AMD Ryzen 5 1600 & 1400 CPU Review @ [H]

Alrighty.....the bannings have begun. I suggest you address the post, not the person that posted it.
 
DuronBurgerMan said:
There's something odd I keep seeing in all the benchmarks, where Ryzen actually wins against the 7700k in super-high res benchmarks. Not just a margin of error thing, because it's pretty consistent from review to review. It's never by much, a couple of percent at the most, but it's there... and I've never seen a satisfactory explanation for it, given that Ryzen gets its ass kicked in the lower res benchmarks, and the higher res should be GPU limited.

You even see it in the charts you posted. Ryzen consistently moves up the ladder as resolution increases.

Anybody have any idea why?
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Because geometry rate (which is presumably what Ryzen is slower than intel at) is no longer an issue at higher resolutions and the video card has a different aspect that it needs more at higher resolutions that Ryzen is better at. What that is, I'm not sure, but it may be something driver related that Ryzen is better at, or it could be some pcie bandwidth thing it's better at. Tough to say, but really what matters is how it performs at what you do. In VR, it sure seems to do a good job, and as that's my primary gaming load that's what I care about. It also looks to be more future proof than the 7700k, but that remains to be seen.
 
can someone please please please explain why they did NOT run the chips at the SAME CLOCK SPEED?? in the review they kept giving the intel chips praise in single core benchmarks. does t his mean this site was paid by intel to wreck the review?
 
elites2012 said:
can someone please please please explain why they did NOT run the chips at the SAME CLOCK SPEED?? in the review they kept giving the intel chips praise in single core benchmarks. does t his mean this site was paid by intel to wreck the review?
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Why would they run them at the same clock speed if they will run at different clock speeds in real life?
 
elites2012 said:
can someone please please please explain why they did NOT run the chips at the SAME CLOCK SPEED?? in the review they kept giving the intel chips praise in single core benchmarks. does t his mean this site was paid by intel to wreck the review?
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They ran them at STOCK speeds. The only reason to run them at the exact same clock would be to try and compare IPC, which isn't nearly as useful as comparing how the chips will run out of the box.
 
Bandalo said:
They ran them at STOCK speeds. The only reason to run them at the exact same clock would be to try and compare IPC, which isn't nearly as useful as comparing how the chips will run out of the box.
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so whats the point in doing the review? its about the ryzen chip and not the intel chip, yet they ran the intel chips @ 5.0. i just dont get it.
 
elites2012 said:
so whats the point in doing the review? its about the ryzen chip and not the intel chip, yet they ran the intel chips @ 5.0. i just dont get it.
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There's really two useful reviews for comparison...Either stock-to-stock, or "typical" OC to OC. Most of the new Ryzen's can hit 4Ghz...the two Intel chips can easily hit 5Ghz.

Since this is HardOCP, they went with the OC route in this review.
 
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Wait what? so at 1440 Ryzen gains 26.86% over 1080P and they say that Nvidia's drivers aren't problematic.
 
Bandalo said:
There's really two useful reviews for comparison...Either stock-to-stock, or "typical" OC to OC. Most of the new Ryzen's can hit 4Ghz...the two Intel chips can easily hit 5Ghz.

Since this is HardOCP, they went with the OC route in this review.
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Thank you. i overlooked the part of the overclocking being what the site does. i forgot about that.
 
OrangeKhrush said:
Wait what? so at 1440 Ryzen gains 26.86% over 1080P and they say that Nvidia's drivers aren't problematic.
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I get that people see AMD and if they are Intel fans or Nvidia fans they feel that AMD is the enemy. People can still like using Radeon cards in Intel machines (I had been for almost 5 years). And many people including myself would have no problems using a Geforce on an AMD rig.

Personally I want the problem fixed. I am borrowing a video card from a machine that I would like to format and put back into service, but have been holding off pretty much till Vega now because of this issue. If it would get resolved I would heavily consider getting a 1080 now.

Instead no one with the resources are willing to test the solution and every Nvidia fanboy spends days throwing old, non-DX12, or high resolution screenshot to prove that there is no issue. The 1080 is a great card and it and it's more powerful brothers are the best DX11 cards ever. In fact I would call them the best cards ever created for a specific API. But getting a card that stumbles a bit on DX12 and similar API's is worrisome but one that basically penalizes me for no other reason than CPU choice (this applies to a 6900k user as well), isn't going to happen. The goal is the card I get next will be in my machine a minimum of 4 years outside failure. The closer we get to Vega, the less and less likely I will even contemplate a 1080 the choice will become if Vega big is enough of $/perf card and if not i'll get a 580 to hold me off for 2 years.

I wish that they would open their eyes. See the issue and like me hope that it gets resolved. That just because I bought a Ryzen CPU that I am unwilling to go Green. Some of my favorite GPU's have been Nvidia. I am not any Enemy. I am a guy looking for a solution.
 
Topweasel said:
I get that people see AMD and if they are Intel fans or Nvidia fans they feel that AMD is the enemy. People can still like using Radeon cards in Intel machines (I had been for almost 5 years). And many people including myself would have no problems using a Geforce on an AMD rig.

Personally I want the problem fixed. I am borrowing a video card from a machine that I would like to format and put back into service, but have been holding off pretty much till Vega now because of this issue. If it would get resolved I would heavily consider getting a 1080 now.

Instead no one with the resources are willing to test the solution and every Nvidia fanboy spends days throwing old, non-DX12, or high resolution screenshot to prove that there is no issue. The 1080 is a great card and it and it's more powerful brothers are the best DX11 cards ever. In fact I would call them the best cards ever created for a specific API. But getting a card that stumbles a bit on DX12 and similar API's is worrisome but one that basically penalizes me for no other reason than CPU choice (this applies to a 6900k user as well), isn't going to happen. The goal is the card I get next will be in my machine a minimum of 4 years outside failure. The closer we get to Vega, the less and less likely I will even contemplate a 1080 the choice will become if Vega big is enough of $/perf card and if not i'll get a 580 to hold me off for 2 years.

I wish that they would open their eyes. See the issue and like me hope that it gets resolved. That just because I bought a Ryzen CPU that I am unwilling to go Green. Some of my favorite GPU's have been Nvidia. I am not any Enemy. I am a guy looking for a solution.
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The issue is more that they look at you buying inferior products, it is a epeen thing.
 
Got my 1600x yesterday and built it. I've had no issues, knock on wood. Everything has been smooth. Updated to F6 bios, set ram to 3200mhz, installed Windows 10 Pro, used Ryzen Master to O/C to 4Ghz @ 1.4v and have had no crashes or BSODs or anything. Idle/Load temps seem fine with my H110i as well. Even my minimum FPS improved in the games I'm currently playing (The Division, Wildlands and PUBG). No complaints from me so far :)
 
elites2012 said:
can someone please please please explain why they did NOT run the chips at the SAME CLOCK SPEED?? in the review they kept giving the intel chips praise in single core benchmarks. does t his mean this site was paid by intel to wreck the review?
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Overclockers Comparison Page. If you want stock, go to Cnet.
 
OrangeKhrush said:
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Wait what? so at 1440 Ryzen gains 26.86% over 1080P and they say that Nvidia's drivers aren't problematic.
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What is "minimum" exactly and does the average change?

1440p takes longer to load. If the testing protocol is shitty and they take the literal lowest FPS and not lowest 1% it could be a loading sort of thing.

Does an AMD card not show the same? What makes you point at nVidia? It's no secret Ryzen is going to get wrecked by those processors for gaming regardless.
 
OrangeKhrush said:
The issue is more that they look at you buying inferior products, it is a epeen thing.
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Well unless they want to pay the difference or lone me their system till next year when I would have built a SL-X 8c system they can suck it. But even if I threw a fortune at a 6900 setup (which I was was heavily thinking about till the Ryzen preview) i'd still have the issue I just wouldn't know I had it.
 
Dayaks said:
What is "minimum" exactly and does the average change?

1440p takes longer to load. If the testing protocol is shitty and they take the literal lowest FPS and not lowest 1% it could be a loading sort of thing.

Does an AMD card not show the same? What makes you point at nVidia? It's no secret Ryzen is going to get wrecked by those processors for gaming regardless.
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I don't know, perhaps reading up on TPU methodology may tell you, either way it shouldn't happen that way.

Ryzen seems to be basically at the same level as my CPU unless you can utilize the extra threads.
 
DuronBurgerMan said:
AMD says otherwise:
http://wccftech.com/amd-pinnacle-ridge-cpu-zen-2-core/

They claim IPC bump in addition to clock rate bump. Of course... AMD is not known for honesty, so they could be bulsh*tting, and you've been right about everything else so far. Where'd you get your information from, if I may ask?
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Are you referencing since Ms. Su took over? I hope you aren't going back to like Bulldozer era. It was different management then.
 
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