AMD Radeon RX 580 PowerColor Red Devil Golden Sample

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It still feels like they're leaving something on the table here with Polaris. Given that "Scorpio" is being shown with Polaris, but with more compute units, is the "580" just a factor of quality control and binning down? Will there be a "580ti"? It just seems like they could push more from it but aren't. With that in mind, seems fine, it's what I expected from a 2nd gen rebadge...interesting that they changed the reference cooler and moved away from the blowers.
 
sabrewolf732 said:
So I should pretty much still buy an r9 fury for $240 over this. Damn amd.
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Not really. For all intents and purposes, AMD no longer sells a "high end" card. R9 Fury stocks are very low, and most are over $400. If you can get one for $240....still not sure it is the card to buy looking forward with only 4GB of VRAM.
 
Pusher of Buttons said:
..interesting that they changed the reference cooler and moved away from the blowers.
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I am not sure what is going on with "stock" cooler cards. We were not offered one to review by AMD and have not seen one from any other building as of this morning.
 
Hmm... Not a huge boost, but better factory OC than I've seen on the 480. My question is do these new polaris revisions OC further than the original stock? I've been able to get an easy 1400 MHz on pretty much any non-reference 480 and 470 I've laid hands on, so I'd like to see if that will change with the 500 series...
 
KazeoHin said:
Hmm... Not a huge boost, but better factory OC than I've seen on the 480. My question is do these new polaris revisions OC further than the original stock? I've been able to get an easy 1400 MHz on pretty much any non-reference 480 and 470 I've laid hands on, so I'd like to see if that will change with the 500 series...
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Working on it. We just got the driver for the 580 on Thursday. Add in this launch was given 5 days over a holiday weekend. It seems to me that AMD did not want us to spend "too much" time reviewing its product thoroughly.
 
It's actually kind of impressive when you look at VR. Massive reduction in reprojection and dropped frames. I mean, I would still get a 1070 if I were REALLY looking into VR, but it's a nice solid gain nonetheless.

For non-VR gaming, not a bad bump for a 'lower' priced part.
 
So I know there wasn't a lot of time to review this product, but I feel like we're missing a page on overclocking this bad boy. Is there any headroom? What happens in performance when you clock the memory to 9Ghz like some RD RX480 samples were able to achieve?

The PowerColor Red Devil RX480 could overclock pretty reliably to 1375 / 2200 with one review I read clocking to 1430.
 
That's some serious powerdraw. And its GPU only as well.

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CombatChrisNC said:
It's actually kind of impressive when you look at VR. Massive reduction in reprojection and dropped frames. I mean, I would still get a 1070 if I were REALLY looking into VR, but it's a nice solid gain nonetheless.

For non-VR gaming, not a bad bump for a 'lower' priced part.
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Keep in mind that we did all of our VR testing at lower IQ than we normally do. This was not our usual "high end" VR focus. That said, the RX 580 looks much better than the RX 480 did.
 
DMFD-Minister said:
So I know there wasn't a lot of time to review this product, but I feel like we're missing a page on overclocking this bad boy. Is there any headroom? What happens in performance when you clock the memory to 9Ghz like some RD RX480 samples were able to achieve?

The PowerColor Red Devil RX480 could overclock pretty reliably to 1375 / 2200 with one review I read clocking to 1430.
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Working on it. We just got the driver for the 580 on Thursday. Add in this launch was given 5 days over a holiday weekend. It seems to me that AMD did not want us to spend "too much" time reviewing its product thoroughly.
 
Meh. I mean, I'm sure if you want AMD cards, this is a nice little bump, and I'm not sure what else we could really expect from a clock speed refresh of an existing design... but this is kind of fail. They call it a 580, but they'd have been better off calling it a 485 or something.

AMD is starting to play catch up in the CPU market, finally... but it seems they are trading off by falling behind in the GPU market. Maybe they just don't have enough R&D resources, or something. They better hope Vega matches the hype. I, for one, highly doubt it -- when has the AMD hype ever matched the end product?
 
Decent effort from AMD, but.....
the extremely high power consumption compared to the competition , plus the fact that NVidia will be launching a refreshed line of GTX1060s with faster memory, are discouraging news for the RX580 line.
 
so is the 590 Vega? I havent been following the GPU market lately. my 390 could use a upgrade soon lol

Sith'ari said:
Decent effort from AMD, but.....
the extremely high power consumption compared to the competition , plus the fact that NVidia will be launching a refreshed line of GTX1060s with faster memory, are discouraging news for the RX580 line.
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The power consumption means nothing to me, I didnt buy a Vette or upgrade the Evo to 450 whp for better gas milage. Its all about Smiles per gallon in anything enthusiast. I know some people care though.
 
DuronBurgerMan said:
Meh. I mean, I'm sure if you want AMD cards, this is a nice little bump, and I'm not sure what else we could really expect from a clock speed refresh of an existing design... but this is kind of fail. They call it a 580, but they'd have been better off calling it a 485 or something.
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I suggested 480XT following past skus.

Sith'ari said:
Decent effort from AMD, but.....
the extremely high power consumption compared to the competition , plus the fact that NVidia will be launching a refreshed line of GTX1060s with faster memory, are discouraging news for the RX580 line.
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Still waiting to get faster memory 1060s in hand, but would have loved to have had one to compare in this article.

Dan said:
so is the 590 Vega? I havent been following the GPU market lately. my 390 could use a upgrade soon lol
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Stop reading all the rumor sites. ;) Vega is branded, "VEGA." No numbers.
 
So they respun the design to improve yields/clock speeds, upped the voltage significantly, and used a huge aftermarket cooler and still only got 159MHz more over the standard off the shelf 480? I'm not impressed.

Seems like a decent product in it's own right, but I still think something must have gone really wrong with the development of Polaris.
 
I like it. A bit of a boost over the 480, with a slightly reduced price, if you don't factor in MIR. Of course, if the performance boost isn't a big consideration, some of the 480's right now have some good sales and MIR offers. I wonder what you could do with a stock 580 and manually OC'ing it?
 
Lol wow, that voltage increase. I feel a storm of 580 owners getting instability at stock speeds incoming.
 
AMD serving up some rehash-browns just in time for breakfast this morning. Tastes a bit aged, but still palatable.

Thanks for another outstanding review, [H].
 
Dan said:
so is the 590 Vega? I havent been following the GPU market lately. my 390 could use a upgrade soon lol




The power consumption means nothing to me, I didnt buy a Vette or upgrade the Evo to 450 whp for better gas milage. Its all about Smiles per gallon in anything enthusiast. I know some people care though.
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Didn't you see the hyped up party at GDC? All that fanfare was to announce that Vega will be called RX Vega.

30% more power for a 10% bump in performance, though? The RX 580 is using as more power than a 1080 Ti, but can only barely beat a GTX 1060.
 
at $229 it seems pretty damn solid imo. May get one for the wife's rig. That massive voltage jump tho makes me curious to if it can be undervolted at all and remain stable to drop that power consumption
 
Armenius said:
The RX 580 is using as more power than a 1080 Ti
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No, not even close. From [H] itself, 1080ti system wattage gaming was 394W. 580 was 351W.


If you're going to slam the card, do it accurately. It consumes 50% more power than its competitor's comparable card for a slight edge in performance, but there's no need to spout something like this when it's so easily refuted.
 
legcramp said:
Lol wow, that voltage increase. I feel a storm of 580 owners getting instability at stock speeds incoming.
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I would imagine that voltage is only for the PowerColor Golden Sample board, and they probably heavily bin those GPUs. I would assume, anyway. Did any other reviewers test a "reference" RX 580? Does such a thing exist?
 
jbc029 said:
No, not even close. From [H] itself, 1080ti system wattage gaming was 394W. 580 was 351W.


If you're going to slam the card, do it accurately. It consumes 50% more power than its competitor's comparable card for a slight edge in performance, but there's no need to spout something like this when it's so easily refuted.
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The GPU-Z screenshot shows power peaking at about 270W on the video card. TPU shows the 1080 Ti peaking at 267W.

But if you want a direct comparison in testing methodologies, here is TPU's chart for the Sapphire RX 580 Nitro+:
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I think the average is more interesting and indicative of real world performance.
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https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Sapphire/RX_580_Nitro_Plus/28.html

They measure power draw for the video card directly from the slot and power connectors.
 
so they are now at the 390x levels (which is a glorified 290x) ?, really? it's been 2yrs!
 
DuronBurgerMan said:
when has the AMD hype ever matched the end product?
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I thought the hype finally simmered down post RX 480 launch. Much more realistic statistics have even been posted within AMD lately. None of this "Overclockers Dream" bullshit being spouted. Their products aren't mind blowing but they are certainly not irrelevant anymore. Vega just needs to launch yesterday and match a 1080ti or it will be irrelevant.
 
Rvenger said:
I thought the hype finally simmered down post RX 480 launch. Much more realistic statistics have even been posted within AMD lately. None of this "Overclockers Dream" bullshit being spouted. Their products aren't mind blowing but they are certainly not irrelevant anymore. Vega just needs to launch yesterday and match a 1080ti or it will be irrelevant.
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Hopefully Vega does that. I'm not holding my breath though. Best guess is Vega barely matches a vanilla 1080. I'll eat my words if wrong though.
 
Dan said:
The power consumption means nothing to me, I didnt buy a Vette or upgrade the Evo to 450 whp for better gas milage. Its all about Smiles per gallon in anything enthusiast. I know some people care though.
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Yeah but this is more like comparing two econoboxes with equal performance but one gets 30mpg while the other gets 20mpg.
 
Can anybody say "7970 GHz Edition'?

Increase performance by 10% while increasing power consumption by 40%. Same old shit, different day.

I knew this was way too early to have the process issues kicked (and get a clock bump for free), so they steal it with a massive voltage bump. But the hopeful wouldn't stop dreaming :D

RX 480 shipping load voltage = 0.980 - 1.070 V
RX 580 shipping load voltage = 1.125 V

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/RX_480/28.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Sapphire/RX_580_Nitro_Plus/34.html

It does let them raise prices a bit, as this is performance-competitive with the 1060 factory-overclocked cards. But at what cost? This thing is now in the stratosphere for power consumption, limiting it to people with 600+ watt PSU, and more expensive 140mm fan cases.
 
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You can only bandaid the same architecture for so long. It is showing. Look at Intel's microupdates to their CPU lines. AMD is doing the same on the GPU side.


Vega has to be different, almost completely.
 
From what I can see, this appears to be a fairly good 1080p performer when matched up with a FreeSync monitor. I'll stick with my 980.
 
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