Ryzen 1700 Delid Video...Solder Baby

Uh, did he get this stuff early through retail channels or is he violating some NDAs here? :confused:
 
It depends on how he acquired the processor. He may not have signed an NDA.
 
Would an NDA typically cover delidding? I mean he's not showing any tests, heck we don't even know if it actually works but he just mentions that it seems to have worked.
 
Hahahaha NICE! Intel really fucked up by putting cheap TIM on their Kaby processor. AMD's like, fuck that shit, were gonna solder these muthers!!
 
Would an NDA typically cover delidding? I mean he's not showing any tests, heck we don't even know if it actually works but he just mentions that it seems to have worked.
I would think it would be fine for him to do it. I don't think many test samples get sent back and if he's not giving other results until the weekend should be fine.

Let's hope it lived though we don't want too many dead Ryzen chips this early on. :p
 
Would an NDA typically cover delidding? I mean he's not showing any tests, heck we don't even know if it actually works but he just mentions that it seems to have worked.
The same as my thoughts. All he did was showed that it was possible to delid and what the TIM was under the spreader. It's not like we haven't seen plenty of other videos from others showing the CPU and such. It's likely that AMD didn't cover material design as part of the NDA and probably doesn't care if this kind of good news gets out anyway.
 
Would an NDA typically cover delidding? I mean he's not showing any tests, heck we don't even know if it actually works but he just mentions that it seems to have worked.

NDA's are typically worded in such a way as to silence reviewers and anyone under NDA about pretty much everything. The coverage isn't necessarily absolute but it's pretty damn close.

Hahahaha NICE! Intel really fucked up by putting cheap TIM on their Kaby processor. AMD's like, fuck that shit, were gonna solder these muthers!!

Haha I needed a laugh today. This statement means what exactly? What do you think a nicer TIM means? It doesn't necessarily mean anything. Ryzen may not overclock all that well despite using solder. Did you ever think of that? Good TIM doesn't make a processor a good overclocker. Some architectures do not scale well with increased clock speed. They can suffer from transistor leakage and become horribly inefficient. All things being equal a better TIM is better. No doubt about it, but we can't assume anything based on that alone. AMD is not a fucking hero because they chose to use a decent TIM. They may have had no choice because the damn thing runs too hot otherwise. We don't know yet.

I would think it would be fine for him to do it. I don't think many test samples get sent back and if he's not giving other results until the weekend should be fine.

Let's hope it lived though we don't want too many dead Ryzen chips this early on. :p

If he's under NDA, its not really fine unless AMD chooses to ignore it. As for the test sample, he's probably OK because we don't normally have to send back test CPUs. Engineering samples are technically not ours but I've never seen a manufacturer ask for their CPU's back either. Another possibility is that AMD allowed this or even supported the video.
 
havent amd chips been soldered for years? not sure why this is news/surprise to anybody....
yeah like the leaked review if he got a retail piece then its not covered by nda, especially if he didnt sign anything. intel cant do shit!
 
If he's under NDA, its not really fine unless AMD chooses to ignore it. As for the test sample, he's probably OK because we don't normally have to send back test CPUs. Engineering samples are technically not ours but I've never seen a manufacturer ask for their CPU's back either. Another possibility is that AMD allowed this or even supported the video.

People do continue to ask about Intel chips every release so it could make sense for AMD to have supported it. Even if only in the hearts and minds battle using solder instead of tim should help people think more positively about the chips . Every bit of positivity helps change people's "value only" perception of AMD.
 
So it looks like the 8-core is a two chip solution? I'm not surprised but it's interesting. I suspected it would be.
 
So it looks like the 8-core is a two chip solution? I'm not surprised but it's interesting. I suspected it would be.
I noticed the separation in the solder too. This doesn't mean it's two chips though, as that's a long area to apply solder in one place.
 
Are you sure.. I thought Germany was on the other side of the International date late. Damnit me! It's only 4 hours to tomorrow there!

Where are our Australian reviews? ;)

the NDA should be until 12 am cst 3/2/17 so even if it was australia they'd have to wait til 12 am central US time.
 
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Not a 2-chip solution, look at the die shots around here in the other threads.

EDIT: check here, someone posted a sexy pic or two about it:

https://hardforum.com/threads/ryzen-8-core-is-actually-made-of-2-quad-dies.1926166/

Yeah I was just going by the video, it sorta looks like a seam halfway down the die though it's hard to tell under the left over solder. So that must mean their 4-core solution is either going to be a full 8-core with half disabled or it's own production run.
 
Yeah I was just going by the video, it sorta looks like a seam halfway down the die though it's hard to tell under the left over solder. So that must mean their 4-core solution is either going to be a full 8-core with half disabled or it's own production run.
the split in the middle is because there are TWO solder pads. he clearly says it in the video. it is NOT 2 separate dies.
 
Not a 2-chip solution, look at the die shots around here in the other threads.

EDIT: check here, someone posted a sexy pic or two about it:

https://hardforum.com/threads/ryzen-8-core-is-actually-made-of-2-quad-dies.1926166/

Yeah, that was before I saw the video. I thought it was thermal paste/TIM like Intel chips. If it was paste, that line shouldn't be there on one chip.

Really cool that they hard soldered to the heat spreader instead of the paste route that Intel does.
 
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