Nintendo Isn't Worried about the Dead Pixels on Your Switch

I've noticed one dead pixel on my Switch so far. Since it's just one I'm going to ignore it for now and enjoy the system. I've had a decent amount of LCD devices with dead pixels throughout my life and I've found that it's best to just ignore them unless you get a screen with several. If you try and get it replaced you may end up with a screen that still has dead pixels or that's worse than the one you had in the beginning. I still remember my original PSP that was littered with stuck pixels and had a bunch of dust under the screen. I got it replaced and the new one wasn't much better. Years later I got a 3000 model PSP and guess what? It had a stuck pixel, too. What bothers me much more than dead and stuck pixels is when dust gets under the screen protector of a device. If this happens with the Switch I'll be really disappointed.
 
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Mchart said:
Whatever to all the haters. The Switch is outstanding and having a title like the new Zelda in a portable device is amazing.

Another clickbait false outrage headline. This practice is no different then any other manufacturer, and at the end of the day if you open up your Switch and find dead pixels just return/exchange the damn thing at the retail store you bought it from.

And yes, it overclocks when in the dock. This evident with how much hotter the device is while in dock mode compared to handheld mode even w/ the screen producing heat in handheld mode.

The reason why Zelda has slow downs while in dock mode is because it's outputting @ 900p vs. only 720p in handheld mode. Further, you can force the switch to only output @ 720p in dock mode if the slowdowns are you annoying you.

I'll say what I said in the other thread though; Zelda while experiencing the occasional slowdown is still a smoother playing game then GOW4 on the Xbox One..

Have fun continue hating on Nintendo; Ya'll are missing out on an incredible game due to bias.
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Exactly.... ONE incredible game which is a port of the same game for the previous gen system....bravo nintendo.
 
Bigbacon said:
Exactly.... ONE incredible game which is a port of the same game for the previous gen system....bravo nintendo.
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Right - So if you have a Wii U use that, although I own both versions and I prefer the Switch version.

But the point is that most people don't own a Wii U for obvious reasons, and it makes an easy sell for the Switch given that the Switch moving forward is going to have some great titles beyond just Zelda.

But i'll tell you that as someone who loves open world games that I had no problem laying down the cash for the Switch to play BOTW. As a PC Gamer the switch to me is of far more value then any other console for many reasons that should be apparent beyond just playing Nintendo first party titles.
 
ShuttleLuv said:
I mean no disrespect to Nintendo fans but they should've stepped out of the hardware game like Sega after Gamecube.
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No, they should get their damn heads out of their ass and release a real console without the damn gimmicks. Last great Nintendo console was the SNES. Then came the N64 and it's dumb ass controller and it was downhill from there.
 
Etherton said:
No, they should get their damn heads out of their ass and release a real console without the damn gimmicks. Last great Nintendo console was the SNES. Then came the N64 and it's dumb ass controller and it was downhill from there.
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I really wouldn't call the switch 'gimmicky'. It's a handheld that comes with a TV dock. IMO Nintendo is playing this smart. They aren't trying to compete with full blown consoles/PC. They are giving people something that doesn't even exist in the handheld market right now. Sure - There are tablets more powerful then the Switch but they have far worse battery life if running anything that pushes graphics, they have shitty / no controllers, and none of them as easily connect to a TV.
 
Mchart said:
I really wouldn't call the switch 'gimmicky'. It's a handheld that comes with a TV dock. IMO Nintendo is playing this smart. They aren't trying to compete with full blown consoles/PC. They are giving people something that doesn't even exist in the handheld market right now. Sure - There are tablets more powerful then the Switch but they have far worse battery life if running anything that pushes graphics, they have shitty / no controllers, and none of them as easily connect to a TV.
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Yea they do their own thing but imagine how BotW would of looked on a ps4 pro or PC. The game as is could be easily done at 4k with more bells and whistles. I am disappointed with the switch. I had a chance to buy one over the weekend and decided against it cause the hardware is really poop. It is barely a upgrade over the Wii U. The portable aspect of it means nothing to me. I don't know when I would actually use it. Nintendo seems of lost their way as a company and care more about profits. Not to mention how much of dicks they are with their IPs. They are the only company that file copy right claims on any youtube videos using their IP. I'm surprised they didn't send out cease and desist orders to twitch to shut down all BotW streams.
 
Well of course all they care about are profits. They couldn't exist as a publicly traded company if they didn't care about profits. The Switch fills an area that nothing else matches right now, and it follows their line of success w/ their handheld market dominance. The hardware itself is more forward looking then what Microsoft/Sony are doing as Nintendo more so then the others sees the writing on the wall for the console market. By refocusing all their efforts on a single portable device Nintendo is ensuring their survivability in the hardware market.
 
Mchart said:
the writing on the wall for the console market.
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What's that? There will always be a market for a Sony/MS type console. Nintendo gave up their crown willingly a long time ago. Had they continued, they'd still be king.

edit: Think about it. Games like CoD and Halo are raking in over a BILLION dollars. Consoles are not going anywhere.
 
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What's that? There will always be a market for a Sony/MS type console. Nintendo gave up their crown willingly a long time ago. Had they continued, they'd still be king.
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I'd be willing to think they have a crown on the portable gaming market but when was the last one they had for home based consoles? Their history is pretty splatoony if you really look at it. It almost looks like they get lucky here and there moreso than they just have a really great idea about what people want. I do wish there was a 3rd contender for home console, with xbone and ps4 being so similar it is just a race to the bottom with them.

I miss back when consoles all felt so different from eachother. I think the switch will do well, but no it likely is not going to replace anyones ps4 or xbone at this point. I myself just don't have use for mobile gaming (hell I dont even have games on my phone) and might just try and grab a wiiU for some of the games i missed out on when it drops in price enough to get.
 
Darunion said:
I'd be willing to think they have a crown on the portable gaming market but when was the last one they had for home based consoles?
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I agree completely with you. Albeit, if they're not careful smartphones will take a considerable portion of the mobile share market away. They know it too. As seen with their recent Mario and Fire Emblem (I think?) releases on iOS and Android.
 
The two areas I think Nintendo was smart about is that they have an easy to dock tablet, and it comes with a gamepad. For quite awhile that I thought the future was dockable portables. I didn't think the time was now to be honest though, nor did I think Nintendo was going to be the one doing it. (And I still don't see the point with tablets. The Switch is a little too big for portability imho, but also too small for a console). But if they can be successful, I'd say your future computer might also head in that direction. With every manufacturer trying to lock down software into their own store...
 
Etherton said:
What's that? There will always be a market for a Sony/MS type console. Nintendo gave up their crown willingly a long time ago. Had they continued, they'd still be king.

edit: Think about it. Games like CoD and Halo are raking in over a BILLION dollars. Consoles are not going anywhere.
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I really disagree with that. Has it been profitable? Yes - But Nintendo entering the market with yet another x86 clone sold at a loss is not going to work out well for them. I do honestly believe that the console market is going to shrink over the coming years, and the fact that both Microsoft has been rumored to be done with making hardware once the Xbox One is done is good evidence of that. Microsoft may release a console like computer, but the days of 'gaming consoles' are coming to a close IMO. (By console I mean This is why the handheld market is about the only market where a company like Nintendo has room to compete. I think the future for 'consoles' is in the handheld market, not the X86 PC clone market.
 
Exavior said:
You seem to be flipping some facts. The GPU boost is when it is NOT docked. When you undock the system you get a 25% GPU boost. When you dock the system it does lowers the GPU performance and then upscales to 1080. So you get worse performance when docked.
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No, the difference is also the resolution. So Zelda BotW has some problems when docked and running at 900p instead of 720p undocked. The boost is not enough to keep up with the resolution in some cases. There are frame drops on the Switch (docked) and in the Wii U versions of the game, being more noticeable on the Wii U at 720p res.
 
Nintendo could have owned this space if they had wanted to.

A fucking tablet, with built in controllers, a real GPU, a real CPU, easily docked. A shit ton of unique, first party games that people would kill for. Absolutely brilliant.

They screwed it up of course, but they COULD have exploded into the tablet market if they'd had half a brain.
 
Darunion said:
I'd be willing to think they have a crown on the portable gaming market but when was the last one they had for home based consoles? Their history is pretty splatoony if you really look at it. It almost looks like they get lucky here and there moreso than they just have a really great idea about what people want. I do wish there was a 3rd contender for home console, with xbone and ps4 being so similar it is just a race to the bottom with them.

I miss back when consoles all felt so different from eachother. I think the switch will do well, but no it likely is not going to replace anyones ps4 or xbone at this point. I myself just don't have use for mobile gaming (hell I dont even have games on my phone) and might just try and grab a wiiU for some of the games i missed out on when it drops in price enough to get.
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so you mean you will never buy a WiI U then maybe you missed it but they are no longer for sell, Nintendo pulled them from all stores when they discontinued them in order to try to keep people like you from buying a cheaper Wii U once the switch was released.


Mchart said:
I really disagree with that. Has it been profitable? Yes - But Nintendo entering the market with yet another x86 clone sold at a loss is not going to work out well for them. I do honestly believe that the console market is going to shrink over the coming years, and the fact that both Microsoft has been rumored to be done with making hardware once the Xbox One is done is good evidence of that. Microsoft may release a console like computer, but the days of 'gaming consoles' are coming to a close IMO. (By console I mean This is why the handheld market is about the only market where a company like Nintendo has room to compete. I think the future for 'consoles' is in the handheld market, not the X86 PC clone market.
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I find it funny how often Microsoft's comment gets twisted to be something than what they said. They never said they were done with hardware. What they said was that they see the Xbox one as the last console generation with the future being more like pcs where you just release a better revision every few years. So instead of the Xbox 4 and PS 5 coming out 5 - 7 years after the Xbox One and PS 4 we instead are getting the Xbox Scorpio and PS 4 Pro. Then in another 3 - 4 years there will be another refresh, then another... This way the games that you buy today will work in future consoles and you don't have to buy every console release. If you buy a PS 4 you get better graphics for some games, if you don't buy it then you stay with current graphics. That is much cheaper for them to just release the same system but with a faster cpu and gpu instead if making a full new system with a new API. It also means the users don't need to worry about their library needing to be purchased over and over again like with the Nintendo systems. I have 360 games that I can play on the Xbox one and will be able to for every version of it going forward. If somebody bought a PS 4 game on launch they know it will work on the Pro and every PS 4 model going forward.
 
NeoNemesis said:
Nintendo could have owned this space if they had wanted to.

A fucking tablet, with built in controllers, a real GPU, a real CPU, easily docked. A shit ton of unique, first party games that people would kill for. Absolutely brilliant.

They screwed it up of course, but they COULD have exploded into the tablet market if they'd had half a brain.
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You've described what the Switch is. Sure, it doesn't have a 'shit ton' of games yet - But by Christmas it will have enough unique 1st party titles that it'll be a compelling buy for 2017 Christmas cycle. It does have a 'real' CPU and a 'real' GPU when you consider it has hours of battery life even when running full tilt. Every other tablet on the market burns through battery in under a hour if you run the thing full tilt.
 
Etherton said:
No, they should get their damn heads out of their ass and release a real console without the damn gimmicks. Last great Nintendo console was the SNES. Then came the N64 and it's dumb ass controller and it was downhill from there.
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Uhm. I haven't owned a Nintendo system since the snes but uh the Nintendo 64 Z control revolutionized how real 3d games were played and Mario 64 and ocarina of time are considered some of the greatest games of all time. I have to 100% disagree with you.
 
joseardzm said:
No, the difference is also the resolution. So Zelda BotW has some problems when docked and running at 900p instead of 720p undocked. The boost is not enough to keep up with the resolution in some cases. There are frame drops on the Switch (docked) and in the Wii U versions of the game, being more noticeable on the Wii U at 720p res.
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It's a gen 1 game. Lol this will tell people how old I am. When the snes came out and you got r-rtype and gradius there was so much stupid slow down. I'm sure by next year games would be optimized better for the hardware.
 
Mchart said:
You've described what the Switch is. Sure, it doesn't have a 'shit ton' of games yet - But by Christmas it will have enough unique 1st party titles that it'll be a compelling buy for 2017 Christmas cycle. It does have a 'real' CPU and a 'real' GPU when you consider it has hours of battery life even when running full tilt. Every other tablet on the market burns through battery in under a hour if you run the thing full tilt.
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Ya, that's what I said. All of those things are what the Nintendo got right.

But they dropped the ball. Sure they'll fix some of the software issues over the next year, but by that time people will already have such a bad taste in their mouth. Hell, I can forgive the lack of games. What I can't forgive was the exclusion of basic streaming services, various idiotic hardware decisions (usb on bottom, poorly made overpriced dock, etc.), and an overall lack of communication with their customers.

At any rate. I'll buy Zelda for Wii U and play it on CEMU in a few months. No skin off my back.

I may revisit the Switch once it's had time to mature a bit.
 
trentchau said:
Uhm. I haven't owned a Nintendo system since the snes but uh the Nintendo 64 Z control revolutionized how real 3d games were played and Mario 64 and ocarina of time are considered some of the greatest games of all time. I have to 100% disagree with you.
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I'm not talking about their games. They're great, for the most part. On the other hand... it's been a pretty consistent "throw whatever at the wall and hope it sticks" mentality in their hardware team. Yes, the N64 controller was shit. The original dual analog PS controller came out near the same time and was much better.
 
Etherton said:
I'm not talking about their games. They're great, for the most part. On the other hand... it's been a pretty consistent "throw whatever at the wall and hope it sticks" mentality in their hardware team. Yes, the N64 controller was shit. The original dual analog PS controller came out near the same time and was much better.
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It came out in response to the N64 controller because it was vastly better for 3d games, the throw w.e at the wall and see if it works is why companies copy nintendo all the time. Nintendo takes risks, sony never takes risks with their systems, microsoft takes different kinds of risks usually more with software.

The DS is a money making machine because of that.

The wii printed money like crazy for nintendo and is the only reason why the playstation move exists, is because of the Wii and it's just a really lazy copy of the technology. just moving the camera from inside the controller to a camera mounted elsewhere to avoid lawsuits. Atleast microsoft attempted something different with the Kinect. Sony doesn't innovate, probably why the company as a whole bled money like crazy, they stick to the same old shit with improvements but eventually people move on and they don't.
 
Etherton said:
I'm not talking about their games. They're great, for the most part. On the other hand... it's been a pretty consistent "throw whatever at the wall and hope it sticks" mentality in their hardware team. Yes, the N64 controller was shit. The original dual analog PS controller came out near the same time and was much better.
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It was 6 months behind and had limited early support also. I remember those days well. I'll be honest I was a goddamn playstation whore back then with their edgy "R you read e" campaign and non kiddy Nintendo games, but the n64 wasn't as gimmicky to me, only failure was the 5% storage space compared to a cd rom. GameCube in inclined to agree with you. The gd rom or whatever it was called was annoying and after 6 years of seeing how much more their competitors could do with that much more space and Nintendo not doing shit about it was kinda annoying. But I still can't agree with you about the hardware. The nin 64 brought two important factors to the gaming table hardware wise Imho. Lack of load time, and realistic input in an increasing 3d gaming world. I think those two factors really started to be a factor that was improved upon greatly in future generations.
 
MV75 said:
But that is the real shame to me. I'm not a Zelda fan at all, but this game does look great, but it's the golden game that sells this console and it can't even do full hd. I am very disappointed at the hardware. So yes I will miss out on this game because the hardware let it down.



Agreed. The only time I've had any pixel issues with anything was with my old Toshiba p2 laptop, but the pixel was able to be massaged working again, and on my very first lcd monitor had a couple of black ones, that was about 13 years ago. Now my dell 24" bought in 2008 I'm still using right now, our first and still current 46" Toshiba tv (bought 2009), three Nintendo ds consoles, multiple phones, about 3 other laptops, and a bunch of other lcd stuff I've had zero dead pixels with, they have never been an issue and I thought yields were fixed. But yea, has their quality gone down?
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I think only one of the current consoles does 1080p HD. All the others do 720hd just fine. And even then as a spoiled ass pc gamer who just watched my little nephew play dark souls 3 at 20 fps at 900p on the Xbox one. Fuck that nastiness. Ugh I would rather have 720p 60fps over that crap.
 
I remember years ago a lot of people complaining about Newegg's policy of only accepting screens with 3 or more dead pixels for returns.
 
trentchau said:
I think only one of the current consoles does 1080p HD. All the others do 720hd just fine. And even then as a spoiled ass pc gamer who just watched my little nephew play dark souls 3 at 20 fps at 900p on the Xbox one. Fuck that nastiness. Ugh I would rather have 720p 60fps over that crap.
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They do 1080p just as the Switch does, but also just like the Switch most games are rendered at sub-1080p and generally run like ass compared to PC. This is why I can't agree with a lot of people saying the Switch 'isn't good enough' compared to the other consoles. The other consoles are technically more powerful but still run everything like crap anyways. About the only game that looks half-way decent and doesn't run like anus on my XBONE is the latest Forza. As a PC gamer the XBONE/PS4 offer no value to me because I already have a decent computer. At least the Switch doubles as a portable device.
 
Mchart said:
They do 1080p just as the Switch does, but also just like the Switch most games are rendered at sub-1080p and generally run like ass compared to PC. This is why I can't agree with a lot of people saying the Switch 'isn't good enough' compared to the other consoles. The other consoles are technically more powerful but still run everything like crap anyways. About the only game that looks half-way decent and doesn't run like anus on my XBONE is the latest Forza. As a PC gamer the XBONE/PS4 offer no value to me because I already have a decent computer. At least the Switch doubles as a portable device.
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You only think console games run like ass because you are a hardforum computer nerd. The typical average gamer is perfectly content with the performance of console games. You gotta remember that mass produced products factually are not specifically engineered just for you.
 
ZodaEX said:
You only think console games run like ass because you are a hardforum computer nerd. The typical average gamer is perfectly content with the performance of console games. You gotta remember that mass produced products factually are not specifically engineered just for you.
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What is the purpose of developing/selling something like the PS4 Pro, then?
 
ZodaEX said:
To make money. Much like most other consumer products. Any more questions?
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You are dodging the question. If the average gamer doesn't care about performance, why sell a better-performing version of the same console?
 
MavericK said:
You are dodging the question. If the average gamer doesn't care about performance, why sell a better-performing version of the same console?
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Wrong. I didn't say the average gamer doesn't care about performance. I said they are perfectly happy with the performance that consoles currently offer. (Meaning 30 FPS give or take 5 FPS) once console games start to dip below 25 FPS then even average console gamers notice.
 
ZodaEX said:
Wrong. I didn't say the average gamer doesn't care about performance. I said they are perfectly happy with the performance that currently consoles offer. (Meaning 30 FPS give or take 5 FPS) once console games start to dip below 25 FPS then even average console gamers notice.
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Okay, so again, why release a "Pro" system with 60 FPS performance if 30 is good enough?

I get what you are saying, and yeah, a lot of people don't care about 30 FPS on console. But I'm guessing the number that do is larger than you think.
 
vegeta535 said:
Yea they do their own thing but imagine how BotW would of looked on a ps4 pro or PC. The game as is could be easily done at 4k with more bells and whistles. I am disappointed with the switch. I had a chance to buy one over the weekend and decided against it cause the hardware is really poop. It is barely a upgrade over the Wii U. The portable aspect of it means nothing to me. I don't know when I would actually use it. Nintendo seems of lost their way as a company and care more about profits. Not to mention how much of dicks they are with their IPs. They are the only company that file copy right claims on any youtube videos using their IP. I'm surprised they didn't send out cease and desist orders to twitch to shut down all BotW streams.
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They committed to a shitty art style years ago..having a system capable of 4k wouldn't have mattered in the slightest with BotW. It would look exactly the same as it does now.
 
MavericK said:
Okay, so again, why release a "Pro" system with 60 FPS performance if 30 is good enough?

I get what you are saying, and yeah, a lot of people don't care about 30 FPS on console. But I'm guessing the number that do is larger than you think.
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The question here comes down to how well the Pro is selling. Did the majority drop their PS4 for a Pro?

I view the Pro as more of a compromise for those who want performance but can't afford a good PC (and those who just want performance), but I also think most people are happy enough with just the PS4.
 
MavericK said:
Okay, so again, why release a "Pro" system with 60 FPS performance if 30 is good enough?

I get what you are saying, and yeah, a lot of people don't care about 30 FPS on console. But I'm guessing the number that do is larger than you think.
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You have no idea what you are talking about. The vast majority of games running on the PS4-Pro do not run at 60FPS. That's not at all what the PS4 pro is about. The PS4 pro was more to enable Sony to use the new marketing buzz word "4k" than anything else.
 
Nytegard said:
The question here comes down to how well the Pro is selling. Did the majority drop their PS4 for a Pro?

I view the Pro as more of a compromise for those who want performance but can't afford a good PC (and those who just want performance), but I also think most people are happy enough with just the PS4.
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I have a Ps4, I see zero reason to upgrade it.
 
ZodaEX said:
You have no idea what you are talking about. The vast majority of games running on the PS4-Pro do not run at 60FPS. That's not at all what the PS4 pro is about. The PS4 pro was more to enable Sony to use the new marketing buzz word "4k" than anything else.
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So you are saying "Boost Mode" doesn't exist? Because that's exactly what it's designed to do.

When else have we gotten a "Pro" version of a console during the same generation, with upgraded specs? This is a fairly new concept and we are getting it with both Sony and (eventually) Microsoft.
 
The Switch seems to have alot of design issues but "dead pixel" can't really be put onto Nintendo
ISO13406-2 provides guidelines w.r.t. quality & it doesn't state zero-tolerance. a FEW LCD manufacturers do go for zero-defect & this does push up the cost because... they occur & they reject. As of 2007, most manufacturers specify their products as Pixel Fault Class II.


 
MavericK said:
So you are saying "Boost Mode" doesn't exist? Because that's exactly what it's designed to do.

When else have we gotten a "Pro" version of a console during the same generation, with upgraded specs? This is a fairly new concept and we are getting it with both Sony and (eventually) Microsoft.
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No, herp derp. I never said boost mode doesn't exist. Just re-read my post slowly 3 times and I think what I said might sink in to your brain. Might.
 
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