Proof Daylight Saving Time Is Dumb, Dangerous, and Costly

We had a safety meeting this morning about the subject. Controlled for work experience, weekends, etc..., the study found there are an average of an additional 3.8 lost-time work accidents resulting in 150 additional days of lost work due to DST.
 
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Some parts of the world do things like that. It isn't so much that they all shift because of daylight, but some I think might. Other areas do it because of temps. You work for a few hours in the morning while it is cool, then everything closes for the afternoon when it warms up and then reopens later at night once the sun starts to set and it starts to cool again. Spain and their siastas were an example of that.

Don't worry, I know all about it. I'm in Germany, where DST makes sense. Tons of sun in the summer, tons of dark in the winter. It only helps a little. Even with the shift, the sun doesn't go away until 11 pm in the summer. 2 more weeks until we make our DST shift.
 
let me start by saying that i am a shift worker with a pretty insane schedule....its a 5 week cycle where i'll start with 2 night shifts, and then do a couple day shifts. back again to nights, back and fourth constantly. they're 12 hour shifts. well more like 12.5 since i have to turn over to incoming shift crew. and then try putting in overtime in on top of that. i'm lucky in the sense that my body handles it better than most. my situation is extreme, but i can say without a doubt that screwing with your internal clock is not a good idea! i like my job and am paid very well, so i take that downside knowing full well that i'm probably taking a couple years off my lifespan.

humans are not built to be doing this kind of thing. it may seem small, but changing your schedule even an hour can cause problems. keep in mind, this is not about losing or gaining an hour of sleep. this is about changing your entire sleep cycle. your body right now thinks its 4pm when actually its 5. some of us don't handle this well even if you think that you're fine.

there are many sources i could link here with evidence that this time change increases risk of heart attacks and road accidents including the article quoted for this entire thread and news post. and for what? a little more daylight? its more dark in the winter, get over it.

maybe because my sleep schedule is a compete mess anyways, i'm more a fan of shifting work schedules around to alleviate traffic congestion. there's really no reason that every office job must be 8-4. in fact i just did a training course for a week that ran 4pm-midnight. i loved the hours. but now i'm just rambling and proving that shift work has made me completely insane ;)

Having worked a number of different shifts so far in my career, I agree that it is the consistency of the schedule that is important. I spent almost two years working 4PM - 1AM then 3PM to Midnight and finally 2PM to 11PM. It was easy to adjust to that schedule, but when I went back to working 7AM to 4PM it was several months before I felt like I had adjusted to "daytime hours" again.

I have been consistently in the 7AM to 5PM range since then. When the time changes in the fall or the spring I definitely feel a little off for a few days while I readjust. Your body gets used to sunrise, sunset, light and dark pretty easily. I don't feel like my body has the same impression of "clock time" that my brain does though and switching things up puts the two out of sync.
 
I don't care which one we're on, honestly, as long as the switching stops. The need for coal conservation and the conserving oil in the street lamps is no longer a thing. There's little need for it anymore. My body hates mornings as it is. Re-training it to get up an hour earlier than it wants to sucks.
 
If I had my choice, then in the U.S, I would put 2 timezones on permanent DST and 2 on permanent standard time, so that the time difference between the east and west coast was 2 hours instead of 4 hours. It would create some awkwardness where some state borders would result in a 2 hour jump in time, but overall should increase productivity in for businesses operating on both coasts and internationally.
 
You know, time zones were/are a construct of the railroads to help them stay on schedule. Before that era clocks were quite rare in the average home.
 
Kill it with fire. It's stupid. You wouldn't think it would be a big deal, but losing an hour of sleep on a Sunday morning (and no one parties on Sat night, ever) hurt more than it should.... Mrs and I couldn't stop yawning all day.

She came up with a great idea. If we can't get rid of it, change it to take effect at 2pm on Monday. That way we lose an hour of WORK not SLEEP.

And some people have mentioned time zones... yeah WTF. Everyone just go by Standard Habitual Industry Time. SHIT is the way to go, people!
 
If I had my choice, then in the U.S, I would put 2 timezones on permanent DST and 2 on permanent standard time, so that the time difference between the east and west coast was 2 hours instead of 4 hours. It would create some awkwardness where some state borders would result in a 2 hour jump in time, but overall should increase productivity in for businesses operating on both coasts and internationally.

Interesting idea... I guess I would need to think about that for a minute. But I'm sure that the timezone trends would continue.... East coasters will ALWAYS set meetings right during my Central Time lunchtime, and West coasters will continue to show up to work whenever they want, and leave whenever they want. Because it's in the Cali constitution or whatever that people are allowed to leave work at 3pm to go play golf.
 
I hate standard time, I'd much rather have extra daylight after work than before. Shit, shift it so it's getting dark right around 9pm all year round and it'd be perfect for me. I don't care if my first three hours of work is dark out in the winter.
 
Or you go to bed 1 hour earlier today and wake up 1 hour earlier tomorrow resulting in a net change of...zero!

It doesn't work that way. It takes your body clock up to a week to adapt, and accident rates are up for most of that week.

It's a stupid anachronism, that should be taken behind the barn and shot.
 
Well, pretty sure they keep it around so the kids get picked up for school in daylight for safety reasons. That may not be why it started but I can understand it, even if I hate it.
 
Much overblown garbage about nothing. Let us just stick with the basics here, DST is Dumb. Do we really need any more of a debate than that? It made sense when the country wasn't industrialized and kids had to help on the farm. It no longer makes sense or has any value. It is time to just get rid of it.
 
Didn't read all the comments, but from an IT perspective anytime somebody "plays with time" it costs our industry hundreds of millions of dollars if not billions of dollars. My vote: Stop messing with it. Because if you mess with it, you will just mess with it again. And trust me, somebody is paying for these changes both directly and indirectly (passed on).

So... for the high and mighty spenders out there that want to change it (again)... can we have a Constitutional Ammendment to ensure that it's never ever changed again? :)
 
Didn't read all the comments, but from an IT perspective anytime somebody "plays with time" it costs our industry hundreds of millions of dollars if not billions of dollars. My vote: Stop messing with it. Because if you mess with it, you will just mess with it again. And trust me, somebody is paying for these changes both directly and indirectly (passed on).

So... for the high and mighty spenders out there that want to change it (again)... can we have a Constitutional Ammendment to ensure that it's never ever changed again? :)

Comon, billionaires got nothing better to spend their billions on. Might as well pay you to fix their clocks, waddaya say? :D
 
Well, pretty sure they keep it around so the kids get picked up for school in daylight for safety reasons. That may not be why it started but I can understand it, even if I hate it.

That's a pretty dumb reason. It has nothing to do with picking up kids. They move the clocks AHEAD in the spring. That gives you an hour MORE darkness in the morning. How about you change the time the bus picks up your kids so it is not dark?
 
That's a pretty dumb reason. It has nothing to do with picking up kids. They move the clocks AHEAD in the spring. That gives you an hour MORE darkness in the morning. How about you change the time the bus picks up your kids so it is not dark?

I think this is the reason why there is even a debate as to which should be kept permanent.. People that advocate for DST permanence instead of ST have it completely backwards.. lol

Also, during the summer we have plenty of daylight hours already (morning and evening). What the fuck is the point changing it. You would think if any adjustment were to be made they would do it in the Winter when we have less daylight hours, except it would make little difference anyways..

The only thing DST accomplishes in the Summer, is to force people to fun their fucking air conditioners on full blast later into the evening.. Well done boys, well done..
 
I blame it all on Obama.

Edit: Just kidding. Come on, compared to Trumpy, he was a great president. Even some of you right-wingtards are probably starting to see that. Hell, Trumpy is making me miss Pres. Cheney and VP Bush. Cheney was just plain evil. We knew where he stood. GW was his bitch. Trumpy is just totally incompetent, and that's what makes him so dangerous.

Yeah, it was great when Obammy told us if we liked our plan we could keep our plan. I like having a government gun pointed at my head over my body's health. All while magnanimous pot heads and birth control pill heads tell me they don't want to pay for my twinkie/smoking/drinking/eating habits.
 
DST, what dumb assery.. seems us humans (at least in this country) want to deny nature no matter what.
 
That's a pretty dumb reason. It has nothing to do with picking up kids. They move the clocks AHEAD in the spring. That gives you an hour MORE darkness in the morning. How about you change the time the bus picks up your kids so it is not dark?

That's why they keep standard time - it keeps it light in the morning when the kids get picked up. Most advocate for getting rid of standard time (so it stays light in the evening longer in winter), not DST.
 
Yeah, it was great when Obammy told us if we liked our plan we could keep our plan. I like having a government gun pointed at my head over my body's health. All while magnanimous pot heads and birth control pill heads tell me they don't want to pay for my twinkie/smoking/drinking/eating habits.


Yep, Obama was pure evil. And he was black. And he was born in Kenya.

Oh, he also had to clean up the mess that Cheney/GW left us with.

And you probably hated Bill Clinton, as well. Yeah, he got a few BJ's while in office, but he also kept Iraq contained, an he left office with a budget Surplus, not a Deficit.


Hate all you want. Don't let the facts distract you.
 
Most advocate for getting rid of standard time (so it stays light in the evening longer in winter), not DST.

True, however again - darker for longer in the morning. Where I live, middle of winter daylight seems to be between 9:00am and 4:00pm on Standard time. So if DST was in effect then, it would be daylight between 10:00am and 5:00pm. Rather not go that route, thanks.
 
people whine about anything these days........there are much more pressing issues than to complain about setting a clock back or forwards 1 hour
 
I don't care either way. My only grief is changing the clocks twice a year.
 
Put the whole planet on Zulu time (GMT). Once people get used to the "funky" times like going to work at 13:00 and getting off at 21:00 and realizing the sun might be up or down at hours that were called daytime, then most everyone will be on the same clock.
 
Screw sunlight. I'm a night person. Worked night shifts most of my adult life. Still, got a skin cancer lesion when I was 35. I've stayed out of the sun as much as I can ever since, successfully avoiding any more cancer. Fuck the sun. I like driving at night, and walking around in the evenings with the streetlamps on, stopping in at bars to have fun. I even prefer watching the endurance races from the cockpit perspective when they race in the rain or at night.
Give me darkness. I'll take my extra vitamin D in pill form.
 
True, however again - darker for longer in the morning. Where I live, middle of winter daylight seems to be between 9:00am and 4:00pm on Standard time. So if DST was in effect then, it would be daylight between 10:00am and 5:00pm. Rather not go that route, thanks.

Where I am, it works pretty perfectly to the sun just starting to come up when we drop the kids off on the bus at 7am in December on Standard time. That said, I'd rather have it get dark at 6 instead of 5 in the evening mid December than have the daylight in the morning. From what I've read, that's the big reason they keep standard time as it gives the most daylight for when school buses are ferrying kids around. Makes sense, but I still don't like it.
 
Yep, Obama was pure evil. And he was black. And he was born in Kenya.

Oh, he also had to clean up the mess that Cheney/GW left us with.

And you probably hated Bill Clinton, as well. Yeah, he got a few BJ's while in office, but he also kept Iraq contained, an he left office with a budget Surplus, not a Deficit.


Hate all you want. Don't let the facts distract you.

Hey, the President should totally get a one free grope/pussy grab rule.
 
OK, let's fall back a half hour and be done with it. Right in the middle.
Ok. How about you just get up an hour earlier, and get your 60 minutes instead of your 30. And not pretend to change time coz the sun doesn't move just because you change the little numbers on your clock! ;) :p
 
Ok. How about you just get up an hour earlier, and get your 60 minutes instead of your 30. And not pretend to change time coz the sun doesn't move just because you change the little numbers on your clock! ;) :p

I'm in complete agreement. You missed the point of my comment though. The clock has to be somewhere and this is a compromise we can come to so we never have to change it ever again.
 
You missed the point of my comment though.
No i didn't miss your point. I just though ti was an irrelevant thing, to try and compromise. You're wanting to compromise when there is no need to compromise. Its even simpler then that.

Time doesnt change.

your watch does. (aka your perception of what time it is).

Answer: Just get up earlier and stop making something complex when it need not be. And then we never have to change it ever again**



This is pretty much Gaylight savings in a nutshell. Its an overly complex antiquated system that had barely any relevance/gains during its inception let a lone now (as as is constantly brought up, those gains are quickly negated when you actually look at the bigger picture). What you give with one hand, you taketh away with the other and vice versa. So lets just stick with what is real. And leave this consistent waist of time and complexity where it should be, in the earlier centuries.


** Of course, until two or three generations pass and history repeats itself and we go through all the wasted time and energy re learning the same shit and wasting untold resources yet again doing so.

PS. i know youre' ont eh right page and generally agree etc. this is just for some grey matter movement. ;)
 
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