Steam Hardware Survey updated with GPUs

hmm

“When you're at the end of your rope, tie a knot and hold on”
Roosevelt, Teddy,

Hopefully AMD's desperation isn't like this ;)
 
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By the time AMD releases Vega to compete with 1080, Nvidia will already be teasing us with Volta. Few are going to pony up for what will be last gens performance they could have already had for 9+ months and will be looking forward to the next gen.
 
bildad said:
By the time AMD releases Vega to compete with 1080, Nvidia will already be teasing us with Volta. Few are going to pony up for what will be last gens performance they could have already had for 9+ months and will be looking forward to the next gen.
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Vega will probably go up against Volta (or not haha) at that time. I think they are skipping this gen entirely except for midrange. If the leaks are true then Vega may be the Raja influenced card.
 
I wish Steam Hardware survey would include monitor size that might help developers from someone using a 15" laptop screen to a 50" oled .
 
Steam September Vulkan numbers:

GTX 1080 1.22% (+0.28%)
GTX 1070 1.94% (+0.58%)
GTX 1060 1.20% (+0.72%)
RX 480 0.17% (+0.06%)
RX 470 0.50% (+0.50%)
RX 460 0.06% (+0.04%)

Note that some RX480 cards became RX470 it seems.

Excluding the Titan X, Nvidia got a 83.8% share and AMD a 16.2% share of new cards.

The king.
GTX 970 9.92%(-0.22%)

Installed base.
AMD loses 0.3% in graphics.
Nvidia gains 0.2% in graphics.
Intel gains 0.1% in graphics.

Intel gains 0.4% in CPU.
AMD loses 0.4% in CPU.
 
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Why are the 480 and 460 so much lower than the 470? It's used more than those combined and doubled.
 
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TaintedSquirrel said:
Is the 480 not competitvely priced against the 1060...?
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For the metrics? No. ~15% slower and using ~35% more power and only 10$ difference.

The 480 would most likely have sold a bit better, if the 480 was 8GB only and the 470 4GB only.
 
Just a note. The RX480 had 0.26% last month. the RX470 0.01%.

So the increase for the RX 470 with the fixed numbers is 0.34%. (0.16% last month). Most RX 470 cards was wrongly counted as RX 480 last month. Still great sales by the RX 470. Assuming these numbers wont be corrected again, in the favour of the RX480 contra the RX 470.

In DX12, isolated to Windows 10 users. The RX 480 increased 0.08% and the RX 470 0.04%. The GTX 1060 to compare increased 0.28%.

But same applies with Windows Vista+. RX 480 beats the RX 470. So seems Vulkan got an issue telling the difference between RX 470 and RX 480.
 
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TaintedSquirrel said:
I also just realized the 1060 3GB is probably lumped with the 6GB model.
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Most likely. But so is 4 and 8GB cards and 2 and 4GB.

If you want to count 1060 vs 480+470 you get +0.72% vs +0.40%. Then you also avoid the possible mix up with 470 and 480 cards in between.
 
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The cheapest RX 480 on NewEgg, 4GB goes for $229 - Where is the $199 promised.

Now the cheapest RX 480 8GB is $239, AIB 1290mhz 3 fans and comes with a $10 Rebate and a BF1 discount card (A very good deal here)

PowerColor RED DEVIL Radeon RX 480 DirectX 12 AXRX 480 8GBD5-3DHV2/OC 8GB 256-Bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 CrossFireX Support ATX Video Card - Newegg.com

If the RX 480's can come a little, especially the 4GB versions they would sell a lot better other wise the 1060 will stick it to them.
 
noko said:
The cheapest RX 480 on NewEgg, 4GB goes for $229 - Where is the $199 promised.

Now the cheapest RX 480 8GB is $239, AIB 1290mhz 3 fans and comes with a $10 Rebate and a BF1 discount card (A very good deal here)

PowerColor RED DEVIL Radeon RX 480 DirectX 12 AXRX 480 8GBD5-3DHV2/OC 8GB 256-Bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 CrossFireX Support ATX Video Card - Newegg.com

If the RX 480's can come a little, especially the 4GB versions they would sell a lot better other wise the 1060 will stick it to them.
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4GB ref cards were $199. non-ref they charged whatever they felt people would buy. Almost got one for that price, but decided to wait for the nitro+
 
noko said:
The cheapest RX 480 on NewEgg, 4GB goes for $229 - Where is the $199 promised.

Now the cheapest RX 480 8GB is $239, AIB 1290mhz 3 fans and comes with a $10 Rebate and a BF1 discount card (A very good deal here)

PowerColor RED DEVIL Radeon RX 480 DirectX 12 AXRX 480 8GBD5-3DHV2/OC 8GB 256-Bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 CrossFireX Support ATX Video Card - Newegg.com

If the RX 480's can come a little, especially the 4GB versions they would sell a lot better other wise the 1060 will stick it to them.
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This isn't news the 10 series is having the same issue. It's what happens when you have the blower reference cards cost $70 more than they should.
 
noko said:
The cheapest RX 480 on NewEgg, 4GB goes for $229 - Where is the $199 promised.

Now the cheapest RX 480 8GB is $239, AIB 1290mhz 3 fans and comes with a $10 Rebate and a BF1 discount card (A very good deal here)

PowerColor RED DEVIL Radeon RX 480 DirectX 12 AXRX 480 8GBD5-3DHV2/OC 8GB 256-Bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 CrossFireX Support ATX Video Card - Newegg.com

If the RX 480's can come a little, especially the 4GB versions they would sell a lot better other wise the 1060 will stick it to them.
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That card is poorly build and it's power circuitry isn't meant for overclocking.



You can leave that card at stock, but I wouldn't do any serious overclocking on that card.

The problem with polaris is it becomes a 250 watt card past 1400mhz.

The gtx 1060 becomes a 150 watt card when overclocked and is cheaper.
GIGABYTE GeForce GTX 1060 Windforce OC GV-N1060WF2OC-6GD Video Card-Newegg.com

This gtx 1060 is the 6gb version for 240(vs 250 for the rx 480 red devil). And people wish it was a BF1 discount. It's an upgrade voucher when you buy the game at full price for mostly visual, rather than playable game content.

Until the rx 480 becomes around 10% cheaper than the gtx 1060, it should looked at as the worse purchase. Being slower, while using more power consumption and more expensive is a tough sell particularly with the AMD brand stigma. AMD needs to be the value brand and this characteristics simply isn't there compared to the gtx 1060 series.
 
tajoh111 said:
That card is poorly build and it's power circuitry isn't meant for overclocking.



You can leave that card at stock, but I wouldn't do any serious overclocking on that card.
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Well, that certainly explains Powercolor's place in the lineup. They always have lower prices then XFX, yet are always praised on the forums for their "almost as good as XFX" warranty service.

PowerColor RMA any issues?

Guess they cut the costs in the build quality?
 
defaultluser said:
Well, that certainly explains Powercolor's place in the lineup. They always have lower prices then XFX, yet are always praised on the forums for their "almost as good as XFX" warranty service.

PowerColor RMA any issues?

Guess they cut the costs in the build quality?
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I bet they are cutting corners just to survive. Being an AMD exclusive GPU partner is the ultimate shit sandwich: You can't move as much volume as NV cards and forced to priced lower, still have to deal with AMD's inferior perf/W and large memory buses in your PCB design and when you think things can't go any worse, watch AMD drop a ref 480 stinker on you.

Anybody wants to be the next AMD exclusive partner?
 
Steam October Vulkan numbers:

GTX 1080 1.44% (+0.22%)
GTX 1070 2.50% (+0.52%)
GTX 1060 1.98% (+0.72%)
RX 480 (Doesn't exist currently, counted as 470?)
RX 470 0.72% (+0.20%)
RX 460 0.12% (+0.06%)

DX12 numbers as reference.
GTX 1080 0.67% (+0.10%)
GTX 1070 1.11% (+0.24%)
GTX 1060 0.73% (+0.27%)
RX 480 0.24% (+0.06%)
RX 470 0.07% (+0.02%)
RX 460 0.04% (+0.02%)

Vulkan share:
Base: 87.5% Nvidia / 12.5% AMD
New cards: 84.9% Nvidia / 15.1% AMD

DX12 share:
Base: 87.7% Nvidia / 12.3% AMD
New cards: 85.9% Nvidia / 14.1% AMD

Installed base.
AMD loses 0.3% in graphics.
Nvidia is same in graphics.
Intel gains 0.2% in graphics.

Intel gains 0.3% in CPU.
AMD loses 0.3% in CPU.

VR Headsets slightly on the rise again. +0.01% for both Oculus(0.10%) and VIVE(0.20%).
 
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Q3 report from JPR, if that's you refer to, comes in the end of the month.
 
defaultluser said:
Well, that certainly explains Powercolor's place in the lineup. They always have lower prices then XFX, yet are always praised on the forums for their "almost as good as XFX" warranty service.

PowerColor RMA any issues?

Guess they cut the costs in the build quality?
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I certainly think they did; perhaps not too surprising as Polaris was originally meant to be a high-end solution and ended up middle of the pack, so "sacrifices" had to be made since the AIBs aren't making nearly as much per card as they had hoped for.

PowerColor definitely cheaped out on the RX 480 Red Devil -- quite surprising, since their "Devil" line is usually their "best custom" line.

As for PowerColor's RMA, I've gotten cards from them in the past, RMA'd them (when necessary) with no difficulties whatsoever (also always got the rebates back too).

XFX seems to have gotten the "inside word" on just what Polaris was going to be, and "binned" accordingly.
 
Another month quickly passes by.

Steam November Vulkan numbers:

GTX 1080 1.66% (+0.22%)
GTX 1070 3.06% (+0.56%)
GTX 1060 2.94% (+0.96%)
GTX 1050TI 0.12% (+0.12%)
RX 480 (Counted as 470)
RX 470 0.96% (+0.24%)
RX 460 0.22% (+0.10%)

DX12 numbers as reference.
GTX 1080 0.78% (+0.11%)
GTX 1070 1.35% (+0.24%)
GTX 1060 1.10% (+0.37%)
GTX 1050TI 0.04% (+0.04%)
RX 480 0.31% (+0.07%)
RX 470 0.09% (+0.02%)
RX 460 0.07% (+0.03%)

Vulkan share:
Base: 86.8% Nvidia / 13.2% AMD
New cards: 84.5% Nvidia / 15.5% AMD

DX12 share:
Base: 87.3% Nvidia / 12.7% AMD
New cards: 86.3% Nvidia / 13.7% AMD

Installed base.
AMD loses 0.3% in graphics.
Nvidia gains 0.8% in graphics.
Intel loses 0.4% in graphics.

Intel gains 0.4% in CPU.
AMD loses 0.4% in CPU.

VR Headsets rises slightly. +0.01% for VIVE. Oculus(0.10%) and VIVE(0.21%).
 
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Steam December Vulkan numbers:

GTX 1080 1.86% (+0.20%)
GTX 1070 3.50% (+0.44%)
GTX 1060 3.80% (+0.86%)
GTX 1050TI 0.42% (+0.30%)
RX 480 1.26% (+0.30%)
RX 470 (Counted as 480)
RX 460 0.34% (+0.12%)

DX12 numbers as reference.
GTX 1080 0.87% (+0.09%)
GTX 1070 1.57% (+0.22%)
GTX 1060 1.45% (+0.35%)
GTX 1050TI 0.13% (+0.09%)
RX 480 0.41% (+0.10%)
RX 470 0.12% (0.03%)
RX 460 0.11% (+0.04%)

Vulkan share:
Base: 85.7% Nvidia / 14.3% AMD
New cards: 81.1% Nvidia / 18.9% AMD

DX12 share:
Base: 86.3% Nvidia / 13.7% AMD
New cards: 81.5% Nvidia / 18.5% AMD

Installed base.
AMD loses 0.2% in graphics.
Nvidia gains 0.2% in graphics.
Intel loses 0.1% in graphics.

Intel gains 0.2% in CPU.
AMD loses 0.2% in CPU.

VR Headsets rises again. Oculus 0.12% (+0.02%) and VIVE 0.23% (+0.02%).
 
Steam January Vulkan numbers:

Well there are no Vulkan numbers yet. Steam is a little behind schedule there but I will add them as soon as they come. In the meanwhile we can take a look on the rest.

DX12 numbers as reference.
GTX 1080 0.91% (+0.02%)
GTX 1070 1.75% (+0.13%)
GTX 1060 1.84% (+0.32%)
GTX 1050TI 0.29% (+0.14%)
GTX 1050 0.11%(+0.07%)
RX 480 0.49% (+0.08%)
RX 470 0.16% (+0.03%)
RX 460 0.16% (+0.05%)

Vulkan share:
Base: ? Nvidia / ? AMD
New cards: ? Nvidia / ? AMD

DX12 share:
Base: 85.8% Nvidia / 14.2% AMD
New cards: 81.0% Nvidia / 19.0% AMD

Installed base.
AMD gains 0.1% in graphics.
Nvidia loses 0.1% in graphics.

Intel is flat in graphics.
Intel gains 0.2% in CPU.
AMD loses 0.2% in CPU.

No change in VR headsets.
 
A little confused, why are there categories with Vulkan, DX versions? I guess graphics cards come out with specific DX versions supported, but why add Vulkan numbers or am i missing something?
 
SighTurtle said:
A little confused, why are there categories with Vulkan, DX versions? I guess graphics cards come out with specific DX versions supported, but why add Vulkan numbers or am i missing something?
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There are Vulkan API updates (and corresponding version updates) and some GPUs may not have a driver which supports the latest api version (either because it's eol or because it hasn't been updated yet).
 
Dropping Vulkan since Steam doesn't seem to care about it.

DX12 systems. This requires Windows 10 with a DX12 GPU.
GTX 1080 0.97% (+0.06%)
GTX 1070 1.97% (+0.22%)
GTX 1060 2.19% (+0.35%)
GTX 1050TI 0.46% (+0.17%)
GTX 1050 0.22%(+0.11%)
RX 480 0.56% (+0.07%)
RX 470 0.19% (+0.03%)
RX 460 0.17% (+0.01%)

DX12 system share:
Base: 86.3% Nvidia / 13.7% AMD
New cards: 89.2% Nvidia / 10.8% AMD

Installed base.
AMD gains 0.2% in graphics.
Nvidia gains 1.1% in graphics.
Intel loses 1.2% in graphics.

Intel loses 0.3% in CPU.
AMD gains 0.3% in CPU.

No change in VR headsets. (Downwards trend)

DX12 GPUs alone without OS requirement.

GTX 1080 1.41% (+0.06%)
GTX 1070 3.00% (+0.31%)
GTX 1060 4.08% (+0.71%)
GTX 1050TI 1.04% (+0.40%)
GTX 1050 0.52%(+0.22%)
RX 480 0.86% (+0.09%)
RX 470 0.33% (+0.33%) *New Entry*
RX 460 0.35% (+0.03%)

DX12 GPU share:
Base: 86.7% Nvidia / 13.3% AMD
New cards: 79.1% Nvidia / 20.9% AMD *Note that new cards are messed up due to new entry of old card.)

I added DX12 GPUs alone since steam finally got that one fixed for the RX 470.
 
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ppi said:
Actually, when I compared financials ... It does not seem to be like it.

Q4/15 AMD (ends 26 Dec 2015) vs Q4/16 nVidia (ends 25 January 2016), so very comparable periods. I will make a few assumptions:
nVidia: Taking only Gaming market revenue
AMD: Taking 50% of Computing and Graphics Revenue (under assumption, that APU and server-market basically collapsed for them in 2015, and only competitive product were GPUs)
All info from respective companies investor relations pages

Q4: AMD $235m, nVidia $810m
Full year: AMD $902m, nVidia $2,818m
In both cases, nVidia is some 3.1-3.4x higher. On revenue. And they are considered to have higher ASPs.

Also, various market reports say nVidia had some 80-85% market share in 2015. And there is this 13% "Other" in the Steam survey. I wonder whether some AMD cards can't be hiding there.

Because of this, I find it difficult to accept the fact, that there are 24x more 970s than 390s(+390X), and that there are more 980Tis than 390s and 380s combined.
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Does it count people like me with 2 of them? :p I love my 390Xs...
 
AMD should spinoff video card division and bring back ATI brand. That, would be a big change.
 
LawGiver said:
I can tell u post a lot of non sense. Joined 2016 and already have more posts than me. :p
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You can try to argument for your case if you disagree. RTG started to get lower R&D funding on a regular basis since 2012. Hence lowering their competitive ability. And today its a skeleton crew. You can even hear Raja time after time saying how little resources he got to work with. And as you may know, R&D takes time.
 
LawGiver said:
AMD should spinoff video card division and bring back ATI brand. That, would be a big change.
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Can't be done, too much IP that is overlapping a seperate AMD ATi would be harmful for future development not to mention it would split resources against Intel and nV, which is bad enough right now.
 
DX12 systems. This requires Windows 10 with a DX12 GPU.
GTX 1080TI unlisted.
GTX 1080 1.12% (+0.15%)
GTX 1070 2.19% (+0.22%)
GTX 1060 2.48% (+0.29%)
GTX 1050TI 0.63% (+0.17%)
GTX 1050 0.34%(+0.12%)
RX 480 0.70% (+0.14%)
RX 470 0.22% (+0.03%)
RX 460 0.20% (+0.03%)

DX12 system share:
Base: 85.8% Nvidia / 14.2% AMD
New cards: 82.6% Nvidia / 17.4% AMD

Installed base.
AMD loses 1.5% in graphics.
Nvidia gains 1.4% in graphics.
Intel gains 0.1% in graphics.
Intel gains 1.5% in CPU.
AMD loses 1.5% in CPU.

+0.03% change in VR headsets.

DX12 GPUs alone without OS requirement.
GTX 1080TI unlisted.
GTX 1080 1.61% (+0.20%)
GTX 1070 3.26% (+0.36%)
GTX 1060 4.45% (+0.37%)
GTX 1050TI 1.33% (+0.29%)
GTX 1050 0.78%(+0.26%)
RX 480 1.05% (+0.19%)
RX 470 0.38% (+0.05%)
RX 460 0.39% (+0.04%)

DX12 GPU share:
Base: 86.3% Nvidia / 13.7% AMD
New cards: 84.1% Nvidia / 15.9% AMD
 
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Not too surprising, with all these DX12 games popping up, the budget oriented gamers would choose AMD over nVidia easily (perhaps even without the DX12 angle)

But the new nVidia DX12 drivers are still new, next month will be more interesting.
 
I'd be interested to see dx9 and 8 cards still in use. Maybe not a card by card analysis but an overall percentage of users using dx9 or 8 cards. I know I played the hell out of half life 2 on my ti4600, some people might still.
 
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