dGPU market. There's no argument that can refute that so AMD fanbois shouldn't even try. I don't know why you guys try to act as though reality isn't real.
 
cageymaru said:
Steam hasn't asked me in years. It hasn't asked my gamer friends in years. The only time it asked me was when I built an entirely new PC and made a completely new Steam account for a relative in 2015. As far as I know it hasn't asked him since and he's erased and reinstalled Windows 10 quite a few times because of viruses from those song websites. That crap where you have to choose to disable your security and install a "plugin" aka virus to hear a music track that you could have heard for free on Spotify or Pandora.
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Same here, I've re-installed windows probably 5 times in the last 6 months, and built a new PC, same steam account tho.
 
DooKey said:
Steam is semi ok for gamers, but not definitive. However, plenty of retail numbers by professional organizations show AMD is sucking hind tit in the dGPU market. There's no argument that can refute that so AMD fanbois shouldn't even try. I don't know why you guys try to act as though reality isn't real.
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Not saying that AMD isn't behind Nvidia in sales; this is so obvious that Ray Charles can see it. I'm saying that the Steam Survey is only as relevant as the number of people that get polled which is absolutely never going by my experience. I'll see a cow jump over the moon before I get polled again. :)
 
The poll is so huge that its consistent. The numbers month after month shows this as well. So if you dont like the numbers, too bad, it doesn't make them wrong. The numbers are also in line with the financial results we see.

The poll group is taken from over 150 million users randomly. Even if they poll a million people, the chance you get asked is once per 12½ years.
 
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Shintai said:
The poll is so huge that its consistent. The numbers month after month shows this as well. So if you dont like the numbers, too bad, it doesn't make them wrong. The numbers are also in line with the financial results we see.

The poll group is taken from over 150 million users randomly. Even if they poll a million people, the chance you get asked is once per 12½ years.
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A hardware poll that only asks hardcore gamers, that own a minimum of thousand games on the Steam platform, every 12 1/2 years is pretty much irrelevant to me. Especially when the people that you skip upgrade every product cycle. In 12 1/2 years how many undocumented upgrade cycles would my friends and I have gone through?

Asking Nvidia and AMD on their financial day what their shipment numbers are is much more important than this trash. Trying to link stock price movement to GPU sales is irrelevant also as I've seen Nvidia stock drop for no reason at all other than the price of pork bellies fluctuating. That's why Michael Dell took Dell private again.
 
cageymaru said:
A hardware poll that only asks hardcore gamers, that own a minimum of thousand games on the Steam platform, every 12 1/2 years is pretty much irrelevant to me. Especially when the people that you skip upgrade every product cycle. In 12 1/2 years how many undocumented upgrade cycles would my friends and I have gone through?

Asking Nvidia and AMD on their financial day what their shipment numbers are is much more important than this trash. Trying to link stock price movement to GPU sales is irrelevant also as I've seen Nvidia stock drop for no reason at all other than the price of pork bellies fluctuating. That's why Michael Dell took Dell private again.
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Not only that, but the counter obviously too won't show hardware that may have been resold as used parts, etc. When a video card is sold as used from one user to the next, the GPU manufacturer doesn't get an extra sale. The Steam poll is pretty fucking useless.
 
cageymaru said:
A hardware poll that only asks hardcore gamers, that own a minimum of thousand games on the Steam platform, every 12 1/2 years is pretty much irrelevant to me. Especially when the people that you skip upgrade every product cycle. In 12 1/2 years how many undocumented upgrade cycles would my friends and I have gone through?

Asking Nvidia and AMD on their financial day what their shipment numbers are is much more important than this trash. Trying to link stock price movement to GPU sales is irrelevant also as I've seen Nvidia stock drop for no reason at all other than the price of pork bellies fluctuating. That's why Michael Dell took Dell private again.
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Hardcore gamers? I dont think you have any idea who the steam player base is.

And you obviously didn't understand the concept of polling data and the accuracy. I get it, you dont like the result, specially not after the Q1 result where the hype balloon got blown to pieces. But it doesn't make it wrong. And the data month after month, year after year backs this up.

If steam polls a million random people every month. That means the chance YOU and just YOU get selected is once in every 12½ years.
 
cageymaru said:
A hardware poll that only asks hardcore gamers, that own a minimum of thousand games on the Steam platform, every 12 1/2 years is pretty much irrelevant to me. Especially when the people that you skip upgrade every product cycle. In 12 1/2 years how many undocumented upgrade cycles would my friends and I have gone through?
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Do you have a source on the minimum number of games that Steam owners have? Seriously, don't pooh-pooh the Steam Hardware Survey, these are the best, most representative results that you can get if you're looking for data on the relative popularity of a given graphics card and even a particular vendor.

Asking Nvidia and AMD on their financial day what their shipment numbers are is much more important than this trash. Trying to link stock price movement to GPU sales is irrelevant also as I've seen Nvidia stock drop for no reason at all other than the price of pork bellies fluctuating. That's why Michael Dell took Dell private again.
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Huh? Neither AMD nor NVIDIA gives GPU unit shipments, and AMD doesn't even break out GPU sales by themselves anymore (they're lumped in with PC CPUs/APUs in the Computing and Graphics segment). But with a little math and some reasonable assumptions on how much CPU revenue AMD gets, one can estimate AMD's GPU revenue -- and, unsurprisingly, those numbers (e.g. AMD and NVIDIA's relative gaming GPU revenue share) will mesh very well with what you're likely to see on Steam.
 
EuphoricRage470 said:
Do you have a source on the minimum number of games that Steam owners have? Seriously, don't pooh-pooh the Steam Hardware Survey, these are the best, most representative results that you can get if you're looking for data on the relative popularity of a given graphics card and even a particular vendor.

Huh? Neither AMD nor NVIDIA gives GPU unit shipments, and AMD doesn't even break out GPU sales by themselves anymore (they're lumped in with PC CPUs/APUs in the Computing and Graphics segment). But with a little math and some reasonable assumptions on how much CPU revenue AMD gets, one can estimate AMD's GPU revenue -- and, unsurprisingly, those numbers (e.g. AMD and NVIDIA's relative gaming GPU revenue share) will mesh very well with what you're likely to see on Steam.
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I'm saying that MY friends each own thousands of games, upgrade their computers every time that a new technology comes out, and never get polled. And you can see the amount of GPU shipments from each company in reports on the web. Just Google for Nvidia GPU shipments or AMD. That's a much more accurate measurement of GPU sales than a poll that is conducted on a minimum amount of society. The numbers look large, but the PC gaming platform is much bigger than Steam could ever dream of being. Then take into account that they don't even poll but a small percentage of Steam users; and it's pointless numbers to me. If Valve sent a poll to everyone yearly, reported how many responded, and the percentages of hardware, it would be a much more scientific metric for judging PC gaming. Even then most people who game don't use Steam.

 
cageymaru said:
I'm saying that MY friends each own thousands of games, upgrade their computers every time that a new technology comes out, and never get polled. And you can see the amount of GPU shipments from each company in reports on the web. Just Google for Nvidia GPU shipments or AMD. That's a much more accurate measurement of GPU sales than a poll that is conducted on a minimum amount of society. The numbers look large, but the PC gaming platform is much bigger than Steam could ever dream of being. Then take into account that they don't even poll but a small percentage of Steam users; and it's pointless numbers to me. If Valve sent a poll to everyone yearly, reported how many responded, and the percentages of hardware, it would be a much more scientific metric for judging PC gaming. Even then most people who game don't use Steam.
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How do you think any polling works?

A small random percentage is all that's needed. And they poll a new batch every month after month, year after year. And funny enough the numbers keeps matching up. That's all pure coincidence tho, right? :D

What's next on the excuse list, steam users are Nvidia and Intel biased? :LOL:
 
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How do you think any polling works?

A small random percentage is all that's needed. And they poll a new batch every month after month, year after year. And funny enough the numbers keeps matching up. That's all pure coincidence tho, right? :D

What's next on the excuse list, steam users are Nvidia and Intel biased? :LOL:
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You are making assumptions at a large rate. First of all I haven't said jack about making an excuse for AMD, Nvidia, Intel, IBM, Microsoft, etc. YOU ARE ASSUMING THAT I AM. You and only you have these thoughts in your head.

Now on to why I think the poll is stupid. It doesn't poll the entire Steam populace. Let's say we were doing a census poll and we only go to 10% of the families each year and ask them how many people are in their family. We randomly choose "10%" of what we think is our population each year. How many people actually live in the houses and apartments in our neighborhood?

Can you give an exact number after 100 years of polling? If so please explain how this works. Sounds like quackery and B.S. to me. Just send out a darn poll to everyone once a year and let people sift through the numbers. The Steam Survey is nothing more than Valve marketing to make sure that their name stays on the tongues of the tech industry.

And before you say that I hate Valve, I don't. I think they are terrific! Just this poll crap needs to change because some actually think that asking a few people what they own means they can see into the machines of everyone. That makes no sense at all to me.
 
Again, I advice you to lookup on how polling and statistics works. Then you see how wrong you are.
 
cageymaru said:
You are making assumptions at a large rate. First of all I haven't said jack about making an excuse for AMD, Nvidia, Intel, IBM, Microsoft, etc. YOU ARE ASSUMING THAT I AM. You and only you have these thoughts in your head.

Now on to why I think the poll is stupid. It doesn't poll the entire Steam populace. Let's say we were doing a census poll and we only go to 10% of the families each year and ask them how many people are in their family. We randomly choose "10%" of what we think is our population each year. How many people actually live in the houses and apartments in our neighborhood?

Can you give an exact number after 100 years of polling? If so please explain how this works. Sounds like quackery and B.S. to me. Just send out a darn poll to everyone once a year and let people sift through the numbers. The Steam Survey is nothing more than Valve marketing to make sure that their name stays on the tongues of the tech industry.

And before you say that I hate Valve, I don't. I think they are terrific! Just this poll crap needs to change because some actually think that asking a few people what they own means they can see into the machines of everyone. That makes no sense at all to me.
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The Census has to be accurate. Polls are an estimate. They are used for different purposes. Polls were wrong about Trump, and that is OK, sampling error, etc. But the Census has to be accurate, by law!
 
bezant said:
The Census has to be accurate. Polls are an estimate. They are used for different purposes. Polls were wrong about Trump, and that is OK, sampling error, etc. But the Census has to be accurate, by law!
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In Canada it's $500 and/or 3 months in prison for ignoring it.
 
Shintai said:
Again, I advice you to lookup on how polling and statistics works. Then you see how wrong you are.
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It is still not relevant to me when I am an avid user of the service, and never get polled. I have an account that goes back to the launch date of "The Orange Box". I was using their services long before then to play the original Half Life. In all that time I can't remember getting polled but once; and I may have initiated it myself. All of my friends that I have made, gotten rid of, and forgotten haven't got a poll. So what good is the poll if nobody that I know of gets polled? It's a joke and irrelevant to me.
 
there is always a margin of error with these types of polls, but with millions of users we are talking about a minimal number, can't use it as a definitive answer but can be used as an overarching trend.
 
I was polled after installing my 1070 (I think it was three or four months ago). My Steam games list is under 50 by a large margin. I've been polled only once before and that was several years ago. I think that was after I installed my 4890.
 
I've been asked 3 times at least.
This year, a few years ago and in the distant past.
 
cageymaru said:
It is still not relevant to me when I am an avid user of the service, and never get polled. I have an account that goes back to the launch date of "The Orange Box". I was using their services long before then to play the original Half Life. In all that time I can't remember getting polled but once; and I may have initiated it myself. All of my friends that I have made, gotten rid of, and forgotten haven't got a poll. So what good is the poll if nobody that I know of gets polled? It's a joke and irrelevant to me.
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The plural of Anecdote is not Data. The fact you and your pals weren't polled is utterly irrelevant when looking at statistics. You are taking a very individual centric view of sampling, when you really cannot.

Sampling works, and insisting it doesn't because it didn't seem to include your circle of friends is (no offense intended) a little out there.
 
PhaseNoise said:
The plural of Anecdote is not Data. The fact you and your pals weren't polled is utterly irrelevant when looking at statistics. You are taking a very individual centric view of sampling, when you really cannot.

Sampling works, and insisting it doesn't because it didn't seem to include your circle of friends is (no offense intended) a little out there.
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I don't buy into that train of thought. I believe things when you show me with concrete numbers and relate them to what I own or what my perception of the truth is. When you can relate to me in that way I am as flexible as a water hose. But to tell me what everyone is buying based on a poll that is only sent to a select few, then I call B.S..

Call me when Valve has enough time to send a request to everyone. This poll is nothing more than an opinion based on small samples of the PC gaming community. As I said before, MOST people who PC game don't even know what Steam is or have zero desire to install it.
 
cageymaru said:
. As I said before, MOST people who PC game don't even know what Steam is or have zero desire to install it.
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sorry but how is that even remotely possible?.. and what are they supposedly using for games?. most games aren't even being provided anymore with physical disk. if not using Steam what are using? Origin? uPlay? GoG/Galaxy? if they are gamer and don't know about steam how can they even know about another digital gaming distributor?. 10 years ago MAYBE you could be right, in this age even casual gamers who play "free" games mostly or eSPORTs know about Steam due DOTA even if they don't play DOTA.
 
cageymaru said:
I don't buy into that train of thought. I believe things when you show me with concrete numbers and relate them to what I own or what my perception of the truth is. When you can relate to me in that way I am as flexible as a water hose. But to tell me what everyone is buying based on a poll that is only sent to a select few, then I call B.S..

Call me when Valve has enough time to send a request to everyone. This poll is nothing more than an opinion based on small samples of the PC gaming community. As I said before, MOST people who PC game don't even know what Steam is or have zero desire to install it.
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*facepalm*

You don't think that statistical surveys are done by surveying EVERYONE, do you??
 
Just because you didn't get polled doesn't make it inaccurate.

Since everyone gets polled at random, there's a small chance you will not get polled for a decade or two.
 
EuphoricRage470 said:
*facepalm*

You don't think that statistical surveys are done by surveying EVERYONE, do you??
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Well if they don't, there's no way for it to be accurate! And because there's no one else like me and my friends the whole data point is fundamentally fucked!!! /s

I've gotten a poll probably half a dozen times at least in the last 10 years. At least 2 or 3 times in the last year or 2, most recently about 2 months ago. I hadn't had steam open on my htpc for awhile and I just use the same account for both comps. So it switches between nvidia/amd every time for me depending on which system I'm using at the time.

A lot of you really need to take a refresher statistics course lolol.
 
Araxie said:
sorry but how is that even remotely possible?.. and what are they supposedly using for games?. most games aren't even being provided anymore with physical disk. if not using Steam what are using? Origin? uPlay? GoG/Galaxy? if they are gamer and don't know about steam how can they even know about another digital gaming distributor?. 10 years ago MAYBE you could be right, in this age even casual gamers who play "free" games mostly or eSPORTs know about Steam due DOTA even if they don't play DOTA.
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Most gamers in the world do not use Steam and have never heard of it. When you hear numbers like PC gaming sales has increased by 30% over the past 5 years, that includes all those casual secretaries, moms, Facebook friends and family, kids stealing their parent's credit cards, etc that we on Hardocp ignore as trivial.

For example my nephew's kids have never used Steam in their lives. He was reimbursed $1,300 from the Google Play Store alone when the settlement was announced about kids spending money on apps without permission from their parents. His kids bought apps from the Win 10 Store in droves. If there was a shortcut for Minecraft they bought it for example. My nephew doesn't care as long as they are quiet and happy. He told me his job was to go to work and take care of his wife and little women (daughters).

He has never installed Steam on their PC. They have no idea what a Battlefield One is. They know Mario though. They spent so much of his money on that new Pokemon game I felt sorry for him.

My sisters spend real money on Farmville, Slots, and whatever. They have no idea what a video card. As far as they are concerned a PC consists of a screen and "the computer". I've seen one sister blow half her check on Facebook crap in one sitting. My brother is a truck driver and all he has installed on his laptop is a GPS app, his load destination software and Slots.

All of those people are PC gamers and get lumped into the broad definition of what a PC gamer is. So when you read a Jon Peddie Research article about how PC gaming is growing, next time think about those people in context of the article.
And before you think that casual gaming isn't real gaming; just look under the casual gaming section of Steam. Gabe would LOVE to get the Facebook crowd on Steam and buying gems from the Steam Store.
 
That was a classic mistake of polling method. The poll was conducted by telephone but not everyone who was able to vote had a telephone.

EDIT: Polls are not perfect; the way questions are asked can bias a poll; the questions asked can bias a poll. Polls with large sample selections can be pretty damn accurate. Not polling you and your friends are not valid reasons to discount polling, though.
 
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