Getting pretty fucking tired of getting into a match for it to turn lopsided then the next map has a 20 player discrepancy. Everyone leaves on the short-handed side and voila, dead server. Jesus christ it can't be that difficult to have an in-match balance check that gets triggered when there's more than I dunno, a 6 player difference? Having to find new servers three or four times in a session just to find full matches is ridiculous
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CaptNumbNutz
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You're right, it's not that difficult. It doesn't matter if its software or via a live admin running the server.
That's what happens when you remove RCon and ProCon. Those tools used to be available for the battlefield series and server owners could implement them with 3rd party plugins to do it automatically. Hobbyist programmers made those tools and plugins. Hobbyist programmers fixed a lot of what was wrong with the Battlefield Online Experience. When you take more control away from the community you are left with the original content creator (DICE) to fix it. So far, they have very little experience in this area for proper server management. They left most of this work to the community for over a decade and only barely started dabbling into it with BF4.
For those of you that thought Badmins were the source of all the problems, congrats. You got everything you wished for. Our only hope is if DICE picks up the pace on server management tools.
Thing is that I see the section 8 server on my server list. Nobody is in it though? Why the f not? I don't get why everyone still joins ea servers. Playing GTA v ATM while I wait on a miracle from this game. I will say that I have had some luck with rush. I get a few good rounds in occasionally. Domination too. I think it is BC the lower player count. If I can get into a half decent squad I can have a much bigger impact on the game than in conquest.
Meh, there are two sides to it. I don't miss the annoying autobalancers of BF3 and BF4. Too many times you could be having a good round, finally turning the tide on the other team, then the children on the other team start quitting, and boom, you're separated from your squad and teammates and switched to the losing team in the middle of the game. Lame.
And let's not forget all the annoying !punish and !forgive chatbox nonsense that went on all round on HC servers. Or getting auto-kicked for doing too well on a server (ie >5:1 kdr)
I do not miss all that petty bullshit.
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IdiotInCharge
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I don't see why that stuff cannot get reigned in, though.
Particularly auto-balance, as to why it wasn't defaulting to balancing the newest arrivals first, so if you contributed to a lead, you stayed unless the server was just really dying.
Particularly auto-balance, as to why it wasn't defaulting to balancing the newest arrivals first, so if you contributed to a lead, you stayed unless the server was just really dying.
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But for every one of those servers, there were 10 more that didn't do it for those very reasons. Those were specific settings on ProCon 3rd party plugins. You could ALWAYS switch servers to one that better fit you. ALWAYS.
All the bitching and complaining forced DICE's hand. They took over this responsibility well before they were capable of doing it. As a a result, we get no admin tools at launch and barely any of the truly important admin tools now 4 months after launch. We finally get kick/ban, but at what cost? Only the server owner has those privileges. There used to be automated tools to handle the bullshit after hours, or even the ability to *gasp* assign multiple admins to handle various times throughout the day. Now the owner of the server is literally the only one who can deal with this stuff. He has to be signed in with his own EA account.
Our clan had nearly 500 people in it's battlefield division alone at the peak of BF4 and ran 5 servers. Now we run one BF1 server which we can almost never keep going and one BF4 server through NFO and the population of our community is dropping fast having switched to other more popular FPS like R6:S and Overwatch. Fortunately, my Clan community is massive and gladly took those members into their ranks when they switched games.
The whole thing has played out almost exactly as people predicted last summer when they first heard the news. There are a few things that did not transpire despite predictions. The real question now is, "has Battlefield series hit rock bottom yet on PC?" Maybe, maybe not, but it leaves a lot they could potentially rebuild from the ground up if DICE does things right.
Pretty much this. I play BF1 every night, but now I play with my real life friends. Where as none of them played BF3 and Bf4 as much as I did. Or I was so busy with other teams doing competitive that I never had time to play with friends.
A lot has to do with the fact that BF1 doesn't have much content right now. There are hardly any custom servers so "clans" are not playing as much, and you don't feel like you have a place to go so to speak. While the game is fun, it's more casual now.
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Yea Dice killed the pc BF1 community. That server browser is complete shit. I honestly think Dice is going the way of COD and just wants straight matchmaking.
Hardcore servers? What a joke.....was looking forward to playing hardcore on good community servers, but all I ever see is those fucking Dice servers empty.
Hopefully Dice learns from this?
Hardcore servers? What a joke.....was looking forward to playing hardcore on good community servers, but all I ever see is those fucking Dice servers empty.
Hopefully Dice learns from this?
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With luck, if DICE doesn't get its act together maybe DICE LA will become the Treyarch of Battlefield. Although they did botch some patches, which seems to be inherent to the series. Played some Dawnbreaker Conquest Large, and I had a lot more fun in BF4 than I did in 1.
Its been out for a while, its called back to basics.
That's something that pissed me off right away with BF1: How do you not implement the changes made to BF4, the ones that can logically be carried over, into BF1 to have a better game right off the bat?
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Going by the devs, they prioritized having the game stable and without major problems (like BF4 had at launch) than trying to have all the good features that BF4 had past it's 2+ years of launch. Now it's when they start adding some features in the comings DLC's and patches.
I understand your points, I too miss some features from BF4 (for example, being able to fade out the objectives name and letter), but i prefer to have a stable game at launch and then gradually have more features.
I understand your points, I too miss some features from BF4 (for example, being able to fade out the objectives name and letter), but i prefer to have a stable game at launch and then gradually have more features.
Fuck that noise. Seriously. The lack of server/game control with that fucked up matchmaking bullshit is an egregious and series killing error.
Stable but a crappy game with a random and frustrating player base? They are not rolling in any actually useful server changes. The private servers are dead. The community is dead. Competitive play is dead.
That is not acceptable. They can and should have released the game with the same level of server options as BF3 and 4.
Not taking a shot at you btw. Just my opinion about the subject.
Stable but a crappy game with a random and frustrating player base? They are not rolling in any actually useful server changes. The private servers are dead. The community is dead. Competitive play is dead.
That is not acceptable. They can and should have released the game with the same level of server options as BF3 and 4.
Not taking a shot at you btw. Just my opinion about the subject.
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estrangeiro14
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I kinda guessed before reading this.
I think the majority of the community thinks that way.
This game got a lot of things wrong, I agree with some things you said. BF4 had a strong sense of community until the very end (still has) and this game threw that out the window.
But when you play with friends, I do that almost every day, those problems are easily put away and you start to enjoy the game (mostly). The game balance is off sometimes (be it in out favor or against) and not having a regular server managed by good admins shows.
I think a lot of those solutions came out because of poor sportsmanship.
You need a !punish/!forgive as it provides a system to remove the player who just wants to team kill.
I have never seen the 5:1 kdr kick but it makes sense. If you are skilled enough to have a 5+:1 kdr then you are hurting your own experience and everyone else as well. You aren't getting a challenge, and the less-skilled people aren't having any fun.
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To be fair, the CTE in BF4 was run by DICE LA and helped fixed an astronomical amount of game balance issues and bugs that DICE Sweden never got around to fixing.
I'm glad they are implementing the Community Test Environment again because it is incredibly disturbing that part of EA/DICE simply does not give a flying fuck about the community. I really hope the fact that EA has to foot the bill for almost all of the total active servers and that people stop buying the DLC's mean the dollar signs start to shrink to the point they finally begin to listen.
I hope DICE LA gets to do lead on the next battlefield title. They fixed DICE Sweden's BF4 mess and they are hopefully fixing the BF1 mess too.
Sorry but no, that's just bull. I normally achieve around 2-3kdr and have fun, you know how pissed i would be if im having an amazing game with a good squad and im kicked automaticly for it. I love Games where I just dominate because they don't happen tons and it's nice to feel like your l33t for 1 match lol
IdiotInCharge
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You'd be instabanned just for doing alright in a vehicle at 5:1...
You think that hurts my experience compared to having grenades spammed like bukakke all over my face? It's certainly a challenge to stay alive at a 5:1 or however high you can go because it draws a shit ton of attention and people get desperate to kill you in whatever vehicle you're in. Doing exceptionally well is its own reward for proper positioning, spatial awareness, skill and outright luck.
PSA :
u can still activate a week long - free trial of origin access until the 7th of March
every origin access subscriber is entitled to a 10hour long trial of BF1
so u can still try before you buy ! it's about 42gigs and my experience with the trial was not very good, I'd rather give 25$ for an origin access subscription to EA than 30+ for this casual-fest, BF4 classic conquest large 48p is where it's at !!
u can still activate a week long - free trial of origin access until the 7th of March
every origin access subscriber is entitled to a 10hour long trial of BF1
so u can still try before you buy ! it's about 42gigs and my experience with the trial was not very good, I'd rather give 25$ for an origin access subscription to EA than 30+ for this casual-fest, BF4 classic conquest large 48p is where it's at !!
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i play both BF1 and BF4, both are fun and offer somewhat different experiences.
"This game is so bad I UNINSTALLED 3 TIMES!
...BRB, re-installing........"
Seriously, how many times have you uninstalled now?
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Can't you grab a spinner to archive games off to, if space is the issue? This is how I deal with it (though since picking up a 960GB Ultra II for well under US$200 last Prime Day, I haven't had to...).
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you just need to be less schizophrenic with your opinion of BF1. the way you railed against it in this thread during the EA Access i figured you wouldn't even purchase the game. personally if i don't like a game i may make one comment on it, but then i move on. trying to convince yourself to like a game is a waste of time man.
I love launching horses:
LOL @ horse launch, so good.
I'll echo everyone else on this thread. BF1 is fun but the server browser/community/lack of private server tools are unforgivable. Insane that it is MARCH and no real progress has been made. BF4 was so much better in this regard. Glad Section 8's BF4 server is still going strong.
estrangeiro14
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Yeah, but don't forget the problems that plagued BF4 in it's first year or so.
I'm too displeased with the state of the server rental. I help to shot some cinematics from time to time and having to search for an empty server and get lucky that no one joins that.. Time that could be better used. But, at least, we got a mostly working game (some bugs but almost all of them small).
I'm too displeased with the state of the server rental. I help to shot some cinematics from time to time and having to search for an empty server and get lucky that no one joins that.. Time that could be better used. But, at least, we got a mostly working game (some bugs but almost all of them small).
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The problems with BF4 were not suck ass gameplay, they were mostly stability issues IIRC. I did not ununstall BF1 yet as disk space is cheap.. on that note I have not played in nearly 2 months either. BF1 in it's current state simply has too few redeeming qualities.. it's not fun to play. That's a hard hurdle to get over for a new title. Went back to BF4, looking at the BF1 HC server browser a lot of folks have voted with their feet.
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Alright... we need some good news on BF1 for a change.
I got a chance to play the CTE. I will share my thoughts.
I got to play 3 of the 4 maps in the DLC. Saissons (pronounced "soy-saw"), Rupture, and Fort Vaux ("Voh") and try some new weapons as well as play with weapon changes.
There is also a new "Map Vote" feature. It's awesome and really well integrated. It just shows up at bottom of screen at end of round with pictures and names of the maps to vote on and you click the button. They include counters to tell how many people voted for which one. No more voting by typing in chat like previous battlefield games.
Fort Vaux is the new CQB map (Metro, Operation Locker) with a MAJOR difference. Metro and Operation Locker were linear, with only a few flanking routes which created stupid bottlenecks. Fort Daveux kicks ass with dozens of flanking routes. Sure, you will run into situations where everyone is stuck facing off in hallways, but people can then find 4 other directions to go. High DPS weapons will reign supreme here, so very few medics or snipers will rake in kills. Medics and Support have chance to rack up massive points with ammo, health crates, and revivals.
Saissons is an excellent map. It has a massive hill overlooking a small town with lots of cover, as well as a chateau on one end of the map. The hill has a couple small trench forts on it, but is otherwise really open. Expect snipers, but expect plenty of routes you can take to flank them.
Rupture is... meh. It's two bases on each side flanking a shallow river that has a bridge crossing. Unfortunately though, the river banks are pretty steep and you have zero cover trying to swim across the shallows or sprint across the mud. There is a massive bridge crossing it that will hold the new behemoth. The bridge is destructible. Unfortunately, the bridge is the only piece of cover between the river banks AND has the middle flag of the map. It will be hotly contested territory. This is one place where you accusing campers of being trolls would literally be true, as they are hiding out under a bridge.
The biggest issues with the new outdoor maps is the small flag capture area. This means that people often clump together to capture the flag which results in MASSIVE killstreaks for a vehicles that happen to attack in the middle of that process, ESPECIALLY bombers.
The new Behemoth, Char 2C super tank, is crazy. It's a moving fortress. It drives slower than your soldier can run, but is near invincible. Each AT grenade, mine, or AT rocket hit does 1% damage to it so you really have to attack it with the stationary guns and heavy tanks to take it down quick. Fortunately, it's prone to getting stuck in the trench areas which makes it a sitting duck. If your driver is competent, he will keep this tank out in the open and just absorb very few blows as the other turrets keep infantry at bay. The main gun is slow re-loading, is a slow shell, and arcs heavily. It will 1 shot light tanks and 2 shot on a heavy tank (first shot likely to disable). It has a machine gun in front and one on both sides, but they are incredibly inaccurate and you can barely hit things 30 meters away. As crazy as the main cannon is, the rear turret is the real scary one. It has around 200+ degrees of swivel covering the entire rear end and sides. The rear cannon is the same infantry nightmare that's on the front of the bomber and used on the Flanker Light Tank variant. The entire tank has no defense against aircraft unless they fly too low.
The new heavy tank, the St. Chamond ("Saint Sha-mawn"), is almost a clone of the A7V as far as capabilities (machine gun on 4 sides + cannon on front), but it has a lower profile and can hide behind mud hills easier. I will say it "feels" a little faster. It's also a bit ungainly because it's really long, but the treads are tiny. It will often get stuck trying to cross over a trench. It does have a secret weapon... if you are being over-run you can launch a pigeon that calls in a possibly suicidal artillery strike on your position. Another odd thing about this tank is it is really quiet. Sometimes you can't hear it unless it's right up on top of you.
The Automatico has had a significant nerf by adding massive side to side recoil. Unfortunately, that isn't the kind of nerf it needs. The damn thing is so OP up close, more recoil makes little to no difference. What it needed was a rate of fire and/or damage per shot nerf.
The new Assault weapon, Ribey-Rolles ("Rib-ae Roll") is excellent. I call it the Ribeye (like the steak). Like a Ribeye steak, this thing is amazing. It's the closest you will get to an assault rifle, even better than the HellReigel with a high rate of fire and consistent shot placement at medium range...almost like an M416 from BF4. The only bad thing about this weapon is the mission to unlock it requires 20 headshots with the MP18 Optical. The slow firing piece of shit that can't hit 2 shots in the same spot MP18 Optical. It will take you hours to get it unless you do nothing but ambushing snipers and popping them in the back of the head at a range of a half meter or less.
The new Support Weapon, the Cheauchat ("Show-Shaw") is great. I only got to use the low weight version without the scope. It has an extremely slow rate of fire, low mag count (20), slow reload times, but offsets this with much higher damage per shot. It doesn't quite get more accurate with each shot like the other LMG's and is fairly inaccurate at mid-range while you are standing/crouching so it might need some more tweaking. The slow rate of fire makes these situations worse. Expect to go prone with it often if needing to shoot mid-range. Close range is a whole other story. This thing is an absolute beast up close and will kill you with only 2 or 3 bullets depending on shot placement. Expect to get killed with it quite frequently in Ft. Daveux.
The new Scout Weapon, the Lebel is meh. It's closest comparison is the Gewahr M95, but with a larger mag and slightly slower rate of fire.
I haven't tried the new Medic Weapon, the RSC. Everything I'm hearing is it is the new go-to Medic weapon but I'm not sure why.
I got a chance to play the CTE. I will share my thoughts.
I got to play 3 of the 4 maps in the DLC. Saissons (pronounced "soy-saw"), Rupture, and Fort Vaux ("Voh") and try some new weapons as well as play with weapon changes.
There is also a new "Map Vote" feature. It's awesome and really well integrated. It just shows up at bottom of screen at end of round with pictures and names of the maps to vote on and you click the button. They include counters to tell how many people voted for which one. No more voting by typing in chat like previous battlefield games.
Fort Vaux is the new CQB map (Metro, Operation Locker) with a MAJOR difference. Metro and Operation Locker were linear, with only a few flanking routes which created stupid bottlenecks. Fort Daveux kicks ass with dozens of flanking routes. Sure, you will run into situations where everyone is stuck facing off in hallways, but people can then find 4 other directions to go. High DPS weapons will reign supreme here, so very few medics or snipers will rake in kills. Medics and Support have chance to rack up massive points with ammo, health crates, and revivals.
Saissons is an excellent map. It has a massive hill overlooking a small town with lots of cover, as well as a chateau on one end of the map. The hill has a couple small trench forts on it, but is otherwise really open. Expect snipers, but expect plenty of routes you can take to flank them.
Rupture is... meh. It's two bases on each side flanking a shallow river that has a bridge crossing. Unfortunately though, the river banks are pretty steep and you have zero cover trying to swim across the shallows or sprint across the mud. There is a massive bridge crossing it that will hold the new behemoth. The bridge is destructible. Unfortunately, the bridge is the only piece of cover between the river banks AND has the middle flag of the map. It will be hotly contested territory. This is one place where you accusing campers of being trolls would literally be true, as they are hiding out under a bridge.
The biggest issues with the new outdoor maps is the small flag capture area. This means that people often clump together to capture the flag which results in MASSIVE killstreaks for a vehicles that happen to attack in the middle of that process, ESPECIALLY bombers.
The new Behemoth, Char 2C super tank, is crazy. It's a moving fortress. It drives slower than your soldier can run, but is near invincible. Each AT grenade, mine, or AT rocket hit does 1% damage to it so you really have to attack it with the stationary guns and heavy tanks to take it down quick. Fortunately, it's prone to getting stuck in the trench areas which makes it a sitting duck. If your driver is competent, he will keep this tank out in the open and just absorb very few blows as the other turrets keep infantry at bay. The main gun is slow re-loading, is a slow shell, and arcs heavily. It will 1 shot light tanks and 2 shot on a heavy tank (first shot likely to disable). It has a machine gun in front and one on both sides, but they are incredibly inaccurate and you can barely hit things 30 meters away. As crazy as the main cannon is, the rear turret is the real scary one. It has around 200+ degrees of swivel covering the entire rear end and sides. The rear cannon is the same infantry nightmare that's on the front of the bomber and used on the Flanker Light Tank variant. The entire tank has no defense against aircraft unless they fly too low.
The new heavy tank, the St. Chamond ("Saint Sha-mawn"), is almost a clone of the A7V as far as capabilities (machine gun on 4 sides + cannon on front), but it has a lower profile and can hide behind mud hills easier. I will say it "feels" a little faster. It's also a bit ungainly because it's really long, but the treads are tiny. It will often get stuck trying to cross over a trench. It does have a secret weapon... if you are being over-run you can launch a pigeon that calls in a possibly suicidal artillery strike on your position. Another odd thing about this tank is it is really quiet. Sometimes you can't hear it unless it's right up on top of you.
The Automatico has had a significant nerf by adding massive side to side recoil. Unfortunately, that isn't the kind of nerf it needs. The damn thing is so OP up close, more recoil makes little to no difference. What it needed was a rate of fire and/or damage per shot nerf.
The new Assault weapon, Ribey-Rolles ("Rib-ae Roll") is excellent. I call it the Ribeye (like the steak). Like a Ribeye steak, this thing is amazing. It's the closest you will get to an assault rifle, even better than the HellReigel with a high rate of fire and consistent shot placement at medium range...almost like an M416 from BF4. The only bad thing about this weapon is the mission to unlock it requires 20 headshots with the MP18 Optical. The slow firing piece of shit that can't hit 2 shots in the same spot MP18 Optical. It will take you hours to get it unless you do nothing but ambushing snipers and popping them in the back of the head at a range of a half meter or less.
The new Support Weapon, the Cheauchat ("Show-Shaw") is great. I only got to use the low weight version without the scope. It has an extremely slow rate of fire, low mag count (20), slow reload times, but offsets this with much higher damage per shot. It doesn't quite get more accurate with each shot like the other LMG's and is fairly inaccurate at mid-range while you are standing/crouching so it might need some more tweaking. The slow rate of fire makes these situations worse. Expect to go prone with it often if needing to shoot mid-range. Close range is a whole other story. This thing is an absolute beast up close and will kill you with only 2 or 3 bullets depending on shot placement. Expect to get killed with it quite frequently in Ft. Daveux.
The new Scout Weapon, the Lebel is meh. It's closest comparison is the Gewahr M95, but with a larger mag and slightly slower rate of fire.
I haven't tried the new Medic Weapon, the RSC. Everything I'm hearing is it is the new go-to Medic weapon but I'm not sure why.
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Chapeau
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Can someone please fill me in: BF1 for dummies..
Specifically - which game version to buy? ( std/deluxe/ultimate)
Is the premium pass worth it or necessary?
Specifically - which game version to buy? ( std/deluxe/ultimate)
Is the premium pass worth it or necessary?