So about that 7700k...

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So I was interested in the 1800x and while it appears to be great, it doesn't seem to be what I'm looking for. I'm basically looking for something faster and more modern than my 3770k even though it still is a great system. It is a great platform but I do get some CPU bottleneck spikes here and there, probably because of my video card and extreme graphic settings I push. I think with the higher IPC and higher clockability of a 7700k, I might get what I'm looking for. I do gaming and workstation stuff. So here is where I am and where I'm considering trying to go:

CURRENT:
ASUS z77 Sabertooth motherboard
i7-3770k @ 4.7 GHz @ 1.4v
32GB Corsair Dominator DDR3 2400
2 x Titan XP SLI
3x 1 TB SATA SSD drives


PROPOSED:
ASUS z207 Sabertooth
i7-7700k @ 5.0 GHz
64 GB Corsair Dominator at 3000++ MHz (what is the highest I can run?)
2 x Titan XP SLI (same as before)
1 x 1 TB M.2 SSD (will remove 3 existing SSD drives and relocate to my NAS if i need more storage)

My existing RAM, CPU, and mobo have pretty good resale value at the moment so it won't be a terribly expensive upgrade.

Thoughts/recommendations?
 
I'm considering an upgrade too. I'm underwhelmed by the 8 core ryzen. Seems like there are some issues to work out.

I'm eyeing the 7700k, but with a target 5.0ghz, how much benefit would I see?

I game on all the latest AAA titles at 1440p on a 144hz monitor.
 
Nirad9er said:
I'm considering an upgrade too. I'm underwhelmed by the 8 core ryzen. Seems like there are some issues to work out.

I'm eyeing the 7700k, but with a target 5.0ghz, how much benefit would I see?

I game on all the latest AAA titles at 1440p on a 144hz monitor.
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It might make more sense to go for 1080's or 1080Ti's in your case. 7700K could maybe help a bit, but it won't be huge. The biggest benefits would most likely be the platform upgrades (m.2 and whatnot)
 
bjornb17 said:
I think with the higher IPC and higher clockability of a 7700k, I might get what I'm looking for.
i7-3770k @ 4.7 GHz @ 1.4v
i7-7700k @ 5.0 GHz
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Yeah, I wouldn't count on much of a boost, at all. IPC from Ivy to Kaby isn't much, and you are only looking at 5% clock gain.
 
Dew said:
Yeah, I wouldn't count on much of a boost, at all. IPC from Ivy to Kaby isn't much, and you are only looking at 5% clock gain.
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But guys think of the huge increases in min frame rates he will get!!! Kidding aside I'd actually be interested to see him run heaven/valley benchmarks along with several other game benchmarks before and after and see how much gain he really gets.
 
Oh man.... I figured the IPC would be more. How many % would you say it is? I was thinking 6.3% clock increase with 25% IPC increase would result in about 27% greater performance. Am I wrong?
 
bjornb17 said:
Oh man.... I figured the IPC would be more. How many % would you say it is? I was thinking 6.3% clock increase with 25% IPC increase would result in about 27% greater performance. Am I wrong?
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I would expect closer to 15% on IPC, maybe less.
 
if you do workstation stuff, then Ryzen maybe better at multi core/thread. as for gaming, i think developer will move to multi-core programming to take advantage of 8 core. before most developer has trouble to program efficiently on multi thread/core, but since PS4/Xbox are 8 core, i think they got alot experience. As AMD introduce 8Core at reasonble cost, i think developer will use that as advantage.
 
Yeah 7700k would be a nice upgrade....But uh oh......In 5 months butthurtitis when Skylake-X rolls out with a new 6, 8, 10 core CPU.....Uh oh.....Need new mobo to support that new CPU..... This is my dilemma.....
 
If you want a WS, 7700k isn't really a WS CPU.
Wait and see what Ryzen compiler updates bring for 240p 1000fps titan XP sli gaming (lol) then make your decision. No point jumping the gun now and regretting it later. Besides check out the minimum frames between the 7700k and Zen, you really think the 7700k is faster? I think you'll see the minimums more than a 20fps loss from 300fps...
 
Not worth upgrading to a 7700k in your case.

I doubt you'd have any observable difference in frame rate at all.
 
Keep in mind that only around 20% of Kaby Lake CPUs can hit 5.0GHz or better. I've had four of them and only the one Kyle delidded can hit that. It takes 1.38v+ and a triple radiator to do it.
 
For me I am in the same boat as well. But I also stream on twitch which is CPU demanding. Was wondering if I did an upgrade to a higher CPU as well if it would help me with with all of the above.
 
I'd recommend a 6 or 8 core on the X99 platform, if you're able to bump up your upgrade investment a wee bit.

i7-6800K is on sale for $405 at Newegg right now.
 
DejaWiz said:
I'd recommend a 6 or 8 core on the X99 platform, if you're able to bump up your upgrade investment a wee bit.

i7-6800K is on sale for $405 at Newegg right now.
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What about the 5820k? Seems like I can find a nicely binned one of those cheaply on the used market and they can clock well.
 
bjornb17 said:
What about the 5820k? Seems like I can find a nicely binned one of those cheaply on the used market and they can clock well.
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For sure! Not much difference between it and the 6800K (100 MHz, process size, maybe 1-5% IPC, etc).

If you want extra spacing between the two GPUs for better cooling potential, then check out both the Asus X99 Sabertooth and the Gigabyte X99 G1 Phoenix.
 
DejaWiz said:
For sure! Not much difference between it and the 6800K (100 MHz, process size, maybe 1-5% IPC, etc).

If you want extra spacing between the two GPUs for better cooling potential, then check out both the Asus X99 Sabertooth and the Gigabyte X99 G1 Phoenix.
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Cool! I'm a sabertooth fanboi so that's definitely what I would buy when upgrading.
 
I'm eyeing a 7700K upgrade from my current system, but trying to justify the cost for so little gains :grumpy:
 
Geforcepat said:
Good Choice.
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I put more thought into it and I just love my 3770k setup too much to upgrade to LGA-2011. And considering I upgrade motherboards like every 4-5 years it would be better to get it on a new LGA-2066 platform so I have a good feature set and a CPU upgrade path since I usually upgrade CPU's at least once before upgrading motherboard (on this one I went 3570k to 3770k, previously E8400 to Q9550, and so on).
 
bjornb17 said:
I put more thought into it and I just love my 3770k setup too much to upgrade to LGA-2011. And considering I upgrade motherboards like every 4-5 years it would be better to get it on a new LGA-2066 platform so I have a good feature set and a CPU upgrade path since I usually upgrade CPU's at least once before upgrading motherboard (on this one I went 3570k to 3770k, previously E8400 to Q9550, and so on).
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I'm in the same boat and really with the way hardware has been advancing lately. If you can go 5 or more years between core component upgrades you can keep a system going for a good long time with a solid investment in techology twice every 10-12 years. I may be saying this because that is what I did but I may not be. ;)
 
Grimlaking said:
I'm in the same boat and really with the way hardware has been advancing lately. If you can go 5 or more years between core component upgrades you can keep a system going for a good long time with a solid investment in techology twice every 10-12 years. I may be saying this because that is what I did but I may not be. ;)
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Haha, right on :) And when you time your core components correctly it leaves more money in between for video card and other such upgrades :) And with tight 2400 MHz RAM the system is pretty quick.
 
I notice there is a lot headroom in ryzen vs intel. to me this is better as new game/app require more core/headroom.

 
s002wjh said:
I notice there is a lot headroom in ryzen vs intel. to me this is better as new game/app require more core/headroom.

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Something is wrong if CPU usage is so low. Is it because 4 cores aren't being used? Or is it something related to Windows or the game itself doesn't work as well with Ryzen?
 
Nirad9er said:
Something is wrong if CPU usage is so low. Is it because 4 cores aren't being used? Or is it something related to Windows or the game itself doesn't work as well with Ryzen?
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It's a comparison between a 16 thread CPU and a 4 thread CPU, then comparing CPU usage which considers unused threads into the %. Of course the results look skewed.
 
here is another video, I do think for future prove, more core/thread is better.

remember back in the days 1 core is minimum , then dual core is minimum. I think with ryzen 8 core/16 thread become mainstream, game developer will change coding to utilize additional core/thread, they already doing so on PS4/XBOX, both are 8 core. They haven't done so till now, cause before intel 8 core cost $1k, so most ppl will spend on GPU rather than CPU. beside ryzen already beat 7700k on workstation app

 
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Keep waiting, there will be newer hardware coming out every 6 months or so for you to reconsider upgrading. :D


If you're mainly looking for a great improvement by changing chipset/CPU and going to the 7700 I don't think you'll feel it's worth the cash. If you're doing it to gain other upgrade potential like m.2 drives, USB 3.1, etc as well as the CPU then perhaps it's worth it.
 
The_Heretic said:
Keep waiting, there will be newer hardware coming out every 6 months or so for you to reconsider upgrading. :D


If you're mainly looking for a great improvement by changing chipset/CPU and going to the 7700 I don't think you'll feel it's worth the cash. If you're doing it to gain other upgrade potential like m.2 drives, USB 3.1, etc as well as the CPU then perhaps it's worth it.
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M.2, faster memory, faster PCIe (3.0 vs. 2.0) were all reasons why I got off my old X79 setup. Realistically, outside of those things my X99 system isn't any faster in games than my X79 system is with the same video cards.
 
bjornb17 said:
So I was interested in the 1800x and while it appears to be great, it doesn't seem to be what I'm looking for. I'm basically looking for something faster and more modern than my 3770k even though it still is a great system. It is a great platform but I do get some CPU bottleneck spikes here and there, probably because of my video card and extreme graphic settings I push. I think with the higher IPC and higher clockability of a 7700k, I might get what I'm looking for. I do gaming and workstation stuff. So here is where I am and where I'm considering trying to go:

CURRENT:
ASUS z77 Sabertooth motherboard
i7-3770k @ 4.7 GHz @ 1.4v
32GB Corsair Dominator DDR3 2400
2 x Titan XP SLI
3x 1 TB SATA SSD drives


PROPOSED:
ASUS z207 Sabertooth
i7-7700k @ 5.0 GHz
64 GB Corsair Dominator at 3000++ MHz (what is the highest I can run?)
2 x Titan XP SLI (same as before)
1 x 1 TB M.2 SSD (will remove 3 existing SSD drives and relocate to my NAS if i need more storage)

My existing RAM, CPU, and mobo have pretty good resale value at the moment so it won't be a terribly expensive upgrade.

Thoughts/recommendations?
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If i was going to run an SLI sytem for a gaming/workstation build and wanted to be future proof for the next 3 to 4 years I i would be waiting a few more months for Skylake/Kabylake X on the new x299 platform to see what it brings to the table. By that time, we should also have a pretty good idea if AMD was able to get a lot of the early bugs with Ryzen worked out and possibly see some faster or more overclockable variants. Im still on a 3570k Ivy Bridge myself but last year i switched my memory to 16gb of ddr3 2400, my graphics card to a gtx 1080 and a 34 inch 3440x1440 g-sync monitor. With the monitor clocked to 100mhz and g-sync enabled I havent found anything that doesnt play fairly smooth with the resolution and settings cranked all the way up. I was planning on upgrading this month myself, but I was waiting on Ryzen benchmarks because the trend going forward does seem to favor more cores/threads as well as higher clockspeed and IPC. Unfortuantely, the early state of the hardware turned me off, so Im going to wait a few months to see how everything shakes out.
 
People still sell their 3770k cpus for a lot on here and still want $300+ for a combo with a basic z77 or worse motherboard and 8gb of ram so you could ask for much more with a high end board like the z77 sabertooth and 32gb doms. I'd suggest you sell it while they still command a high price. The X99 platform seems to fit best with what you are looking for running a dual gpu setup.
 
dgacioch said:
If i was going to run an SLI sytem for a gaming/workstation build and wanted to be future proof for the next 3 to 4 years I i would be waiting a few more months for Skylake/Kabylake X on the new x299 platform to see what it brings to the table. By that time, we should also have a pretty good idea if AMD was able to get a lot of the early bugs with Ryzen worked out and possibly see some faster or more overclockable variants. Im still on a 3570k Ivy Bridge myself but last year i switched my memory to 16gb of ddr3 2400, my graphics card to a gtx 1080 and a 34 inch 3440x1440 g-sync monitor. With the monitor clocked to 100mhz and g-sync enabled I havent found anything that doesnt play fairly smooth with the resolution and settings cranked all the way up. I was planning on upgrading this month myself, but I was waiting on Ryzen benchmarks because the trend going forward does seem to favor more cores/threads as well as higher clockspeed and IPC. Unfortuantely, the early state of the hardware turned me off, so Im going to wait a few months to see how everything shakes out.
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Nice, I used to have a 3570k, it was a solid chip but the 3770k is so much smoother in witcher 3 and battlefield 1. It is a nice cheap upgrade especially after selling my 3570k. I installed my 2400MHz ram about 2 months ago and it made a nice difference well especially in certain programs. And I'm adding an M.2 card via a PCIe riser tomorrow so my system is basically maxed out for being a Z77. But rock solid. However, I would REALLY love to have some of the new bells and whistles like quad channel ram and a 6 core CPU at 5 ghz (not really possible with what is currently available). X299 is sounding really promising based on what I've read.
 
bjornb17 said:
Nice, I used to have a 3570k, it was a solid chip but the 3770k is so much smoother in witcher 3 and battlefield 1. It is a nice cheap upgrade especially after selling my 3570k. I installed my 2400MHz ram about 2 months ago and it made a nice difference well especially in certain programs. And I'm adding an M.2 card via a PCIe riser tomorrow so my system is basically maxed out for being a Z77. But rock solid. However, I would REALLY love to have some of the new bells and whistles like quad channel ram and a 6 core CPU at 5 ghz (not really possible with what is currently available). X299 is sounding really promising based on what I've read.
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I've had the same upgrade bug for well over a year now. When I upgraded my graphics card last year I had enough cash to either replace the old ivy bridge platform or my monitor. I figured I'd get more bang for my buck replacing my display and waiting until this year to redo the entire system. I Was hoping Ryzen would have been a bit more impressive but I can wait a few more months to see how things shake out.
 
i7 7700K is not the CPU to purchase. Since launch of Ryzen CPUs suddenly all Intel 4 core processors are showing massive stuttering in games. AMD sorcery is at work.

Honestly, your setup to another 4 core X700K proc would not yield any significant gains.
 
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