Where are the AM4 ITX boards?

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Ok, Biostar's got some rumors of an X370 and a B350 board.

Where's the other manufacturer's ITX boards?
 
Ryzen boards are kind of a fiasco right now, to say the least... I think either they weren't prepared for the people that had sheer interest in it or AMD just didn't give them enough of a lead in time to get the boards prepped.

There's a solid crowd of both mATX users and m-ITX enthusiasts looking for options and they definitely need to address it soon!
 
Agreed. Would really like a solid overclocking ITX board to show up soon LOL
 
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I truly don't understand why motherboard manufacturers think that everyone wants atx. To me micro atx is probally the best all around motherboard. They should be able to build the board the same as a top tier atx motherboard just not have the extra sockets for add on cards. I have had micro atx motherboards that you could crossfire on , granted you couldn't have any other cardl, but that is a choice a person makes. I don't know about you, but my 2 atx systems do not have every slot populated anyways.
 
I truly don't understand why motherboard manufacturers think that everyone wants atx. To me micro atx is probally the best all around motherboard. They should be able to build the board the same as a top tier atx motherboard just not have the extra sockets for add on cards. I have had micro atx motherboards that you could crossfire on , granted you couldn't have any other cardl, but that is a choice a person makes. I don't know about you, but my 2 atx systems do not have every slot populated anyways.

This was less true when Multi-GPU worked essentially all the time, and it's becoming more true as support fades- but do note that many manufacturers have put out hot-rodded mATX boards right alongside their ATX boards, and some (notably ASUS) have produced overbuilt mITX boards as well.

(also, generally speaking while you certainly could run two GPUs on mATX, this was a bit of a problem for cooling and really more trouble than it's worth)
 
Can`t wait for ITX AM4 board ... Till I have to wait im rocking an AB350 ASRock ...

Damn to long wait ...
 
Ryzen boards are kind of a fiasco right now, to say the least... I think either they weren't prepared for the people that had sheer interest in it or AMD just didn't give them enough of a lead in time to get the boards prepped.

There's a solid crowd of both mATX users and m-ITX enthusiasts looking for options and they definitely need to address it soon!

You mean a shit show? The truth is that AMD didn't ship the final UEFI code until three weeks before Ryzen's launch. That rumir is accurate. Normally these things happen weeks before that. The motherboard manufacturers ideally should be done with their work by that point. Everyhing up to launch in that period should be PR, manufacturing and shipping. Motherboard manufacturers were put in a bind where they had no time to work with. What they've put out has collectively been a shit show. They are doing the best they can so I'm not going to call them out specifically. All indications are that the blame rests squarely on AMD.

Agreed. Would really like a solid overclocking ITX board to show up soon LOL

As would I.

I expect these to be more popular when ryzen based APUs hit the market.

I think your right on the money with this statement. That said, there is a niche of people who want these for higher end gaming builds. My girlfriend favors this format and I've been building mITX rigs for her over several years now. She's definitely a gamer and isn't interested in the performance of an APU.

I truly don't understand why motherboard manufacturers think that everyone wants atx. To me micro atx is probally the best all around motherboard. They should be able to build the board the same as a top tier atx motherboard just not have the extra sockets for add on cards. I have had micro atx motherboards that you could crossfire on , granted you couldn't have any other cardl, but that is a choice a person makes. I don't know about you, but my 2 atx systems do not have every slot populated anyways.

Trust me, they are well aware that not everyone wants ATX motherboards. That's why you have more choices now than you did 10 years ago. That's why mATX and mITX motherboards aren't just stripped down budget offerings anymore. As for building the motherboard the same as the top teir motherboard, think again. That's much more challenging than you realize. That PCB real estate is a commodity. It isn't as though the PCB on the ATX and E-ATX motherboards aren't filled with surface mounted components. You can't just lop off the last couple PCIe slots and call it an mATX motherboard. mITX presents even more challenges. Frankly, badass motherboards that are equal to their ATX counterparts in this form factor from ASUS are so badass because they have the same or in some cases beefier voltage hardware than their ATX counterparts do. This takes engineering to achieve.

This was less true when Multi-GPU worked essentially all the time, and it's becoming more true as support fades- but do note that many manufacturers have put out hot-rodded mATX boards right alongside their ATX boards, and some (notably ASUS) have produced overbuilt mITX boards as well.

(also, generally speaking while you certainly could run two GPUs on mATX, this was a bit of a problem for cooling and really more trouble than it's worth)

I don't think multi-GPU support will fade permanently. I think we are in a transitional state where developers won't implement it because of the console focus, but as we've seen in the many threads on the topic, multiGPU is alive and well on many titles. I'm seeing good scaling out of Andromeda and I couldn't run that game at 4K without it. DX12 moved suppot for this onto the shoulders of developers. Vulkan now has multiGPU support so we may see development shift back to taking advantage of it. AMD and NVIDIA benefit from it as they can double their sales to individuals like myself that desire the performance.

I don't know, I think ASRock tends to do the more 'overkill' stuff - that X99 ITX board is pretty freaking hilariously overkill, imho :)

That one motherboard is a good example but ASUS actually gave you the same number or more power phases than higher end ATX boards did. Some of their mITX motherboards were more capable than a lot of high end motherboards were for this reason. The X99 ITX board from ASRock is 1 parts cool and 2 parts stupid. The form factor negated all the benefits of the X99 chipset aside from the ability to have more than 4c/8t in that space. The memory support was cut in half, you lost two channels, you lost the ability to use the extra PCIe lanes etc. It's a surprisingly decent overclocker but there are serious thermal issues with it because the heat sink it uses isn't beefy enough to handle overclocked CPU's like the 5960X. Solutions to cool it are few and far between without getting creative. It's only overkill because it's X99 and mITX. The ASUS Maximus VI Impact and sequels to that motherboard are far more overkill than the ASRock offering is. The ASRock X99E-ITX/AC is a one trick pony if I've ever seen one. Everything else about it besides that CPU socket is middle of the road at best.
 
I was just wondering then Dan_D if you truly feel there is a decent enough micro atx motherboard out there right now. The last thing I want to do is put a $300 processor in a motherboard that shouldn't have a $100 processor it in. I have been looking at what is currently available for the last month, and all of them look to be very anemic on the power side of things. The last thing I want to do is put a system together and then fry my cpu when I have it overclocked and I am loading to the max doing something cpu intensive.
 
At least, here in Spain you can't find any AM4 motherboard. Maybe in April we can see they coming out.
 
I was just wondering then Dan_D if you truly feel there is a decent enough micro atx motherboard out there right now. The last thing I want to do is put a $300 processor in a motherboard that shouldn't have a $100 processor it in. I have been looking at what is currently available for the last month, and all of them look to be very anemic on the power side of things. The last thing I want to do is put a system together and then fry my cpu when I have it overclocked and I am loading to the max doing something cpu intensive.

I haven't looked at any new mATX motherboards in awhile. On the AM4 front, I'm just now getting hands on experience with the platform. Motherboards were so scarce or so problematic that I'm just now getting into the thick of it with them.
 
I think there should be a few more mATX boards out there. Almost no x370 boards, with B350 boards being the majority of what's available. Out of those boards the ASRock AB350M Pro4 looks to have the best power setup. Availability is, of course, constrained.

http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/AB350M Pro4/index.us.asp

I hope vendors can catch up with demand and get some miniITX boards out in time for the APU release. I would have loved to go SFF first and save a big box for the 16 core part coming later in the year.
 
I hate to say it but I will truly be amazed if we get a good quality motherboard on the AMD side. AMD has been creating the best processor for HTPC and entry level computers with their APU line up, but yet we have only seen mediocre motherboards. Lets not even talk about the micro atx options for AM3+ processors. The only way you could get a decent motherboard is if you purchased their top of the line boards and they were not even close on quality as intels versions.

Now if the quality of boards we were offered right from the get go for AM4 was AMD's fault, then why are we not even seeing top tier and quality boards listed on their websites. Yes I will admit I am getting frustrated with the motherboard manufacturers out there. I was hoping to have my new computer up and running and playing around with it. But I am not going to spend my hard earned money on mediocre products and just live with it. I already have my processor and ram and hopefully some day there will be a itx or micro atx motherboard released worthy of putting the parts in it. That problem has nothing to do with AMD at all.
 
I really hope we get some more updates on any upcoming itx boards. I'm ready to return to the AMD side but if there isn't any ITX boards coming out soon enough, I guess I'll stick to Intel again.
 
Same, ugh - though I'm holding out. I like the idea of being able to pass off node work to the HTPC haha
 
In the same boat too if vendors prolong itx boards past June I might as well wait for what Intel has to offer later down the road.
 
Despite what the motherboard vendors are saying they had Ryzen samples and chipsets but they didn't take the launch seriously enough to invest either time or money into making many boards... that's how far down the hole AMD was and that's how little respect they had coming to them from board partners. Seriously think about that, AMD was almost out of it except for fringe products.

Now that there's demand, well of course we're going to get products. The issue is I think the AMD habits are still sticking with board partners and knows what features they're going to offer vs their Intel counterparts. I too would like an ITX board but I want a low power APU to replace a kabini FM1 so I'm already stuck in waiting mode.
 
When was the last time AMD had a serious competitor in the SFF market? The high-performance SFF market is relatively young, so I don't believe AMD has really ever had the pull with vendors to convince them that a new-socket AMD board in mITX was worth their while. I can understand their trepidation. It would be nice to see one, though, since the R5s and 7s are doing pretty well for power consumption, giving you more PSU headroom for the GPU instead. Not as big a deal as it used to be with some of the powerful SFX power supplies we have but still a relevant point.
 
I was told the uATX model would be on NewEgg on Friday by a Biostar rep, so here's hoping...
 
Mid june and mid july before the out-of-stock Biostar motherboards get competition. That's a bummer...
 
Mid june and mid july before the out-of-stock Biostar motherboards get competition. That's a bummer...

Just think of all the deals there will be at Christmas from all the vendors flooding us to get the APU market saturated.... I'm actually looking forward to it.
 
Probably Asrock is waiting for Computex show to announce some. There should be couple weeks later on on sale.
 
AsRock just announced a AM4 mini itx. It seems pretty good tbh.

ASROCK-Computex-X299-3.jpg
 
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I don't know, I think ASRock tends to do the more 'overkill' stuff - that X99 ITX board is pretty freaking hilariously overkill, imho :)
What is wrong with it? I have one and love it. 5960x and a Titan Xp in a Sg-13 case that is portable and fits all my needs.
 
I don't know, I think ASRock tends to do the more 'overkill' stuff - that X99 ITX board is pretty freaking hilariously overkill, imho :)

Wait until you see the X299 ITX MB; now THAT is the very definition of overkill...!
 
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