Vega performance compared to the Geforce GTX 1080 Ti and the Titan Xp looks really nice!

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Straight from the mouth of AMD's Don Woligrosky.

PandaNation: Why are FreeSync monitors so much cheaper than their G-Sync counterparts? I know you won't be able to say much, but how does Vega compare to the Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 Ti and the Nvidia Titan Xp? Big fan of AMD, thinking of doing a Mini-ITX Ryzen 5 build. Keep up the good work!

DON WOLIGROSKI: FreeSync is cheaper because it's an open standard. In many cases a panel manufacturer can make a FreeSync panel by changing their monitor's firmware and having it meet the spec. For G-Sync, Nvidia charges a licensing fee. Because of this differentiation alone, I think the inevitable future is FreeSync.

Vega performance compared to the Geforce GTX 1080 Ti and the Titan Xp looks really nice.
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Source: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-ama,5018-11.html
 
"Looks really nice"...could mean anything from "they trade blows at 4k" to "it's 75% of the performance of the 1080Ti, but only 50% of the price!".

Also, G-Sync actually requires a HARDWARE module, not just licensing from Nvidia. I'm not saying one tech is really better than another, but there's more than just a license.
 
Bandalo said:
"Looks really nice"...could mean anything from "they trade blows at 4k" to "it's 75% of the performance of the 1080Ti, but only 50% of the price!".

Also, G-Sync actually requires a HARDWARE module, not just licensing from Nvidia. I'm not saying one tech is really better than another, but there's more than just a license.
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Which makes it even more expensive and prohibitive to implement. Proves his point even better.
 
It should be expected in certain selected games of course Vega is going to look very nice comparable to 1080ti.

I feel for AMD as this type of news damages expectations, but then maybe AMD representative should had said 'wait and see'.
Cheers
 
NKD said:
This is how hype gets created someone asked him a question and he gave a vague answer in direct response without giving in to any details. I really don't think this deserved a frickin thread.
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Agreed. But I was bored! :angelic:
 
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polonyc2 said:
of course an AMD rep is going to say that...what else is he going to say?
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It is the sign of a real tech oriented website posting comments that say absolutely nothing ;) .
They might as well quote someone from the barber shop down the road :) .
 
since are are talking about this I found this in of of the reddit comments. Bahahha, lets set unreal expectations and get disappointed hard once again. lol

https://imgur.com/gallery/4xV1P

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SighTurtle said:
Better than a Titan Xp? HA.
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Well... while the previous reddit link is hillarious and obviously fake, it is not completely outside of the realm of possibility that Vega could perform well enough to keep up with the 1080ti/Titan XP. Going purely by TFLOPS, the AMD card would be at the same level. Their front end is what held back performance, and as of right now, there are 0 people on this forum (who can talk about it) who know exactly what AMD to the arch, and if it helped out what was keeping performance down. Supposedly, Vega is a new arch and not a GCN rehash, so what we know about how GCN performs may not hold true. Vulkan Doom may not be the best case scenario for an AMD card, but we simply don't know at this point. Anyone who claims otherwise, without card/test results in hand, is stating something that is not a fact, simply an opinion.

Tired of the utterly ridiculous mudslinging. Bashing AMD does no-one any good, if anything, EVERYONE should be hoping for them to actually make a competitive card, not throwing rocks about how bad performance will be. *cough* Ryzen maxes out at 3hz.
 
Briguyatx said:
Well... while the previous reddit link is hillarious and obviously fake, it is not completely outside of the realm of possibility that Vega could perform well enough to keep up with the 1080ti/Titan XP. Going purely by TFLOPS, the AMD card would be at the same level. Their front end is what held back performance, and as of right now, there are 0 people on this forum (who can talk about it) who know exactly what AMD to the arch, and if it helped out what was keeping performance down. Supposedly, Vega is a new arch and not a GCN rehash, so what we know about how GCN performs may not hold true. Vulkan Doom may not be the best case scenario for an AMD card, but we simply don't know at this point. Anyone who claims otherwise, without card/test results in hand, is stating something that is not a fact, simply an opinion.

Tired of the utterly ridiculous mudslinging. Bashing AMD does no-one any good, if anything, EVERYONE should be hoping for them to actually make a competitive card, not throwing rocks about how bad performance will be. *cough* Ryzen maxes out at 3hz.
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Hey, I'm hoping AMD will make a decent competing high-end card, but I'm not gonna pretend AMD is coming from a strong position. I would attempt to find the posts, but as far as I can remember, Vega is GCN (but upgraded). If you have AMD statements to differ, I would love to see them. I also vaguely remember arguments where a AMD TFLOP does not equal a Nvidia TFLOP. AMD is coming from a period of extremely limited R&D, cost-cutting, executive changes. That they managed to make Ryzen what it is is great.

Hey, maybe RTG will push beyond Pascal. But I don't think its possible with the hand they had.

Plus, some people think that the cost of the product will make it noncompetitive anyway by using HBM2.
 
If Vega beats Titan Xp, that would be a dream (and I'd also lose my $100 bet but in a good way).
 
How the hell is Titan Xp TWICE the performance of a 1080? It'd be lucky if it is anywhere NEAR 50%, let alone DOUBLING it.
 
cybereality said:
More interesting than the performance, look at the NDA date on the bottom, only 2 weeks away. Can AMD be pulling a super surprise attack?
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I taking it all with a very tiny grain of salt! lol. Its 99.9% fake.
 
SighTurtle said:
Hey, I'm hoping AMD will make a decent competing high-end card, but I'm not gonna pretend AMD is coming from a strong position. I would attempt to find the posts, but as far as I can remember, Vega is GCN (but upgraded). If you have AMD statements to differ, I would love to see them. I also vaguely remember arguments where a AMD TFLOP does not equal a Nvidia TFLOP. AMD is coming from a period of extremely limited R&D, cost-cutting, executive changes. That they managed to make Ryzen what it is is great.

Hey, maybe RTG will push beyond Pascal. But I don't think its possible with the hand they had.

Plus, some people think that the cost of the product will make it noncompetitive anyway by using HBM2.
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Historically, looking at the Fury X vs Titan XM, if Vega is 12 Tflops it'll be about 29% slower than a Titan XP. That actually is what I would expect from AMD too.
 
Dayaks said:
Historically, looking at the Fury X vs Titan XM, if Vega is 12 Tflops it'll be about 29% slower than a Titan XP. That actually is what I would expect from AMD too.
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Historically. But that is because of architectural bottlenecks. I highly doubt AMD didn't fix any of it in 3 years they have been working on this shit. Heck if anything I expect them to make up atleast 15-20% of that with fatter shaders and higher clocks. Last thing you should expect is Vega carries on the same architectural deficiencies as fury. There is a reason you didn't see bigger polaris, meaning more than 2304 shaders. AMD knew they needed to make some major changes to CUs and front end. There were some improvements in polaris but they seem to know it wouldn't have done them any good to have more shaders with polaris. I think its sort of being ignorant to think that they have made absolutely no effort to reduce some bottleneck.
 
SighTurtle said:
Hey, I'm hoping AMD will make a decent competing high-end card, but I'm not gonna pretend AMD is coming from a strong position. I would attempt to find the posts, but as far as I can remember, Vega is GCN (but upgraded). If you have AMD statements to differ, I would love to see them. I also vaguely remember arguments where a AMD TFLOP does not equal a Nvidia TFLOP. AMD is coming from a period of extremely limited R&D, cost-cutting, executive changes. That they managed to make Ryzen what it is is great.

Hey, maybe RTG will push beyond Pascal. But I don't think its possible with the hand they had.

Plus, some people think that the cost of the product will make it noncompetitive anyway by using HBM2.
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http://www.amd.com/en-us/press-releases/Pages/vega-amds-new-2017jan05.aspx

So apparently it "is" gcn 5.0, but the things that actually drive performance the most have all been changed.. I'm willing to at least wait for benchmarks before judging. That's what I did when I bought my 980ti instead of a FuryX :)

Quite frankly, I'm shocked that Nvidia actually released the 1080ti at the price they did, without the founders edition tax they levied on the 1080. Then again, maybe that pricing and the Volta "coming soon" leaks show that Nvidia knows more about their competition than we do.
 
Well that kinda explains the rapid rush lately from Nvidia releasing 1080Ti at the much lower price than anticipated, the rushing for Volta to get released, yet another Titan X (seems more reactionary vice planned). Maybe Nvidia's inside information is telling them their asses are about to get kicked. We still don't know anything is probably more the truth.

Nice looking card, liking the water cooling:


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http://www.pcworld.com/article/3192...gas-ability-to-handle-8k-graphics-at-nab.html
 
Briguyatx said:
http://www.amd.com/en-us/press-releases/Pages/vega-amds-new-2017jan05.aspx

So apparently it "is" gcn 5.0, but the things that actually drive performance the most have all been changed.. I'm willing to at least wait for benchmarks before judging. That's what I did when I bought my 980ti instead of a FuryX :)

Quite frankly, I'm shocked that Nvidia actually released the 1080ti at the price they did, without the founders edition tax they levied on the 1080. Then again, maybe that pricing and the Volta "coming soon" leaks show that Nvidia knows more about their competition than we do.
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I have seen that before. But Alot of people here will claim there is nothing changed in shaders here its same old same old. But going by a simple fact AMD dumped polaris at us and never went above 36 CUs. That basically says right there that it was end end of shaders based on GCN CUs, and we see what they call NCU. More streamlined workload vs shaders just sitting there and eating power.

I love nvidia's performance. But I have not seen them release a Ti at such a price. I think if Vega was DUD they would have priced 1080ti higher. I am thinking they are expecting some damn good competition hence they releasing the 1080ti at 699 and off loading as my cards as they can before vega hits. That 699 price was to me a total surprise and that only says one thing sell as many as you can.
 
noko said:
Well that kinda explains the rapid rush lately from Nvidia releasing 1080Ti at the much lower price than anticipated, the rushing for Volta to get released, yet another Titan X (seems more reactionary vice planned). Maybe Nvidia's inside information is telling them their asses are about to get kicked. We still don't know anything is probably more the truth.

Nice looking card, liking the water cooling:


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That picture is a Radeon Pro Duo - Hence the old logo.
 
Flogger23m said:
Buy now, waiting a few months is pointless if Volta is right around the corner. Always best to buy a GPU when new, not on the tail end of its life.
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if volta is using gddr6 then it wont be here until Q1 2018. Which is pretty much said by hynix announcement that gddr6 for high end graphics will be available in early 2018.
 
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