NCASE M1: a crowdfunded Mini-ITX case (updates in first post)

galletabah said:
I quote my message.
This is with ap15 fans


I quote my message.
And now, while playing with the stock acceleros fans, I have this temps:
54-56 max peak in bf1 4k 1300 rpm.
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1cm aprox
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Huh. I had no idea stock Accelero fans managed to fit in the NCASE. Why haven't you tried setting your GTs as exhausts in place of the stock fans against the accelero? What temps do you get then? Might be quieter and lower the temps even more.

Also is that an EVGA backplate? Does it not interfere with the accelero mounting? That's what I remembered hearing before.
 
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Tephnos said:
Huh. I had no idea stock Accelero fans managed to fit in the NCASE. Why haven't you tried setting your GTs as exhausts in place of the stock fans against the accelero? What temps do you get then? Might be quieter and lower the temps even more.

Also is that an EVGA backplate? Does it not interfere with the accelero mounting? That's what I remembered hearing before.
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I dont try it, sooo... i don't know how perform, sorry. I like the dual bot fans but the stock fans are veeeeery quiet, more than the ap15 at the same temps

And nop, the evga backplate dont block the mount plate, and its more cool xDDD
 
Rhialto said:
I don't have the NCASE yet but I'm thinking about how to setup it for a few weeks already so what I will say is only my own logic speaking.

Fans on U9S push air where? They way I see how you installed the heatsink is that you try to take air from above? Because Noctua's instructions show air should enter on side with more pipes. And since there is a gap there, not sure it's really effective, air will come from less restriction area so not really from outside of the case, unless you duct it. And if you did it the other way around, suck air from middle and try to exhaust at the top, when the video card will be there it will suck some heat and again when trying to exhaust on top the fact there is no duct some air will stay in the case.

I know my plan are to go horizontally when I will build with my first idea to exhaust on back where the grill have bigger holes.

Air circulation is a complex science, you're almost sure to deal with turbulence unless you duct intake/exhaust so the path is well defined and known.
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No the air is pushed above, so the air is taken from below. I used this setup as it was used and recommended by many other NCASE users who reported good temps on their CPUs. Way better than what I got just now, for some reason...

I'll try horizontal next and see how it does then. The other reason for me doing vertical was so I could possibly add another fan on the side (to the right of the heatsink), that I maybe could use to push out hot air produced from the GPU -- as I'm not planning to use a reference card (seeing how loud they are).
 
La_Menthe said:
No the air is pushed above, so the air is taken from below.
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I don't know if it can make a 1-2 degrees difference or what but from instructions the heatsink is wrong side. The push fan must be on the side with more pipes. Do a quick test, just switch the fans orientation so air comes from top.
I'm not planning to use a reference card (seeing how loud they are).
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If the reference card use duct and suck cool air it should work well and you are sure to exhaust all hot air outside of the case. So cool air plus the fact you can limit fan speed should be good but this I will have to test with a newer card. I actually do this with a 660Ti in a similar box and it's ok so I was planning to do the same with a 1080Ti when I will get the NCASE plus I will add duct so only cool air from outside will flow in intake.
 
Just a Info so that not that some makes that same mistake that I just did

Noctua NH-C14S + ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. Z170I PRO GAMING (LGA1151) = no more Space for your Graphicscard
 

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La_Menthe said:
No the air is pushed above, so the air is taken from below. I used this setup as it was used and recommended by many other NCASE users who reported good temps on their CPUs. Way better than what I got just now, for some reason...

I'll try horizontal next and see how it does then. The other reason for me doing vertical was so I could possibly add another fan on the side (to the right of the heatsink), that I maybe could use to push out hot air produced from the GPU -- as I'm not planning to use a reference card (seeing how loud they are).
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I think the key point in Rhialto's post that you might have missed was that you were exhausting air out the top which, based on how you have the heatsink mounted, is the wrong side according to Noctua's instructions. You should rotate the heatsink 180 degrees so that the most heatpipes are at the bottom where you have chosen to have the air intake into the heatsink. So keep your fans blowing in the direction you have them now, but rotate the heatsink 180 degrees.
 
Hi,
I have a brand new NCASE M1 and I want to buy an i7-7700k with an Asus Z270i but, I want to know which AIO will be good or Air cooler will be good to keep my CPU cool.

The Corsair H75 could fit using the two fans in push-pull configuration?.
I'm new with this case, what do you recommend me?.

I will use the HDD cage because I have 2x HDD. So, I can only use one of the two 120mm spaces.
Air Cooler or an AIO 120mm.

Advice?

H75?
H60?
Air Cooler?
 
I decided to upgrade my 2500K to 2600K instead of getting Ryzen next quarter. Bought 2600K for $115 used and can likely sell my 2500K for $80. I should be fine for another year and by that time hopefully things get a little more settled. Ryzen still needs a lot of polishing.
 
lordfiSh said:
Just a Info so that not that some makes that same mistake that I just did

Noctua NH-C14S + ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. Z170I PRO GAMING (LGA1151) = no more Space for your Graphicscard
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Take the heatsink and board out. Remote the heatsink, bend heatpipes lightly while fitting to desired result. Had to bend my NH-L12 pipes to accommodate my motherboards sinks.
 
RodoGodo19 said:
Hi,
I have a brand new NCASE M1 and I want to buy an i7-7700k with an Asus Z270i but, I want to know which AIO will be good or Air cooler will be good to keep my CPU cool.

The Corsair H75 could fit using the two fans in push-pull configuration?.
I'm new with this case, what do you recommend me?.

I will use the HDD cage because I have 2x HDD. So, I can only use one of the two 120mm spaces.
Air Cooler or an AIO 120mm.

Advice?

H75?
H60?
Air Cooler?
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Delidded with NH-L12 my temps are fantastic at 4.6Ghz (I like to be below 75C during the nasty tests)
 
RodoGodo19 said:
Hi,
I have a brand new NCASE M1 and I want to buy an i7-7700k with an Asus Z270i but, I want to know which AIO will be good or Air cooler will be good to keep my CPU cool.

The Corsair H75 could fit using the two fans in push-pull configuration?.
I'm new with this case, what do you recommend me?.

I will use the HDD cage because I have 2x HDD. So, I can only use one of the two 120mm spaces.
Air Cooler or an AIO 120mm.

Advice?

H75?
H60?
Air Cooler?
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If you want AIO go with the H75 or H55. You probably won't be able to fit both the H75 fans on but the radiator mounting holes are flush with the widest part of the radiator making it easier to mount to the side bracket. (The H60 needs washers to fill in a gap to mount nicely.)
 
Pillars said:
Delidded with NH-L12 my temps are fantastic at 4.6Ghz (I like to be below 75C during the nasty tests)
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Hi,
The NH-L12 seems to be big, it will fit inside of the NCASE M1 using the HDD Cage too?.
is it noisy?.
AIO looks awesome but, I always have fear of water inside of a case.
Do you have photos of your build, I want to be sure that this cooler will fit perfectly using my hdd cage.
 
WlfHart said:
If you want AIO go with the H75 or H55. You probably won't be able to fit both the H75 fans on but the radiator mounting holes are flush with the widest part of the radiator making it easier to mount to the side bracket. (The H60 needs washers to fill in a gap to mount nicely.)
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as another partner said about the NH-L12.

The NH-L12 seems to be big, it will fit inside of the NCASE M1 using the HDD Cage too?.
is it noisy?.
 
lordfiSh said:
Just a Info so that not that some makes that same mistake that I just did

Noctua NH-C14S + ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. Z170I PRO GAMING (LGA1151) = no more Space for your Graphicscard
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I have same mobo and CPU cooler and a GTX 1060. You mounted the cooler in the wrong direction, it needs to face the psu. You need an atx to sfx bracket, to turn the psu 90 degrees to make space.
 
RodoGodo19 said:
Hi,
I have a brand new NCASE M1 and I want to buy an i7-7700k with an Asus Z270i but, I want to know which AIO will be good or Air cooler will be good to keep my CPU cool.

The Corsair H75 could fit using the two fans in push-pull configuration?.
I'm new with this case, what do you recommend me?.

I will use the HDD cage because I have 2x HDD. So, I can only use one of the two 120mm spaces.
Air Cooler or an AIO 120mm.

Advice?

H75?
H60?
Air Cooler?
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The H75 will fit but not with both fans. I have mine with one fan as intake.
 
I wasn't able to change the U9S 180 degrees, as it would be too high on top to fit. But I did change the cooler horizontally, and also removed the exhaust fan (as it has no purpose now). I'm 20 min in the same stress testing and average temp is 70 degrees celsius. So a whopping 15 degrees difference.

Thank you all for the help!

I'm probably gonna experiment with the GPU as well, to see whether the two bottom fans are really necessary or if they make little/no/negative difference. Last time I tried building in the NCASE, it made no difference.
 
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La_Menthe said:
I wasn't able to change the U9S 180 degrees, as it would be too high on top to fit. But I did change the cooler horizontally, and also removed the exhaust fan (as it has no purpose now). I'm 20 min in the same stress testing and average temp is 70 degrees celsius. So a whopping 15 degrees difference.

Thank you all for the help!
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Nice! Glad my reasoning works... can I say this? Rough translation from french here. :) It's great to sit down and think a while at how air flow works and find best options. I enjoy thinking about this until I get all the parts and build.
 
Rhialto said:
I don't know if it can make a 1-2 degrees difference or what but from instructions the heatsink is wrong side. The push fan must be on the side with more pipes. Do a quick test, just switch the fans orientation so air comes from top.

If the reference card use duct and suck cool air it should work well and you are sure to exhaust all hot air outside of the case. So cool air plus the fact you can limit fan speed should be good but this I will have to test with a newer card. I actually do this with a 660Ti in a similar box and it's ok so I was planning to do the same with a 1080Ti when I will get the NCASE plus I will add duct so only cool air from outside will flow in intake.
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In terms of where the air goes, Reference is the best, no doubt. But I'm staying away mainly because of noise. I think people's opinion about GPUs in general is extremely misguided, as I hear terms like "whisper quiet under load" all the time. Even the most quiet GPUs out there, like Strix, TwinFrozr, etc., are pretty loud under load. I always find it strange how people make an effort out of making fan profiles for their Noctua CPU fans to stay at 1000 RPM or less, when even at 1600 RPM, these CPU fans will be completely drowned by the sound of the GPUs they have.

And referance cards are the worst in this regard.
 
La_Menthe said:
But I did change the cooler horizontally, and also removed the exhaust fan (as it has no purpose now).
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Please post a new picture when you have the chance. I guess you have the fan as a push with air being thrown at the rear grill. There is something I plan to try and that I've explained a page or two before so if you have the chance and the time maybe you could test it for me also.

That would be to move the fan to the rear so it pull air into the heatsink and push to the rear grill, probably more efficiency being closer to the grill. And the fact heatsink is open on sides, having fan in pull configuration will suck air thru it from front and sides too unlike when in a push where air may slip on the sides and is not all totally exhausted on the rear. Is that clear how I explain this?
 
La_Menthe said:
Even the most quiet GPUs out there, like Strix, TwinFrozr, etc., are pretty loud under load.
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You bet! I once got a 560Ti TwinFrozr III or IV, I don't remember exactly but it was new and that was the worse experience I ever had. As soon as I started a game it was loud as hell, even when case was open and even with the switch on it set to silent instead of perf. Fortunatly I was able to return it and bought a 660Ti a few months later, blower type this time and never experienced such loud noise unless I push the fan to 100% RPM. I adjusted the curve so it never goes above 45% RPM. I can sometimes hear it a bit when gaming hard but when below 40% it's quiet enough for me.
 
RodoGodo19 said:
Hi,
The NH-L12 seems to be big, it will fit inside of the NCASE M1 using the HDD Cage too?.
is it noisy?.
AIO looks awesome but, I always have fear of water inside of a case.
Do you have photos of your build, I want to be sure that this cooler will fit perfectly using my hdd cage.
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It fits, just Google nh-L12 Ncase m1. It isn't very noisy.
 
Hello,

i just bought the case, and i plan to get a Gainward GTX 1060 Phoenix GS whose dimensions are 248x123mm. http://www.gainward.com.tw/main/vgapro.php?id=988&lang=en

I think it's ok with the 120mm restriction at the PCIe power connectors as the card is just 248mm long. But i'm not sure that's ok at the rear corners.
What do you think ? Have you already built a m1 with this card ?
 
lordfiSh said:
Just a Info so that not that some makes that same mistake that I just did

Noctua NH-C14S + ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. Z170I PRO GAMING (LGA1151) = no more Space for your Graphicscard
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Heatpipes (bends) need to face the backplate/plugs. You'll probably need to use the ATX bracket and an ATX->SFX adapter for your PSU.
 
Pwill said:
Hello,

i just bought the case, and i plan to get a Gainward GTX 1060 Phoenix GS whose dimensions are 248x123mm. http://www.gainward.com.tw/main/vgapro.php?id=988&lang=en

I think it's ok with the 120mm restriction at the PCIe power connectors as the card is just 248mm long. But i'm not sure that's ok at the rear corners.
What do you think ? Have you already built a m1 with this card ?
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17 mm may be enough for the PCI-E power connector and cables. You could cut rounded notches into the top edges of the connectors so that the wires bend earlier and aren't pressed on by the side panel, but I would only do that as a last resort.

Do note that the card is listed as 2.5 slots wide so it will not be possible to have 25 mm thick fans under it. Many build have not found those fans to be of much help, but I thought you should know about that restriction if you install this card.
 
Rhialto said:
Please post a new picture when you have the chance. I guess you have the fan as a push with air being thrown at the rear grill. There is something I plan to try and that I've explained a page or two before so if you have the chance and the time maybe you could test it for me also.

That would be to move the fan to the rear so it pull air into the heatsink and push to the rear grill, probably more efficiency being closer to the grill. And the fact heatsink is open on sides, having fan in pull configuration will suck air thru it from front and sides too unlike when in a push where air may slip on the sides and is not all totally exhausted on the rear. Is that clear how I explain this?
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I'll post full pics tomorrow. I'll recieve the EVGA GTX 1070 SC by then too, so I'll be able to try with the GPU in as well.
 
estrangeiro14 said:
Finished building in my Ncase yesterday and running some test (BF1 with competitive mind set :p).
I will just leave the imgur album link, I've already wrote a detailed post in portuguese and don't have time to translate all that to here. However, every imagem in the album has some kind of description (some more helpful than others).
In the end, I'm really happy on how this build ended up and it will only get better with custom cables.
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Update on my build - finally got the custom cables :D
Same album, the new photos are almost at the end. Overall, good custom cables (ones you get with the right measurements) help a lot in this case.
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estrangeiro14 said:
Update on my build - finally got the custom cables :D
Same album, the new photos are almost at the end. Overall, good custom cables (ones you get with the right measurements) help a lot in this case.
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The custom cables look great. I really like the way the SATA cable branches into 3 straight connectors.

I hadn't realized that the internal AC power cable that comes with newer revisions has that much strain relief material. In the following picture you can see that the power cable (either from a Rev.1 or 4 case) doesn't have that material and I don't remember cutting it away. This case has an optical drive so I bent the AC cable in the opposite direction that you did so that it did not press into the optical drive through the slot that exists in the front panel. This is a tight fit and requires loosening or detaching the power supply from its mounting bracket first, due to the thin lip at the top edge of the case frame.

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galletabah said:
I dont try it, sooo... i don't know how perform, sorry. I like the dual bot fans but the stock fans are veeeeery quiet, more than the ap15 at the same temps

And nop, the evga backplate dont block the mount plate, and its more cool xDDD
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You should try switching the GT's out for some NF-F12s then. I'm sure if the stock Accelero was somehow better then we'd all be defaulting to that instead of wasting money on extra fans. It has long been a consensus that the double fan exhausting was the single best air cooling method in this case... so I'm really curious now.
 
Qrash said:
I really like the way the SATA cable branches into 3 straight connectors.
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This is the best part of this cables :) being able to mount 2 disks right next to each other and not having the cables pushing the disks apart.
I hadn't realized that the internal AC power cable that comes with newer revisions has that much strain relief material.
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Even if it came with less, I would still have to remove it. It really is a tight fit there and having that drive space helps. I guess that's why I can remove the internal AC cable without needing to loose/detach anything else.
 
Tephnos said:
You should try switching the GT's out for some NF-F12s then. I'm sure if the stock Accelero was somehow better then we'd all be defaulting to that instead of wasting money on extra fans. It has long been a consensus that the double fan exhausting was the single best air cooling method in this case... so I'm really curious now.
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Double fan exhausting ? School me my mentor.
 
So my NCASE M1 v2 has been chugging along with a 980ti (at 1425mhz) and 6700k (at 4.6GHZ) pretty well. But I decided I wanted to do a complete overhaul of the cooling fans to reduce noise. Also, my GPU was getting into the high 80s and throttling a bit.

First I added a Noiseblock NB-Multiframe M!2-2 120mm fan to both the fan spot on the left side of the bracket, and on my Cryorig C1. The fans have rubber screw mounts, and include rubber isolation gaskets. Spinning at 1200 RPM, they're virtually silent. SPCR rated them higher than the newer Noiseblockers.

Next, to fix the video card issue, I added two Scythe Slip Stream slim 120mm fans (model SY1212SL12L) to the floor of the case as intakes. These fans use sleeve bearings and are only 12mm thick. They don't move a lot of air, but are very quiet. I put two anti-vibration gaskets between them and the frame to make sure there would be no case sing. In total, they dropped my GPU 12C under load. I did try the Silverstone FN123 fans instead, but they ended up being too loud even when running at 7V.


So bottom line, anyone that's got the space for it, I recommend putting those bottom fans in under the GPU. Makes a world of difference.
 
Revenant_Knight said:
So my NCASE M1 v2 has been chugging along with a 980ti (at 1425mhz) and 6700k (at 4.6GHZ) pretty well. But I decided I wanted to do a complete overhaul of the cooling fans to reduce noise. Also, my GPU was getting into the high 80s and throttling a bit.

First I added a Noiseblock NB-Multiframe M!2-2 120mm fan to both the fan spot on the left side of the bracket, and on my Cryorig C1. The fans have rubber screw mounts, and include rubber isolation gaskets. Spinning at 1200 RPM, they're virtually silent. SPCR rated them higher than the newer Noiseblockers.

Next, to fix the video card issue, I added two Scythe Slip Stream slim 120mm fans (model SY1212SL12L) to the floor of the case as intakes. These fans use sleeve bearings and are only 12mm thick. They don't move a lot of air, but are very quiet. I put two anti-vibration gaskets between them and the frame to make sure there would be no case sing. In total, they dropped my GPU 12C under load. I did try the Silverstone FN123 fans instead, but they ended up being too loud even when running at 7V.


So bottom line, anyone that's got the space for it, I recommend putting those bottom fans in under the GPU. Makes a world of difference.
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I am using the Noiseblock NB-Multiframe M!2-S3 on my radiator, they are really nice fans. 73 CFM so they also move a lot of air.
 
rfarmer said:
I am using the Noiseblock NB-Multiframe M!2-S3 on my radiator, they are really nice fans. 73 CFM so they also move a lot of air.
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This is my first time trying out Noiseblocker's fans. So far, I'm pretty impressed. My old go-to was the Nexus 120mm, but I really like the anti-vibration mounts of the Noiseblocker. Plus, they move quite a bit more air.
 
Pillars said:
Double fan exhausting ? School me my mentor.
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Some owners with high heat output graphics cards found that the GPU temperatures were most reduced after replacing the stock heatsink with a larger one, such as the Arctic Accelero Xtreme III or IV, by having two bottom fans as exhausts to move the heat out of the case instead of pushing it further up into the case.
 
Interesting. I'm going to have to do some testing on this. My 1070 isn't too toasty but..Still..
 
Revenant_Knight said:
.... I added two Scythe Slip Stream slim 120mm fans (model SY1212SL12L) to the floor of the case as intakes. These fans use sleeve bearings and are only 12mm thick. They don't move a lot of air, but are very quiet. I put two anti-vibration gaskets between them and the frame to make sure there would be no case sing. In total, they dropped my GPU 12C under load. I did try the Silverstone FN123 fans instead, but they ended up being too loud even when running at 7V.....
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Nice to have the direct comparison. Any idea what rpm the FN123 was running at 7V?
 
Pillars said:
Interesting. I'm going to have to do some testing on this. My 1070 isn't too toasty but..Still..
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Unless you already have an appropriate heatsink this could be a somewhat pricy test with not much gain. This strategy was developed for previous generation GPUs that ran very hot. My son's M1 build has a Gigabyte 1070 G1 Gaming and it runs fairly cool and quiet with its stock cooler and no bottom fans.
 
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