I barely notice the ads. I actually had to go check for myself. I guess I'm never in the menu UI long. What I need is easy to find and access. The Kinect works well for navigation as well.
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It's Game Over for the Xbox One
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To be frank, that should have meant that the PS3 was "dead" as well because, initially, the 360 was outselling it. Eventually the PS3 caught up so was it "dead" because it didn't do as well at the start? Obviously not. Calling something "dead" is just ludicrous fanboyism. PS4 isn't even "winning the race" because there is no "race'. Both companies are selling consoles. One company is selling more consoles. Big deal. It shouldn't matter one bit of difference to anyone who's selling more consoles but I suppose people who make a living writing about this stuff have to have an article to pay the bills. Buy the system that has the games you want to play. Don't give a flying fig who's "winning" because it won't change your enjoyment of the games unless you're really shallow.
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Exclusives were always a thing since the 16-bit gaming era. Why you bought a Sega or Nintendo console depended on your taste on games. I went with Sega, and was ignorant to what Nintendo had. It wasn't until emulators like ZSNES or SNES9X were out where I got to experience those SNES games and thought I should have bought a Nintendo console.
During the PS1 vs N64 era, I sided with the N64 and got to experience great games. Again, later I played some PS1 games on PC but other than a handful of games, the N64 was the superior gaming experience in my opinion. Mario 64, Zelda 64, GoldenEyE, Mario Kart, Smash Bros, Banjo Kazooie, and the list goes on. PS1 had Megaman X games, Final Fantasy games, Castlevania, and Chrono Cross.
By the PS2 era that exclusives list got shorter. Xbox had... Halo, a game on PC and Mac. Nintendo had their usually titles, except there were hardly any 3rd party support. Xbox 360 had more than the Xbox, but the PS3 had less than the PS2.
Nowadays the amount of Xbox One games I want is nearly 0. I can't think of a single game I want to play on a Xbox One. The PS4 though has a few, like BloodBorne, The Last of Us, Uncharted, and that's it. Halo has sucked since Halo 3, so Halo 5 is no longer a factor. And if I wanted to play Xbox One games, then it's obviously going to be on PC. For whatever reason BloodBorne hasn't been ported to PC, but I think it's a matter of time before it is.
Really? It's hard to figure out where Microsoft fucked up?
#1 Used game fiasco before the machine was released? Probably the biggest reason why the Xbox One is flopping today. This drove a ton of people to jump onto PS4 and PC, which started the uphill battle the Xbox One had to deal with.
#2 The price. People forget that for a while the PS4 was cheaper than the Xbox One. It wasn't until the Xbox One dropped the Kinect, and then dropped the price further to reflect it's performance. Cause dropping the Kinect only gave it equal pricing to the PS4, but the PS4 has better graphics so why would anyone buy a Xbox One when the PS4 is the same price but better in everything?
#3 The PC also plays a factor. For some reason a lot of Xbox One "exclusives" were also on PC. With the exception of only a few games, people can enjoy PC exclusives and Xbox One exclusives.
#4 Shit exclusives for the Xbox One. What game could you possibly want on the Xbox One that wasn't on PS4 or PC, and thereby superior? This isn't Nintendo where nearly everything they make is considered gold.
Honestly, it's amazing that Xbox has a leg to stand on with all the mistakes they made.
Xbox blew it when they sold a promise of a future digital gaming system, then delivered a half-ass'd experience on under-powered hardware with a poor lineup. and over time now, never realized how to recover. While playstation continues to get better use of it's hardware and has crushed on the title lineup... I was just looking at 2017 most anticipated games, and so many of them are PS4 exclusives, XBOX has no exclusive games for 2017, so why would you want an xbox? if it's shared platform, I'd rather be on a PC... if it's multi, Might as well go with the PS4... Xbox offers nothing..
I predict we will see a complete plummeting of future xbox sales and scorpio will be a total dud, looks completely under powered and won't deliver 4K gaming while it will still deal with zero titles.
I'd love to see one reason why someone walking into a store today to buy a console would choose anything other then a PS4.
For the record, I am strictly PC gamer, I woned all three xboxes and regret all three purchases, I only owned a PS1 and PS2... I've learned my lesson... consoles are a total waste of money for me.
I predict we will see a complete plummeting of future xbox sales and scorpio will be a total dud, looks completely under powered and won't deliver 4K gaming while it will still deal with zero titles.
I'd love to see one reason why someone walking into a store today to buy a console would choose anything other then a PS4.
For the record, I am strictly PC gamer, I woned all three xboxes and regret all three purchases, I only owned a PS1 and PS2... I've learned my lesson... consoles are a total waste of money for me.
That says nothing. What is the difference between a Scorpio that is performance bump and a whole new console?
What is the distinction, when Microsoft just plans backward compatible designs going forward?
It's like a PC now. When was the last all new PC design?
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The disparity is much larger then last gen though and it does effect enjoyment if player numbers are lower for online and games studios are skipping out porting their games or content to your console.
Microsoft should make scorpio be able to play pc games as well, that might actually get them some pull.
Said every dude in his early 20s. Besides, if they no time for anything but business, who cares what console they buy.
I have no family, but I'd much rather go out and get tail than sitting in a room playing games. When I'm okd with a bad hip, my backlog will be epic.
Just pointing out buying something based on friends seems like misplaced logic.
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Said every dude in his early 20s. Besides, if they no time for anything but business, who cares what console they buy.
We're in the weeds now, but I'll indulge. I've got enough real friends that I can count on one hand, and among these real friends, there are no plans to start families or anything like that. We play games a few times a week, and we work on our start-ups and cars the rest of the time. Some people just don't want kids and families, go figure.
Now if I go out of that inner circle (which frankly, doesn't matter at all), sure, those "friends" are married and may want to have kids within the next 5-6 years. I'm not in the business of keeping in touch with people every once in a while, I'd rather just have friends I can count on and that I can keep close (and want the same of me), and those fortunately (or unfortunately depending on your views) are VERY few.
Anyway though, I'd rather my group of friends be able to play the same game, than worry about which console is better/worse, because that shit really doesn't matter (nor can we change much).
Sure, for you, however, everyone's situation is different (like mine above). I wish I had more time to play games though. These days I'm lucky to squeeze in 3 hours a week.
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I thought the Scorpio was a new console, but was to be similar in design so that it could be flawlessly backwards compatible.
Problem is, when is Sony coming with a PS5?
Problem is, when is Sony coming with a PS5?
Yes the classic deflect: When you're losing a competition, say the competition doesn't matter. The reality is, if Xbone were outselling PS4 by the same >2:1 margin, not a second would go by where Microsoft & fans wouldn't be reminding everyone.
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Don't think so. The pseudo "Universal" Windows pipedream always had underlying technical problems and was ultimately a pipedream, based on a false presumption that the industry and consumers would rush to replace perfectly good Win32 programs with ugly, threadbare WinRT apps.
Only now that WinMobile is dead, UWA has no more reason to exist - even the fan sites have finally had to admit it. If you haven't noticed, the Xbox division has kept the Metro/Metro10 aka UWA crapware far, far away from its highly curated marketplace. And on PC, UWA is nothing more than a DRM wrapper, like placing a perfectly good executable inside a password-protected zip file that MS keeps you locked out of, so buh-bye modding. Zero value-add for PC gamers.
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You do realize that none of that applies to Xbox today, right?
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I take it you didn't watch the video I posted...
Yeah, I'm sure Microsoft is going to abandon UWA because you don't like it.
https://www.theguardian.com/technol...x-one-platforms-ending-fixed-console-hardware
whomever gets the Nintendo games will be the winner in my book. I don't think Nintendo can keep making hardware unless they change the current path. Maybe both Microsoft and Sony will get them but I'm sure Nintendo could pull a high price for exclusivity.
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The XBox One is far from a failure. I don't think MS considers it a failure either. Saying otherwise seems like fanboy banter. It's hard to say what the state of affairs will be years from now, but it's clear that MS is invested for the long-term. I don't think they're going away anytime soon.
Here's the thing, the PS4 being a success has literally saved Sony as a company. Times have gotten so bad for Sony (their phone division is roadkill now) that their entertainment divisions (i.e. games, film, etc.) are the only thing reliably turning Sony a profit. It's highly plausible that if the PS4 had been a failure, Sony as a company wouldn't exist as it does today.
Here's the thing, the PS4 being a success has literally saved Sony as a company. Times have gotten so bad for Sony (their phone division is roadkill now) that their entertainment divisions (i.e. games, film, etc.) are the only thing reliably turning Sony a profit. It's highly plausible that if the PS4 had been a failure, Sony as a company wouldn't exist as it does today.
Eh, Zelda has been selling shit-tons of Switch's for Nintendo. There won't be any Nintendo games for MS or Sony.
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A Guardian article... From March 2016...
DPI's link was posted today. A lot can change in the technology world in a year.
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You forgot about:
Required network connection
Forced Kinect 2.0 camera that was ALWAYS listening in.
No resales on used titles.
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Not to mention that all their note-worthy exclusives now come out simultaneously on PC. They want you to buy an Xbox, but they also want you using Windows. It's like their ambitions for selling both are cannibalizing the Xbox and hurting the Xbox more than the PC.
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I just want to point out that if you are using emulators; I hope you at least own the games you are emulating. Not trying to police, just making a point that Nintendo deserves your support. As someone who also went with Sega and recently bought a Wii U and 3DS so I can play all the Nintendo games i've missed out on as well as their virtual Titles; I do hope you are supporting Nintendo. My recent bout of Nintendo fever really makes me feel like a kid again, and that is totally worth the price.
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Free 4k UHD disk player is how it got in my house. Sony refuses to offer that or I'd have a PS4.
Well GOOD, that's actually a beneficial thing to the consumer. I wish they did that 15+ years ago instead of passive-aggressively fighting PC gaming this entire time.
Microsoft tried to make a consumer product that would leverage their PC monopoly and expand that into consoles. By the time we got to this round all we heard about was how it ran windows and was going to transform our living rooms. As someones edited launch video put in a very funny way earlier Tv Tv Tv Tv TV.
Sony on the other hand gave their unit a stripped down BSD OS that was geared to do what people wanted the box to do first and foremost. Play games and perhaps handle netflix.
MS has spent billions on the xbox project and NEVER turned a profit on any of them. Anyone that thinks otherwise is simply not informed. MS used to report Xbox numbers and when they did they never once showed a profit on the unit. their largest investors brought up Xbox often, there was a push to have MS divest from the xbox stuff as it has been a pretty major loss. MS instead have folded the reporting unit into larger and larger units to hide how much money they are still loosing on xbox stuff.
Scoripio is going to be just as big a flop. MS has convinced themselves that the issue has been consumers see the PS4 as more powerful. Lets all be honest the fact that the memory is slightly faster ect was never really the issue. The issue is the OS and MS making the xbox an annoying locked down version of a gaming PC. MS sold it that way.
Thankfully for gamers, the scorpio should be the end of MS in the console game. When it flops I doubt MS will be able to continue hiding xbox losses from investors. They will demand they move on.
Sony on the other hand gave their unit a stripped down BSD OS that was geared to do what people wanted the box to do first and foremost. Play games and perhaps handle netflix.
MS has spent billions on the xbox project and NEVER turned a profit on any of them. Anyone that thinks otherwise is simply not informed. MS used to report Xbox numbers and when they did they never once showed a profit on the unit. their largest investors brought up Xbox often, there was a push to have MS divest from the xbox stuff as it has been a pretty major loss. MS instead have folded the reporting unit into larger and larger units to hide how much money they are still loosing on xbox stuff.
Scoripio is going to be just as big a flop. MS has convinced themselves that the issue has been consumers see the PS4 as more powerful. Lets all be honest the fact that the memory is slightly faster ect was never really the issue. The issue is the OS and MS making the xbox an annoying locked down version of a gaming PC. MS sold it that way.
Thankfully for gamers, the scorpio should be the end of MS in the console game. When it flops I doubt MS will be able to continue hiding xbox losses from investors. They will demand they move on.
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Pretty much all of the games worth playing on the Xbox One are also on PC, with better graphics and controls. The PS4 has better exclusives and better graphics. Scorpio is right around the corner. I have no idea why someone would by an Xbox One.
Exactly why MS and sony to a degree have been loosing millions on hardware for years. MS isn't exactly making a ton off people buying their hardware and no software. The line was always the hardware was a loss leader... but if people buy your hardware to use as a subsidised disc player all you do is bleed money.
I understand why Sony decided to not put the next gen disc in their PS4 reboots. Those aren't sales they want.
Yep. If you already have a gaming PC, you can buy a PS4 or PS4 Pro and have all the bases covered. And the Scorpio reveal lineup is getting hammered on the gaming sites for not having any exclusive new launch IP; just the umpteenth Forza rehash and a bunch of multiplats also coming to PS4.
The whole Xbox/Windows pseudo-unified thing was never really about boosting gaming on PC's, though, or trying to make the PC gamer's experience better. They take that userbase for granted as they have for the past 17 years, since they enjoy a monopoly. It was about trying to get a leg up on Sony and provide a value-add for Xbox owners, and trying to create perception that windows store isn't a trashdump of low quality apps. It's not working.
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DPI's link is from blogger complaining about UWP.
That is hardly a sign the Microsoft is changing their unification push.
I don't think there any doubt that Microsoft is totally committed to UWP going forward.
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Really? I find their treatment of their fans to be absolutely deplorable.
- Forcing users to re-buy virtual console games on every new system (absolutely moronic)
- Low/no stock for new consoles forces people to buy from scalpers (every console since the SNES for fucks sake)
- Overpriced peripherals ($90 for a plastic stand and HDMI passthrough)
- Poor treatment of 3rd party developers (leads to anemic library of games)
- Bewildering online 'ecosystem' (need a phone for chat)
Honestly, I have a hard time coming up with a company that's less deserving of my support.
I can add a few:
-Complete disregard for fair use laws. There are LOTS of stories of Nintendo illegitimately monetizing videos on Youtube that are done under fair use terms. They frequently abuse their power as a major publisher in this way.
-While you can argue it's within their rights, they also go on the WARPATH for non-commercial fan-made projects. The recent AM2R is one of the best Metroid games I've ever played. Now no doubt some chucklehead will argue they HAVE to in order to protect their trademark. No they don't. They could officially sanction non-commercial fan-made projects as long as there was no money involved and it was using their guidelines. Other companies have done this.
-I can't confirm this one, but I've heard before they've literally taken fan-made emulator code and used it either for their virtual consoles or the new NES. In other words, they stole it. I haven't confirmed that one though, but there are plenty of other reasons to think Nintendo is an awful company that makes good games.
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Break out the PS4 and play Horizon! Seriously the best game out right now!
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The article's author makes the point that MS leaving the console business would be bad for games and for gamers. I wholeheartedly disagree. MS has been a CANCER on the industry, has WRECKED once vibrant and productive studios, and has shit on their customers for FAR too long. The industry was successful and vibrant before the original Xbox hit the market and will continue to thrive when the Xbox Scorpio is labeled dead on arrival.
With respect, #1 reason Xbox is flopping today is because the system struggles to reach 900p/30 while its competition didn't struggle to reach 1080p/30. That's the reason it is where it is, no other spin is required. You can probably toss in "And the U.I. sucked and still does today".....I use my PS4 because its snappy, the Xbox is always 2 seconds slower than I need it to be in everything it does. If you own both, you know the PS4 is just far more responsive, switch between netflix and your game in the blink of an eye......that kind of look and feel. Plus, the Sony just looked better too, it looked like this fancy, solidly-engineered bit of evil gaming kit. The Xbox One looks like a bad PC case laying on its side that's the size of a VCR.
This is a factor. Seeing those Games for Windows games running at 4k or 1080p/60 really made you go "Hmmmm....ok "....and that is where Scorpio is going to come in, I guess.
Um....Forza Horizon 2, Forza Horizon 3. Forza 6. The latter is arguably the best arcade-sim racing experience on any home console this entire generation, the gap on the Sony platform is *palpable* if you dig racers.
I'm actually under the honest impression that the Forza games are what is allowing Microsoft to sell so many systems....there is no game on the PS4 platform so far I'd buy a wheel for, and the last entries in the GT series on PS3 felt stale beyond words.........
Sony released an incredible system....Microsoft phoned this gen in. And paid dearly.
The Xbox one will be $149.99 by late summer I'm guessing as people prep for Scorpio.....but it's hardly a failure, they sold a bunch of them and the live numbers are still strong. Scorpio will have good 'guts', but it's going to also probably have a *really* good Scaler, since we know what it takes to drive 4k/60 at AAA-game visual levels......and it's a *lot*.
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Did you bothered in reading the part were I said I left console gaming?
they showed their true intentions and the only reason they backed off was because only the blind fanatics fanbois bought their crap, the rest bailed to sony and pc.
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what you mean is the gaming industry has been and always will be cutthroat. Each company involved has had some part to play that has done a disservice to us customers. No company puts us first, it is all about business. Competition is about the only thing we can hope for to making anything better but who knows....