Perfect example of why to never go Win10

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Going Win10 is like going full retard.

https://www.gog.com/forum/imperialism_series/imperialism_2_broken_after_win_10_anniversary_update

"An hour ago I was in the middle of a game of Imp 2 when Windows 10 decided it was time to update. It booted me out of everything and went into the frustratingly long update cycle. After the update I am now on the 'Windows Anniversary Update' which, apart from screwing up my Start menu (why Microsoft, why can't you just leave it alone?!) also seems to have totally broke Imp 2."

Yea, yea, you can defer updates now but it still might break shit when Microsoft decides you need a "new" Win10.
 
now go install the creators update and youll be totally up to date. maybe it will work again.
 
I have no first or second-hand experience with this "suddenly rebooted for an update without my knowledge" thing.

As for a game from 1999 by a company that no longer exists not working in a 2016 OS, well, I dunno. The oldest game I have is Total Annihilation off of Steam and it works great in Windows 10, even on a 4K monitor (tho at native resolution it's virtually unplayable since the HUD is so tiny).

It does look like at least one person in that thread got the game working via a workaround.
 
Out of curiosity I just bought this game, $6 to try it out. Doesn't work out of the box but the fix is simple. Under Turn Windows features on or off go to the Legacy Components node and click on DirectPlay. Works perfectly after that.

So not a prefect example of anything other than older programs that might need certain legacy components setup.
 
pendragon1 said:
now go install the creators update and youll be totally up to date. maybe it will work again.
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That's not me, just a post I came across. I run Win8.1 so I don't get those issues. I do have that game though and no issues on Wim8.1.
 
heatlesssun said:
You'd have to do the same thing under Windows 8.1 because DirectPlay isn't enabled by default.
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I do have that game and just tested it and it works fine, except the opening video doesn't play.

Ok, I already had DirectPlay turned on. But he said it worked fine before update and didn't after. Did update turn Directplay off? Probably, I've seen others complain that Win10 major updates sets everything back to square one, including the telemetry.
 
I didn't have DirectPlay setup until now but I've never had an issue with Windows features getting setup that were enabled before an upgrade, like Hyper-V for instance. But yeah, there are plenty of reports of settings getting set back to defaults but I've seen other mention that the CU kept settings pretty well intact if you installed the CU through Windows Update. So yeah, there's an issue there but Windows features to my knowledge hasn't been a problem in this area.

In any case turn DirectPlay on and this game works fine under Windows 10 CU. I have nearly 200 games installed on my sig rig and all that I've played after the CU were still working perfectly.
 
rezerekted said:
I do have that game and just tested it and it works fine, except the opening video doesn't play.

Ok, I already had DirectPlay turned on. But he said it worked fine before update and didn't after. Did update turn Directplay off? Probably, I've seen others complain that Win10 major updates sets everything back to square one, including the telemetry.
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yeah unfortunately it does sometimes. as it is basically a over top reinstall. but thankfully its should only be twice a year and doesn't happen all the time. my system updated to the new ip 16179 last night and everything is still the same. for a while I had to reset shit after every ip update.
 
pendragon1 said:
yeah unfortunately it does sometimes. as it is basically a over top reinstall. but thankfully its should only be twice a year and doesn't happen all the time. my system updated to the new ip 16179 last night and everything is still the same. for a while I had to reset shit after every ip update.
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Microsoft has acknowledged the problem with keeping settings during version upgrades and it does look like the situation has improved with the CU but it could still be a lot better.
 
Microsoft is sending its users a hidden message with the Creators Update for windows NT.
 
heatlesssun said:
Out of curiosity I just bought this game, $6 to try it out. Doesn't work out of the box but the fix is simple. Under Turn Windows features on or off go to the Legacy Components node and click on DirectPlay. Works perfectly after that.

So not a prefect example of anything other than older programs that might need certain legacy components setup.
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Thanks for sharing. Did you at least get a prompt or did you just have to troubleshoot yourself? I've seen a lot of older applications where Windows pops up requesting that feature to be turned on.
SuperSubZero said:
I have no first or second-hand experience with this "suddenly rebooted for an update without my knowledge" thing.
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Same here, but I also don't try to block updates or screw with those settings. I set the Active Hours to 8am to 2 am and usually manually run Windows Update on patch Tuesday. I install the major updates usually as soon as they come out, but I think this fall I will wait until my PC is prompted to install RS3 rather than force it a few weeks early.
 
bigdogchris said:
Thanks for sharing. Did you at least get a prompt or did you just have to troubleshoot yourself? I've seen a lot of older applications where Windows pops up requesting that feature to be turned on.
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No helpful error. A link off the link in the OP mentioned installing DirectPlay, so that's where I got the idea.
 
Yeah, the forced updates are pretty infuriating.

Problem is, aside from the privacy violations, forced updates, and forced reboots, Win10 is a great OS.

"Aside from that, how did you enjoy the play, Mrs. Lincoln?"
 
schizo said:
Yeah, the forced updates are pretty infuriating.

Problem is, aside from the privacy violations, forced updates, and forced reboots, Win10 is a great OS.

"Aside from that, how did you enjoy the play, Mrs. Lincoln?"
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And it's not like this has been endlessly debated. This thread started out with how some old game stopped working in Windows 10 and it took me 10 minutes to get it working on the CU. So understand that if everyone here having issues with all that you listed, a lot fewer people would be using. 10 is running smoothly for a lot folks.
 
It isn't that it took 10 minutes to fix, it's that the update itself came unexpectedly, interrupted what he was doing, he couldn't opt out of it, and it broke the game he was playing. The combination of those things results in a really poor user experience.
 
schizo said:
It isn't that it took 10 minutes to fix, it's that the update itself came unexpectedly, interrupted what he was doing, he couldn't opt out of it, and it broke the game he was playing. The combination of those things results in a really poor user experience.
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True. However that's not unique to Windows 10 or Windows in general. A few years back I had a game running in Linux that tried to switch resolutions, the screen went black, and I ended up needing to reinstall the OS entirely to fix all the issues. Clearly that's a poor user experience. But it's not "a perfect example of why to never go Linux".
 
The link in the OP is from a post dated September 27, 2016 and the update was the "Anniversary Update". I haven't seen many, if any, posts about the Creator's Update in this regard. Just my 2¢.
 
AU let you set your active hours to a 12 hour per day range. CU increases this to 18 hours per day. Windows won't automatically restart within this window. So if you set a sensible 18 hour range now you'll never get kicked out of something unless you break your pattern. :p But you have to set your active hours first of course. And you need to keep your computer turned off for it to not do updates in the 6 hour inactive window. Not saying W10 is perfect, but they've taken steps to minimise the chances of this happening with the latest updates.
 
Pandur said:
AU let you set your active hours to a 12 hour per day range. CU increases this to 18 hours per day. Windows won't automatically restart within this window. So if you set a sensible 18 hour range now you'll never get kicked out of something unless you break your pattern. :p But you have to set your active hours first of course. And you need to keep your computer turned off for it to not do updates in the 6 hour inactive window. Not saying W10 is perfect, but they've taken steps to minimise the chances of this happening with the latest updates.
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Plus, you can pause updates for up to 7 days, if you need to do so.
 
ManofGod said:
Plus, you can pause updates for up to 7 days, if you need to do so.
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7 whole days, huh. How about I'll let the OS know when its time to update, and not before. And I'll wait for 5 years if I feel like it, because Windows only exists on my PC for my patience and indulgence.
 
heatlesssun said:
And it's not like this has been endlessly debated. This thread started out with how some old game stopped working in Windows 10 and it took me 10 minutes to get it working on the CU. So understand that if everyone here having issues with all that you listed, a lot fewer people would be using. 10 is running smoothly for a lot folks.
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You're so full of shit it's not even funny. So you have one example where ticking a box fixed the issue vs hundreds of legacy games that have stopped permanently working due to updates.
 
Bandalo said:
True. However that's not unique to Windows 10 or Windows in general. A few years back I had a game running in Linux that tried to switch resolutions, the screen went black, and I ended up needing to reinstall the OS entirely to fix all the issues. Clearly that's a poor user experience. But it's not "a perfect example of why to never go Linux".
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Or you just didn't know which setting went wrong and you had to resort to reinstall, more likely. A few years back gaming on linux was very immature indeed and your problem most likely started from display drivers.
 
heatlesssun said:
LOL! Attack people when they provide solutions to problems.
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Your post was arrogant in the extreme and implying that people who had trouble weren't as smart as you to find the directsound setting. And by doing so, touting that nothing is wrong with Windows10 when everyone knows it's not true.
 
It was the solution this problem in the OP. And you mistake arrogance with "This wasn't a big deal." At least in this case.
 
heatlesssun said:
It was the solution this problem in the OP. And you mistake arrogance with "This wasn't a big deal." At least in this case.
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heatlesssun said:
This thread started out with how some old game stopped working in Windows 10 and it took me 10 minutes to get it working on the CU.
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sounds pretty damn arrogant to me.
 
Translation. Somebody offered a simple solution to a practical problem involving Windows 10. You don't offer any assistance and just start hurling insults at. You had not one damned thing to offer here beside attacking me. That's not arrogance, that's the truth.
 
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