Apple Working on “Completely Rethought” Mac Pro and Pro Display

aokman said:
The magic is that it works...unlike Windows.

I tried coming back to Windows 10 briefly and holy shit what a pile of crap... since when did ads become acceptable in a OS? Oh and it bricked itself after an update and Microsoft demanded I buy another copy because aparently putting in a new mainboard = new PC
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Other than millenium and vista i havent had issues with windows. Though i did stick with xp to the end, and have 7 now. Windows is all about picking the right version and skipping the bloated crap.

Also the mother board thing is pretty standard, at least you can do (swap parts) that with a pc.

Works is a broad term, i never found macs worked well with real professional users. My experience was mirrored by my film partner, and much of my comp sci class.
 
I get the thermal constraints- maybe.

But concerns about price at the time showed that for equivalent components, you'd spend just as much at Dell or HP. It was overpriced if you compared it to consumer-grade components that it was never sold with, but certainly should have been.
 
aokman said:
Oh and it bricked itself after an update and Microsoft demanded I buy another copy because aparently putting in a new mainboard = new PC
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And that new main board and a copy of the OS was still cheaper than buying a replacement main board for a mac.


While I would agree the putting ads in the OS is flat out wrong, I've been using Windows 10 for the past couple months on my home system and it's been a solid OS.

I'm in the process of rolling out new systems and upgrading some older system at the office with Windows 10, and the feedback has been positive.
Even on the same old hardware, Windows 10 just feels more responsive.
 
nutzo said:
And that new main board and a copy of the OS was still cheaper than buying a replacement main board for a mac.


While I would agree the putting ads in the OS is flat out wrong, I've been using Windows 10 for the past couple months on my home system and it's been a solid OS.

I'm in the process of rolling out new systems and upgrading some older system at the office with Windows 10, and the feedback has been positive.
Even on the same old hardware, Windows 10 just feels more responsive.
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The mac would be under warranty... just like the mainboard was. Problem is I didnt get a like for like replacement.
 
As long as there are idiots out there willing to pay $7000 and up for a $2500 computer, Apple will be glad to make the wallets of the simple-minded lighter and lighter.
 
John P. Myers said:
As long as there are idiots out there willing to pay $7000 and up for a $2500 computer, Apple will be glad to make the wallets of the simple-minded lighter and lighter.
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There is literally no mac pro that is $7000 so your bold faced lie is easily disproven.
 
At launch, it was easy to kiss $10k with a Mac Pro (unless if you are somehow tax exempt, you are also going to exceed $10k with a top configuration - one that didn't pile on accessories, and only touched internal components).

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7603/mac-pro-review-late-2013

Nowadays, the base model specs have been upgraded to what used to be "midrange" for "free."


It should be noted, the prices at launch were inline with competitive offerings with similar HW. I only remember that because I priced one out against a Dell workstation and a HP workstation when it launched. If you are the kind of person to sneer at Nvidia Titan pricing, then you haven't seen squat, yet. Workstation pricing is pretty wild.
 
John P. Myers said:
As long as there are idiots out there willing to pay $7000 and up for a $2500 computer, Apple will be glad to make the wallets of the simple-minded lighter and lighter.
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Please stop comparing DIY computers to workstation class components such as ECC RAM, XEON etc... they have a place in the market, just not for you.
 
Good troll Megalith, but it won't work on me!

I think the design is absolute rubbish. See what I did there? ;)

I owned a Mac Mini for about a year to play with X Code, swift, etc. and didn't think it was as special as the fanboys think. I even had a problem with the WiFi refusing to connect after an OS update and had to do all sorts of silly things (go into places and delete files, etc.) to get it to work again. It honestly felt like early 2000s Linux WiFi driver problems, but maybe I suck at it.

Also X Code sucks. It would crash and do strange things. X Code felt like Visual Studio 2005.

I stopped using Mac Mini because my normal Windows/Linux desktop (which cost a couple hundred more than the mac mini) is on a whole different playing field in terms of performance. I don't think the price to performance ratio is worth the use of reskinned BSD OS. Maybe if I spent twice what my Windows/Linux desktop cost on a mac, I would have a better perception.

Not trying to troll here - exactly what I think. Not going to use mac os unless forced by work to make iOS apps.
 
Certainly, the word "courage" is overused when it comes to Apple. But I would think that it took more "courage" to admit to a major error in design for the Mac Pro than it did to remove the 3.5mm headphone jack from the iPhone. :-O

Seriously, A lot of Mac Pro's used to be used in graphic design shops, etc, etc where people are more artistic types, so the aesthetics of the hardware *does* matter. But definitely the Mac Pro has proven that those creative types that create to make a living only tolerate "form over function" up to a point when it comes to their computer hardware that they depend on.
 
MikeRotch said:
If Steve Jobs was still alive, he would have never admitted that Apple screwed up and instead insisted that the world is stupid for not embracing such game changing design.
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vinciblegod said:
There is literally no mac pro that is $7000 so your bold faced lie is easily disproven.
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First of all, thanks for shouting, "Hey i'm a butthurt Apple fanboi" to the community. Second, you obviously don't know how to configure a computer and buy things "as is" off the shelf. Nice to meet you.
 
aokman said:
Please stop comparing DIY computers to workstation class components such as ECC RAM, XEON etc... they have a place in the market, just not for you.
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You would've made a point if you actually knew what you were talking about. I hope to see you in the BOINC Pentathlon.
 
I actually really liked the cheese grater Mac Pro's, they're still fairly sought after items demanding a premium price tag on the second hand market with anything above Core 2 spec hardware.

What I find amusing is that the 2012 Mac Mini is still regarded as better bang for your buck than the current Mac Mini.
 
I've said it before and I'll say it again, the mac pro trash can was a neat engineering exercise, proof of concept design, that no one really needed. If they had made it from the start or produced a pro/consumer device for $1500, they would have made a mint. That they didn't means it either wasn't feasible or viable financially, they were stupid or it would be too much competition for their silly iMac all in ones. To build the trash can around a workstation machine was just dumb executive hipsterism. At least they're admitting it has long term problems for them design and update wise.

I mean, a workstation that even for Apple is not easily update-able or repairable is just dumb. With one fan... shudder.
 
wizzi01 said:
Ok, wtf is a BOINC pentathlon?
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Hehe, well the Pentathlon is an annual worldwide 14-day number crunching event hosted by the main German team (yes, we have number crunching teams. It's actually really competitive). HardOCP has it's own team as well, though i'm the captain of team SETI.USA. Anyway, it puts your team's computing power and ability to strategize up against everyone else. It's stressful and really nerdy, but fun.
 
Lets not forget the WORST thing they did.......they hired Americans to build it.....The 1990's called, they want their blue collar workers back! Apple is so out of touch with reality!

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I felt the biggest issue with the Mac Pro was the cost of the external Thunderbolt devices. Only just now are external PCI-E enclosures down into the couple hundred bucks range. And Thunderbolt harddrives are still way over priced. Not to mention the $1000 thunderbolt displays.

The lack of internal storage and room didn't have to be a problem, but cost made it prohibitive to replicate the kind of set up you could do on a Mac Pro tower.
 
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