More Than 50% of Steam Users Are Now Running Windows 10

Then there's those people still hanging onto Windows XP swearing they will never let go calling it their precious.
 
DeathFromBelow said:
Gaming on Linux is great nowadays, but I doubt a lot of people actually know that yet.

I spend a huge amount of time playing Age of Empires II HD on Linux Mint
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I've been messing with Linux gaming recently. It's better than it was but it still sucks. About 50% of my steam library is Linux native while 0% of my GOG, Origin, Uplay libraries are playable even with WINE. It took hours and 4 or 5 installation walkthroughs to get League of Legends running and it runs at about 1/3 the speed of in Windows; and even though that's still 140ish FPS it's still not exactly smooth. Currently Linux gaming is passable at best.
 
M76 said:
No, the broad generalization is what you're doing saying that everyone adopted because it's so great.
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I never said this. In the context of PC gaming I have said that Windows 10 is best the way to go if one wants to have the best compatibility in gaming going forward as it doesn't matter if the game is DX 9, 10, 11, 12, OGL, Vulkan, VR, AR, etc. Every game I played on 7 that I've tried on 10 has worked and pretty much any future game is going to with 10 as will any new hardware. For people looking to maximize their ability to game on their PC and who spend a lot of money and time gaming, Windows 10 is a common sense choice.

M76 said:
You're getting shafted whether you like it or not, but now at least we give you time to prepare mentally for it.
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Ok, let's say you're right, I'm getting shafted. Whatever desktop OS I use be it a prior version of Windows, Linux, macOS, is going to have some issue supporting all the things I currently do. And there are plenty of good tools to get control over this stuff and it's not like it's a hours long process, if you actually take the time to know what's there instead of going ballistic.

M76 said:
We'll see what settings get changed and what app comes back from the dead.
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There's nothing mystical about this though. The settings, well if one bothers to read the setup installation pages, it's pretty clear that the settings are getting defaulted after a major build upgrade. And there is a registry setting that stops the included apps from reinstalling. People should take a moment and look at a tool like Winareo Tweaker. It's a simple tool and it explains every thing is does.
 
heatlesssun said:
I never said this.
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Right you only implied. That doesn't make it any better. And you continue to imply that every gamer is on W10 because it's the best choice. When here we are telling you that we're on W10 but for all the wrong reasons.
Ok, let's say you're right, I'm getting shafted. Whatever desktop OS I use be it a prior version of Windows, Linux, macOS, is going to have some issue supporting all the things I currently do. And there are plenty of good tools to get control over this stuff and it's not like it's a hours long process, if you actually take the time to know what's there instead of going ballistic.
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Not you, because you actually like it, or don't care or both. But yet somehow you never explain what is this mysterious thing you do that is only possible on Windows 10.
There's nothing mystical about this though. The settings, well if one bothers to read the setup installation pages, it's pretty clear that the settings are getting defaulted after a major build upgrade. And there is a registry setting that stops the included apps from reinstalling. People should take a moment and look at a tool like Winareo Tweaker. It's a simple tool and it explains every thing is does.
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And that makes it all good somehow? Just because they write it in the description of the forced update that your settings are reverted doesn't make it acceptable in any form or shape. The OS is the foundation of how I can use my computer. Their meddling in it's functionality while it's installed on my pc is unacceptable.
 
M76 said:
Right you only implied. That doesn't make it any better. And you continue to imply that every gamer is on W10 because it's the best choice. When here we are telling you that we're on W10 but for all the wrong reasons.
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I never implied anything. I said in very specific terms why I CHOOSE to use Windows 10. For gamers with new hardware and wanting to play any of the latest and greatest games, yes 10 is logical choice. Not gaming related but along entertainment concerns, Netflix just updated it's Windows 10 UWA to allow offline viewing which is the first on a desktop OS. So a feature here, an app here a DX 12 there and it starts to accumulate. Windows 10 is simply going to get new stuff and support that'll never come to prior versions of Windows.

M76 said:
Not you, because you actually like it, or don't care or both. But yet somehow you never explain what is this mysterious thing you do that is only possible on Windows 10.
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I've mentioned a number of things supported only in 10 just like the Netflix UWA update that just rolled out an hour ago. Often though Windows 10 critics will just disregard or flat out misrepresent things, like Windows Hello which is pretty damned impressive.

M76 said:
And that makes it all good somehow? Just because they write it in the description of the forced update that your settings are reverted doesn't make it acceptable in any form or shape. The OS is the foundation of how I can use my computer. Their meddling in it's functionality while it's installed on my pc is unacceptable.
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The settings can change between major builds so they can't all carry across. I'm not saying it's ideal but there's nothing mysterious going on either.
 
heatlesssun said:
The settings can change between major builds so they can't all carry across. I'm not saying it's ideal but there's nothing mysterious going on either.
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It's not mysterious it's just plain wrong. Who said it was mysterious?

As for windows hello I never heard about it. But it seems to be some sort of face recognition / fingerprint sign in system for windows. I'd hardly call that revolutionary or irreplaceable.

And netflix? I have some principled objections to that as well. But sure. I don't think everyone who has windows 10 has it because they need this app released an hour ago.

I don't even know what are you trying to prove anymore.

You're just dismissing everything wrong with windows 10 with a sleight of hand.

Now I understand that to you a fingerprint reader app and a netflix app outweighs all the concerns I raised. But that's hardly enough to conviince me about windows10's superiority, or reason for being.
 
M76 said:
It's not mysterious it's just plain wrong. Who said it was mysterious?
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I've seen some say "All my settings changed and I didn't know anything about it." when it's pretty clear during the setup that there's a ton of options that are at defaults that one may have changed. Again, I'm not saying that it isn't a problem but yeah, it's showing on initial startup what's going on. People will go on and on about how Microsoft tricks people when at lot of the problem is people not RTFM.

M76 said:
As for windows hello I never heard about it. But it seems to be some sort of face recognition / fingerprint sign in system for windows. I'd hardly call that revolutionary or irreplaceable.
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Ok. I've never seen facial recognition work this well before and it's a pretty popular feature in 10. I never said anything about revolutionary. As for irreplaceable, well I've not seen this level of facial recognition elsewhere.

M76 said:
Now I understand that to you a fingerprint reader app and a netflix app outweighs all the concerns I raised. But that's hardly enough to conviince me about windows10's superiority, or reason for being.
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For what I use PCs for, Windows 10 was nearly 100% backwards compatible with everything I use except Windows Media Center which I wasn't as much because things like Netflix and going forward it will be 100% compatible with whatever games or other software or hardware that come out. DX level doesn't matter. Vulkan, OGL, it's going to work with Windows 10. And for the amount of money I have in my hardware and software especially in the area of gaming, I expect nothing less than the ability to run 100% of all PC gaming titles very well for at least the next 12-18 months.
 
Bankie said:
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I've been messing with Linux gaming recently. It's better than it was but it still sucks. About 50% of my steam library is Linux native while 0% of my GOG, Origin, Uplay libraries are playable even with WINE. It took hours and 4 or 5 installation walkthroughs to get League of Legends running and it runs at about 1/3 the speed of in Windows; and even though that's still 140ish FPS it's still not exactly smooth. Currently Linux gaming is passable at best.
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Valve games run just as good as they do in Windows. Shadow Warrior, too. There shouldn't be a significant difference with properly done ports and you know it.
 
dgz said:
Valve games run just as good as they do in Windows. Shadow Warrior, too. There shouldn't be a significant difference with properly done ports and you know it.
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Source 2 games run well on a calculator these days. But sure, games performance isn't a technical issue with Linux, that's a market share problem.
 
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Source 2 games run well on a calculator these days. But sure, games performance isn't a technical issue with Linux, that's a market share problem.
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Indeed. Point is, if a relatively small Polish studio such as Flying Hog was able to do it, so could the big boys. It's very much a market share problem, not a technical one.
 
dgz said:
Valve games run just as good as they do in Windows. Shadow Warrior, too. There shouldn't be a significant difference with properly done ports and you know it.
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Valve doesn't make games anymore and no one wants to mess with "properly done ports". The makers of League of Legends, the most played game on the planet, just updated the client and decided against doing a Linux port. 99% of AAA studios have no plans for Linux ports. It's the realm of indie games and roughly "emulated" DX9/10 games. It doesn't matter if it's market share or technical; the fact is still that gaming on Linux is pretty damn bad.
 
Bankie said:
Valve doesn't make games anymore and no one wants to mess with "properly done ports". The makers of League of Legends, the most played game on the planet, just updated the client and decided against doing a Linux port. 99% of AAA studios have no plans for Linux ports. It's the realm of indie games and roughly "emulated" DX9/10 games. It doesn't matter if it's market share or technical; the fact is still that gaming on Linux is pretty damn bad.
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What a crock of shit.
 
dgz said:
What a crock of shit.
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It's just that there's just not enough games that come to Linux and while there are some popular ones on Steam there's huge gaps, no EA games, no VR currently and who knows where that'll go on Linux. So gaming on Linux is fine IF you're fine with playing whatever is available or messing with Wine when it works. But natively that it's a small subset, even with new games and Wine is a crapshoot.
 
dgz said:
What a crock of shit.
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What is?

RIOT has stated many times that there are no plans for a Linux port.

If a game is DX11/12 it's basically unplayable on Linux at this time. That means no The Division, R6:Siege, Battlefield 1, Battlefront, Mass Effect, Overwatch, Skyrim Special Edition, Fallout 4, Elder Scrolls Online, and on and on. If it's not 4+ years old, an indie game, or an Id game you're boned as a gamer on Linux.
 
I thought everybody had to switch anyway since Windows 10 is dx12 only? There so many dx12 games it was a no-brainer.
I actually haven't tried any games on Linux.
 
Hagrid said:
I thought everybody had to switch anyway since Windows 10 is dx12 only? There so many dx12 games it was a no-brainer.
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So do you have a list of every PC game coming out over the next few years and the system requirements for games? Doesn't matter with Windows 10 at least for the OS requirement because pretty much any game will be compatible with it be it DX 9,10,11,12, Vulkan, VR or AR.
 
M76 said:
Ah, playing the selfish card, and the everyone else is stupid card at the same time. People nowadays have absolutely no shame.
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Oh dear god. The Linux guys on this forum ooze this attitude all the time. Every time a LinuxVSWindows thread crops up and people complain about their issues with Linux they always get the same response "it doesn't do that for me".

Every. Single. Time.

Read the Linux forum. It's mind blowing how often I am simply told I am doing something wrong because the resident tech hasn't had my issue.
 
heatlesssun said:
So do you have a list of every PC game coming out over the next few years and the system requirements for games? Doesn't matter with Windows 10 at least for the OS requirement because pretty much any game will be compatible with it be it DX 9,10,11,12, Vulkan, VR or AR.
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Your defensive comments come across with a certain amount of resentment that Windows 10 is doing so badly and uptake has stalled, as many users are staying on 7 or 8.1 and avoiding the slow, creeping erosion of control and user privacy with every forced update to 10. The spyware/telemetry is totally unacceptable to many users as is the poor design of the GUI, as well as many other issues.

Anyhoo, here's a list of every upcoming PC title that will actually require tolerating Windows 10's and its many downsides: Forza Motorsport 7 - Windows Store 10 F2P Lite Edition.

Everything else will run just fine on Windows 7, 8, 8.1 and 10. Developers are sticking with DX11, and the smarter ones are planning new pipelines around Vulkan.

Fun fact: Steam on Linux will will gain more AAA titles "over the next few years" than Windows Store 10 will add DX12-only titles.
 
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DPI said:
Your defensive comments come across with a certain amount of resentment that Windows 10 is doing so badly relative to expectations, and that so many people are avoiding it outright due to the slow, creeping erosion of control, choice and user privacy with every forced update.
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Windows 10 64 bit is #1 PC gaming OS according to these numbers with half the market so huh? and buy far the single most widely used PC gaming

DPI said:
The spyware/telemetry is totally unacceptable to many users as is the poor design of the GUI, as well as many other issues.
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And I've researched these issues and been running Windows 10 for going on two years. Considering that I use Windows 10 for both play and work, and by work we're moving to in our enterprise, if it had major problems that prevented me from doing what I need and want to do, I wouldn't be using it, it's that simple.

DPI said:
Anyhoo, here's a list of every PC title that will actually require the Windows 10 headache: Forza Motorsport 7: Windows Store F2P Lite Edition.
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Strange because I have Gears of War 4 and Forza Horizon 3 as well.

DPI said:
Everything else will run just fine on Windows 7, 8, 8.1 and 10. Developers are sticking with DX11, and the smarter ones are planning new pipelines around Vulkan.

Fun fact: Steam on Linux will will add more AAA titles "over the next few years" than Windows Store 10 will add DX12-only titles.
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That's right, this OS that you say has so many problems is pretty much going to be 100% compatible with all games coming out, regardless of the DPI and needed hardware support. And really I don't get why some get all preachy about it. Just look in the forums here where people are running the latest and greatest for gaming. The 1080 Ti threads, the overwhelming percentage of folks there are on Windows 10, for exactly the reason I'm pointing out. Assured future compatibility with virtually all PC games no matter the API or the Store or the hardware over the coming years beyond when Windows 7 losses extended support. And Windows 8.x, well the market share promises it a shorter future than 10. When people spend a lot of money on this stuff, there's no reason to preach when people are simply looking to get the most use from their hard earned money.
 
I dislike the direction Win 10 has taken and how heavy handed MS has been with it. As such I will hold on to Win 7 as long as possible if that remains true. That stated, this doesn't surprise me that it is steadily increasing in market share. I mean looking at the long term picture it is inevitable, especially in a gaming platform. There will come a point where if you want to play the latest game you have zero choice. While I think that is shitty, I don't disillusion myself into nonsensical thinking that somehow Win 7 or Linux have a snowballs chance in hell of holding on long term.
 
DPI said:
Your defensive comments come across with a certain amount of resentment that Windows 10 is doing so badly and uptake has stalled, as many users are staying on 7 or 8.1 and avoiding the slow, creeping erosion of control and user privacy with every forced update to 10. The spyware/telemetry is totally unacceptable to many users as is the poor design of the GUI, as well as many other issues.

Anyhoo, here's a list of every upcoming PC title that will actually require tolerating Windows 10's and its many downsides: Forza Motorsport 7 - Windows Store 10 F2P Lite Edition.

Everything else will run just fine on Windows 7, 8, 8.1 and 10. Developers are sticking with DX11, and the smarter ones are planning new pipelines around Vulkan.

Fun fact: Steam on Linux will will gain more AAA titles "over the next few years" than Windows Store 10 will add DX12-only titles.
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that Windows 10 is doing so badly and uptake has stalled
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Sorry but what are you basing this on? In less than 2 years win10 has >50% of Steam OS usage. That is rather impressive.
 
JustReason said:
Sorry but what are you basing this on? In less than 2 years win10 has >50% of Steam OS usage. That is rather impressive.
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It is actually impressive that Microsoft hasn't yet eaten a class action for the way they tricked many users into upgrading. And its impressive that they created the perception that DX12 would be the next big thing and gamers would not want to miss out. Eager gamers ate it up, and blind-upgraded before any games even materialized.

The stats are out there. Steam, Netmarketshare, Statcounter, take your pick. Fact remains, Windows 10 has been stagnant in 2017. No growth on Steam (January 1 = 50%, April 1 = 50%), no growth globally on Netmarketshare (January 1 = 25%, April 1 = 25%). It's strugglng against a 9 year old OS, that has so far gained users every month in 2017.

Despite being the only choice when buying a new PC, Windows 10 is stalled. That's failure, because Windows overall is in decline and so MS is managing the decline poorly - they're losing time as long as they keep their heels dug in on the user-hostile stuff. As people replace PC's there should be a steady rise in the numbers, which isn't happening, because that many more people are abandoning 10, or choosing 7 or 8.1.
 
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It is actually impressive that Microsoft hasn't yet eaten a lawsuit for the way they tricked many users into Windows 10 showing up one morning on their PC's. And its impressive that Microsoft created the perception that DX12 would be the next big thing and gamers would not want to miss out. Gamers obviously bought into that and blind-upgraded before any games even materialized.

The stats are out there. Steam, Netmarketshare, Statcounter, take your pick. Fact remains, Windows 10 has been stagnant in 2017. No growth on Steam (January 1 = 50%, April 1 = 50%), no growth globally on Netmarketshare (January 1 = 25%, April 1 = 25%). It's strugglng against a 9 year old OS, that has so far gained users every month in 2017.

Despite being the only choice when buying a new PC, Windows 10 is stalled. That's failure, because Windows overall is in decline and so MS is managing the decline poorly - they're losing time as long as they keep their heels dug in on the user-hostile stuff. As people replace PC's there should be a steady rise in the numbers, which isn't happening, because that many more people are abandoning 10, or choosing 7 or 8.1.
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I also consider the percentage of people putting 3rd party software to make the OS like Win 7 as a rollback. Also how many games are Win 10 only?

I bet you would have 25% or less of people who actually like Win 10. Since Linux hasn't got that far yet, it's not like Win 10 is doing good, because there is no choice really!
 
DPI said:
It is actually impressive that Microsoft hasn't yet eaten a lawsuit for the way they tricked many users into waking up one morning with Windows 10 and a wiped desktop. And its impressive that Microsoft marketing created the perception that DX12 would be the next big thing and gamers would not want to miss out. Eager gamers ate it up, and blind-upgraded before any games even materialized.

The stats are out there. Steam, Netmarketshare, Statcounter, take your pick. Fact remains, Windows 10 has been stagnant in 2017. No growth on Steam (January 1 = 50%, April 1 = 50%), no growth globally on Netmarketshare (January 1 = 25%, April 1 = 25%). It's strugglng against a 9 year old OS, that has so far gained users every month in 2017.

Despite being the only choice when buying a new PC, Windows 10 is stalled. That's failure, because Windows overall is in decline and so MS is managing the decline poorly - they're losing time as long as they keep their heels dug in on the user-hostile stuff. As people replace PC's there should be a steady rise in the numbers, which isn't happening, because that many more people are abandoning 10, or choosing 7 or 8.1.
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Not saying it hasn't happened but not one of the huge number of people I know with Win10 has had a "forced" update. You are taking too many liberties with the facts and doing your best to paint them in a negative way. The fact that Win10 is only 2 years out and at 50/25% is impressive. Hell the majority of the market is business related and that will take years to convert, a great deal just left XP recently. And the Win7 uptick is likely still from clearance sales, mostly laptops resulting from Intel flooding the market a few years ago. Not sure why so much hatred towards Win10, well I get you not liking it but not getting your need to trumpet your hate so loudly when all you need to do is say your point then move on.
 
Hagrid said:
I also consider the percentage of people putting 3rd party software to make the OS like Win 7 as a rollback. Also how many games are Win 10 only?

I bet you would have 25% or less of people who actually like Win 10. Since Linux hasn't got that far yet, it's not like Win 10 is doing good, because there is no choice really!
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Ofcourse. The millions of downloads of start menu replacements for Windows 8/8.1, and now the millions of downloads of Telemetry Blockers/Privacy Tools in 10 - along with hacks and tweaks to kill Cortana and uninstall the default apps - are all abject rejection of the mobile oriented post-7 initiatives they've attempted.

None of which is surprising, since the tile UI, apps and store were designed for devices they aren't selling. They certainly add no value to the desktop experience.

And I'm not sure how Steam users running on 10 directly benefits MS anyway. By definition they're buying their games on Steam - and generally prefer them all there - not buying them or anything else in Windows Store 10.

The silly part is Microsoft could fix the two biggest showstoppers of increased adoption instantly with a few policy concessions (Off switches) for privacy, search and updates. But as usual they'll wait until it's too late and then just rebrand again.
 
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Sometimes it like people who are tech experts seem to forget history. In the last 18 months I've spent a lot of money on PC hardware, as much I've ever spent in my life. I was NEVER going to put Windows 7 or 8.1 on a Surface Book. I was NEVER going to Windows 7 or 8.1 on my sig rig which was built in mind to play any damned game or use any kind of hardware I wanted like a VR HMD or a Windows Hello capable camera. And if you at the history of Windows, that's kind of how it's always worked, especially in a situation where the dominate version of Windows, 7 in this case, is getting flat out old.

I'm treating Windows 10 no different than I've treated any prior version. Hardware that came with Windows I might have moved from Home or Basic to Pro but I never switched versions. And that's kind of because the devices I buy. I bought Windows 7 tablets, I wasn't going to put XP on them. When I've put together a desktop with late great hardware, I've ALWAYS put the current version of Windows on it, even Vista which now a lot of Windows 10 critics seem to think was great. Windows 10 has been a HELL of lot better for gaming than Vista, but that was 10 years ago and hardware is a hell of lot better now.

For me it's just a no brainer. Whatever issues others are having I hear you. Do you think I'd run an OS that's going to screw up thousands of dollars of hardware? Fuck no. I see plenty of higher-end hardware gaming folks, they are mostly on 10 now. All of the high-end gaming hardware reviews, all on 10. Even work, I'm supposed to be getting 10 by year end. And if we're rolling out 10, yeah, it's coming to the enterprise.

So like Dekoth-E was kind of saying, there's a certain inevitability to it in this situation. Unless people start moving in MASSIVE numbers from Windows 7 to macOS or Linux. And all that is trading one set of issues for another set. Like software support.
 
Well, I just opened Steam on my Windows 10 Pro install. Wouldn't you know it, everything I have in there, and I do mean everything, runs in Windows 10. :) Even better, the DX 12 version of ROTTR works smoother than the DX 11 version. (y)
 
ManofGod said:
Well, I just opened Steam on my Windows 10 Pro install. Wouldn't you know it, everything I have in there, and I do mean everything, runs in Windows 10. :) Even better, the DX 12 version of ROTTR works smoother than the DX 11 version. (y)
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Tell us about it! I bet that 1fps makes all the difference!
If they made DX12 for the other OS's, I bet they would run everything too, even DX12 stuff!
 
Hagrid said:
Tell us about it! I bet that 1fps makes all the difference!
If they made DX12 for the other OS's, I bet they would run everything too, even DX12 stuff!
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Nope, I literally ran the game and it hiccuped all over using DX 11 well in DX 12, it only hiccuped in one place, jut momentarily but no where else. There, I told you about it. :)

Edit: Good thing is, everything I have runs in Windows 10, except the disk version of Star Wars: Lego 1 but, then again, it did not run in Windows 7 either.
 
Hagrid said:
Tell us about it! I bet that 1fps makes all the difference!
If they made DX12 for the other OS's, I bet they would run everything too, even DX12 stuff!
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LOL! DX 12 mGPU scaling in ROTR is off the charts. Run on my sig with the 1080 Tis oc'ed at +125/+400, both max settings, motion blur off, FXAA anti-aliasing @ 3840x2160

DX 11:

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Look, people can say what they want but when you put thousands of dollars into a rig to be able to play any new game especially with something like multiple GPUs, yeah, you're going to want anything and everything to make games run faster. DX 12 and Vulkan are both in the same boat at this point. It's going to time take developers to leverage them well, Vulkan just got mGPU support and there's nothing using right now that I know of. And so what? Be it DX 12 or Vulkan or whatever Windows 10 will support it. Period.

What's so hard to understand that people who spend a lot of money to play games want support for EVERYTHING NEW. I never have paired an old ass or obsolete version of Windows with brand new hardware. Never. And whatever the problems are with 10 are, gaming ISN'T ONE OF THEM.
 
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LOL! DX 12 mGPU scaling in ROTR is of the charts. Run on my sig with the 1080 Tis oc'ed at +125/+400, both max settings, motion blur off, FXAA anti-aliasing @ 3840x2160

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Look, people can say what they want but when you put thousands of dollars into a rig to be able to play any new game especially with something like multiple GPUs, yeah, you're going to want anything and everything to make games run faster. DX 12 and Vulkan are both in the same boat at this point. It's going to time take developers to leverage them well, Vulkan just got mGPU support and there's nothing using right now that I know of. And so what? Be it DX 12 or Vulkan or whatever Windows 10 will support it. Period.

What's so hard to understand that people who spend a lot of money to play games want support for EVERYTHING NEW. I never have paired an old ass or obsolete version of Windows with brand new hardware. Never. And whatever the problems are with 10 are, gaming ISN'T ONE OF THEM.
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Weird, I have paired my 8 core Intel cpu and 980ti with an old OS known as Win 7, and still played everything.(unless Win 10 only, paid for by MS...)

The old OS has problems, but gaming isn't one of them!
 
Dekoth-E- said:
I dislike the direction Win 10 has taken and how heavy handed MS has been with it. As such I will hold on to Win 7 as long as possible if that remains true. That stated, this doesn't surprise me that it is steadily increasing in market share. I mean looking at the long term picture it is inevitable, especially in a gaming platform. There will come a point where if you want to play the latest game you have zero choice. While I think that is shitty, I don't disillusion myself into nonsensical thinking that somehow Win 7 or Linux have a snowballs chance in hell of holding on long term.
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It does suck, but I've seen business software that does far shittier stuff...like essentially say upgrade or support ends (and you don't get 10 or 11 years either).
 
Hagrid said:
Weird, I have paired my 8 core Intel cpu and 980ti with an old OS known as Win 7, and still played everything.(unless Win 10 only, paid for by MS...)

The old OS has problems, but gaming isn't one of them!
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LOL! And Windows 7 will run ROTR but it can't scale in DX 12 mGPU like 10. And conspiracy theories aren't helping to utilize my hardware. ;) Seriously though, the whole point of people buying multiple GPUs is to be able to take advantage of them where possible. Windows 10 is going to do that better than Windows 7 going forward. There's going to be more games that support DX 12 mGPU and do it well as well as DX 12 only games, it's not a matter of if but when. I get people hate 10 but there is reality to deal with. People buying the latest and greatest want to take all the advantage of it they can. It's not about Windows 10, it's about the hardware and software. That's the way it's always been with Windows. For all of the bitching about Windows 10, going to the latest version for the latest support is as it's always been.
 
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LOL! And Windows 7 will run ROTR but it can't scale in DX 12 mGPU like 10. And conspiracy theories aren't helping to utilize my hardware. ;) Seriously though, the whole point of people buying multiple GPUs is to be able to take advantage of them where possible. Windows 10 is going to do that better than Windows 7 going forward. There's going to be more games that support DX 12 mGPU and do it well as well as DX 12 only games, it's not a matter of if but when. I get people hate 10 but there is reality to deal with. People buying the latest and greatest want to take all the advantage of it they can. It's not about Windows 10, it's about the hardware and software. That's the way it's always been with Windows. For all of the bitching about Windows 10, going to the latest version for the latest support is as it's always been.
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Multiple GPU's? AFAIK, they are dropping that to 2 now. I did not know you could not run multiple GPU's on Win 7. My bad!
 
i should start a thread exclaiming that 33 percent of steam users are still on gpus circa 2009.

:ROFLMAO:
 
Hagrid said:
Multiple GPU's? AFAIK, they are dropping that to 2 now. I did not know you could not run multiple GPU's on Win 7. My bad!
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DX 12 mGPU isn't tied to nVidia's SLI support, neither is Vulkan mGPU, and 2 is a multiple of 1. Windows XP supported multiple GPUs but no one is using it modern gaming anymore. You really should have this conversation with all the reviewers and all of the folks using new hardware for gaming and running Windows 10 and tell them how wonderful 7 is. Maybe they'll just drop using 10 and go back to 7. Maybe even XP. Or even DOS, but I don't think SLI or mGPU worked so well then.
 
So half of Steam users use Win10, huh? I wonder what the actual percentage of computer users are that still run Windows 7 that are NOT on Steam. I do not use Steam as there are only 1 or 2 games that I care to play and I can play them on Linux Mint (natively) or Windows 7 just fine. I could give less than two rat farts about DX12 as I do not care about any of the new games out. When I get tired of my current games then I will probably go outside and get some sunshine and fresh air for a change. :)
 
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