AMD Ryzen 1700X on the [H] Test Bench

fingerbob69 said:
The old conspiracy rumour mill is moving up a gear. Latest is that review sites are getting lots of hints and suggestions on how to bench Ryzen.

"Cinebench may be seen as a non-representative benchmark for some but SemiAccurate is confident that Ryzen’s performance will hold up across a wide range of benchmarks. This last bit may explain why Intel PR sent out a last-minute “call us before you write” email to most of the press, but not SemiAccurate, after hours last night. You could infer that they are suddenly really worried about something. In case we read that wrong, they should be."
http://semiaccurate.com/2017/02/22/amds-ryzen-7-1800x-beats-intels-i7-6900k-half-price/


Can anyone from [H] confirm that they're hearing the same thing ...or have even had such suggestions made directly?
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Wait, so now Cinebench has become an unrepresentative benchmark? when did this happen, somewhere between "new horizons" and the 22/2 NDA lift?

Cinebench is about as representative as it gets, and it is very representative of AMD being very good.
 
CSI_PC said:
I have read mixed things about Hairworks and depends upon the developer, seems to suck equally on both AMD and Nvidia.
Thanks for heads-up on PhysX, kinda sucks.
I keep reading conflicting reports about Hairworks even for Witcher 3, although tessellation is a nightmare as most know with the hair, but it still has a computation element as well.
I tend to think your right but no-one seems to know for sure.
Cheers
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Wasn't just the tessellation but the MSAA x8 on top of that for the hair.
 
If a site doesn't spam me with popups, I whitelist it immediately. Never got the mindset of "fuck ads", especially on the sites that offer you content you go back to, cause how the hell do you expect them to pay their bills? Magic? There are a few sites that are using Patreon to fund their existence that I pay into. I don't like seeing the bill every month in my email. I would rather not have to in the future decide if I wanted to pay X amount to just read a article or god forbid, Kyle starts selling out for money to live. And don't give me that bullshit about malicious ads, maybe I'm just lucky (or you all look at some weird shit), I've haven't had a problem with that in years.
 
SighTurtle said:
If a site doesn't spam me with popups, I whitelist it immediately. Never got the mindset of "fuck ads", especially on the sites that offer you content you go back to, cause how the hell do you expect them to pay their bills? Magic? There are a few sites that are using Patreon to fund their existence that I pay into. I don't like seeing the bill every month in my email. I would rather not have to in the future decide if I wanted to pay X amount to just read a article or god forbid, Kyle starts selling out for money to live. And don't give me that bullshit about malicious ads, maybe I'm just lucky (or you all look at some weird shit), I've haven't had a problem with that in years.
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I hate ads that are animated, use pop-ups, auto-play video or audio, have a drastically different color scheme than the page you are viewing, or are for pr0n or completely irrelevant things.

Other than that I have no problem whitelisting pages, and I whitelist HardOCP and forums out of principle.

Unfortunately most sites can't be trusted to stick with unobtrusive ads as I have described above.
 
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Zarathustra[H] said:
I hate ads that are animated, use pop-ups, auto-play video or audio, have a drastically different color scheme than the page you are viewing, or are for pr0n or completely irrelevant things.

Other than that I have no problem whitelisting pages, and I whitelist HardOCP and forums out of principle.

Unfortunately most sites can't be trusted to stick with unobtrusive ada as I have described above.
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I get that. Personally, I dont mind that stuff.

Shoot.....if the Wall Street Journal let me look at their site for a 1-5 minute ad, I would jump on that. But thats me, they can have my time, I hate losing money.
 
Kyle, ya'll better throw in some VR testing with this or I'm gonna BE PIS, err, disappointed... :D
 
SighTurtle said:
I get that. Personally, I dont mind that stuff.

Shoot.....if the Wall Street Journal let me look at their site for a 1-5 minute ad, I would jump on that. But thats me, they can have my time, I hate losing money.
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Time IS money :p

5 minutes is 1/12th of an hour of billable time. :p
 
ecmaster76 said:
Well, there is this:
http://wccftech.com/intel-amd-price-war-ryzen-processors/

The Intel price cuts are live at Microcenter a week before Zen hits. When was the last time Intel tried to get a jump on an AMD release? Looks like 20% across the board

I think that's a pretty good hint how good these Ryzen parts will be.
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I don't think that's a standard Intel price cut. 6900k is still $1000 when it should be half that. Intel is F'd this year if they don't respond with serious price cuts on their 6 and 8 core CPUs.
 
If it performs as expected and Intel doesn't drop prices then sales will suffer. If that is what you mean by "F'd". The company isn't going to suffer. Not much anyway. When X299 comes out they may clearly regain the lead again and will probably charge high prices for those products while cutting prices on the older stuff. The older stuff (6800/6850K etc.) ends up then being pretty competitive with Ryzen and the flagship X299 will command the ridiculous high prices because AMD won't have anything to compete. Yet anyway.
 
Riptide_NVN said:
If it performs as expected and Intel doesn't drop prices then sales will suffer. If that is what you mean by "F'd". The company isn't going to suffer. Not much anyway. When X299 comes out they may clearly regain the lead again and will probably charge high prices for those products while cutting prices on the older stuff. The older stuff (6800/6850K etc.) ends up then being pretty competitive with Ryzen and the flagship X299 will command the ridiculous high prices because AMD won't have anything to compete. Yet anyway.
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There is nothing on intel roadmap that screams blow away performance by any of the upcoming CPUs. They have clock speed advantage and AMD will probably counter that with Zen+, thats all they have to do. It will be a competitive market for some time to come if Ryzen is truly as impressive as the rumors suggest, I mean some solid rumors. The leaks have mostly been very positive so far and kyle telling everyone to not be a pussy and preorder goes a long way in my book. He won't comment on it but I don't see him telling people to go buy ryzen if he didn't stand behind the product.
 
So since it looks like the boards are going to have an issue with higher clocked memory with 4 slots populated at first, theoretically what kind of timings could I tighten 3200 14-14-14-34 down to at 2400mhz or so where it should run? TBH I haven't bothered overclocking RAM since the early DDR3 days, I just find a kit with XMP I like and go with it.
 
NKD said:
TThey have clock speed advantage and AMD will probably counter that with Zen+, thats all they have to do
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Correct hence my ending statement "yet anyway". Gen2 Ryzen will probably be better competition for the X299 junk. In the interim X299 will hold the crown but will cost more than Ryzen. Think current prices for high end Intel stuff. As in expensive.

It will hopefully be a tit for tat. That is what we want to see. With AMD maintaining a position to stay in the market.
 
Glad to see/hear RyZen at HardOCP being tested - GREAT STUFF! For me this is more interesting then the 1800x since being 25% cheaper.

I use my own add blocker - if the site abuses adds to such an extent that it prevents me from reading what I want to read I don't go there. Toms Hardware I rarely go there, usually now just an interesting link from here gets me there or a Google search. As for me going their regularly - nope. WTFTECH - Same, many others as well.

HardOCP gets A+ for the right advertising, linking items being talked about etc. and not having pop-ups of condones, ED pills, over 40 testosterone boosters and endless links that take you away from the site :)LOL:). Not only that, Kyle and gang has sold me on buying more stuff then any other site ever has. Name a few:
  1. Radeon R9 Nano Small Form Factor Competition Review - Which got me to build a custom SFF case to boot based on the info provided and some rather awesome forums (some of the best information was crunched in those pages in order to successfully build this)
  2. Corsair SF600 600W SFX Power Supply Review - If you pass HardOCP testing - you just bought a 10 year power supply
  3. Intel Skylake Core i7-6700K IPC & Overclocking Review
  4. Scythe FUMA SCFM-1000 Twin Tower CPU Air Cooler - (finding Diamonds and Gold looks like HardOCP speciality)
  5. HTC Vive - I would have never ever bought the Vive but showing the games, results and fun sold me over and I couldn't be more happier with that purchase!
So in a nutshell - here the advertising is the best I've ever seen working extremely well with this site, compliments it and the straight talk, straight to the point combined with probably the best tech forums in this solar system works extremely well for everyone. My 2 cents.
 
LigTasm said:
So since it looks like the boards are going to have an issue with higher clocked memory with 4 slots populated at first, theoretically what kind of timings could I tighten 3200 14-14-14-34 down to at 2400mhz or so where it should run? TBH I haven't bothered overclocking RAM since the early DDR3 days, I just find a kit with XMP I like and go with it.
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Go down to 11-11-11 -28. Sounds like you have the same G.Skill dimms, except mine are 16GB each , and I only have 2 modules. Using 2 dimms instead of populating all slots puts less stress on the IMC no matter what dual channel format you are using. I learned that lesson when I was using a piledriver cpu and piledriver had a weak IMC. This assumes a 2400 MHZ clock.
 
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os2wiz said:
Go down to 11-11-11 -28. Sounds like you have the same G.Skill dimms, except mine are 16GB each , and I only have 2 modules. Using 2 dimms instead of populating all slots puts less stress on the IMC no matter what dual channel format you are using. I learned that lesson when I was using a piledriver cpu and piledriver had a weak IMC. This assumes a 2400 MHZ clock.
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Unfortunately its a 32GB kit from my Z170 build, and I don't really want to get rid of it because it was ungodly expensive with the LEDs on the top. So if I want to use all 4 modules until they update the boards I guess I'll run it at 2400.
 
JustReason said:
Wasn't just the tessellation but the MSAA x8 on top of that for the hair.
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Good point I forgot it defaults to 8xMSAA.
And a pain as changing the config will vary with each game and some it may not be possible at all.
Game devs should default this at 2, but I do not think any of them have done this.
Thankfully it can be changed to that in Witcher 3 (ini file).
Thanks
 
os2wiz said:
Go down to 11-11-11 -28. Sounds like you have the same G.Skill dimms, except mine are 16GB each , and I only have 2 modules. Using 2 dimms instead of populating all slots puts less stress on the IMC no matter what dual channel format you are using. I learned that lesson when I was using a piledriver cpu and piledriver had a weak IMC. This assumes a 2400 MHZ clock.
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I hope this isn't the case. I need 64GB, and there aren't any 32GB sticks yet...
 
JustReason said:
hopefully if it's anything like the FXs just have to inc voltage to NB and ram.
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From what I recall of my server I ran on an FX8120 (and later an 8350) it would do 1866 with two sticks, but refuse to go over 1600 with 4 sticks.
 
Looking forward to this and all other reviews. Still buying on day one and pre ordered.
 
Real glad I ended up going w/ 16GB x 2 on the rig because of these RAM speed rumors. I guess that's the risk of pre-ordering a bunch of parts without seeing any reviews.
 
Zarathustra[H] said:
From what I recall of my server I ran on an FX8120 (and later an 8350) it would do 1866 with two sticks, but refuse to go over 1600 with 4 sticks.
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my first set of corsair 16gb (4x4) wouldn't do 1mhz over 1600. So I just recently bought 2400 gskill with the intent of hitting 1866 and maybe 2133. Well 2133 was easy and I run at 2200 for now (haven't tried higher yet). But higher voltages on the NB and ram was a must. They are completely and utterly stable (I was shocked).
 
mdaniel said:
Any word on the time that the NDA lifts tomorrow?
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I can't comment specifically, as I am not read in on the NDA (I just post news), but from what I recall of these things in the past, all details of the NDA, including when the NDA lifts (even including whether or not there is an NDA at all) are part of the NDA.
 
Cancelled my Pre Order with Newegg today. I pre ordered on the 22nd and they were saying my Mainboard would not be available until March 7th, no thanks. I also pre ordered at Microcenter so I will be picking my cpu up there on the 2nd of March along with a Asus Crosshair VI Hero that will be available on the 2nd of March. :)

However, I did by another 16GB Kit of ram to give me 32GB total. Games are starting to take advantage of 16GB already and the more, the merrier. It is G Skill stuff running at 2800 and although 4 x 8GB will initially run slower, frequency wise, they will be fixed in time. Otherwise, I can just tighten the ram timings for the time being.
 
What did the website say availability was going to be on the day you made the pre-order? If it said the 2nd of March on the day you made the order. You would've been fine I think. They allocate so many pre-orders for the stock they get on the 2nd. If you get in then you get one on the 2nd. Once those orders sold out they put the next date they expect another shipment on for orders that came in after yours.

Could be wrong but that is my understanding.
 
ManofGod said:
Cancelled my Pre Order with Newegg today. I pre ordered on the 22nd and they were saying my Mainboard would not be available until March 7th, no thanks. I also pre ordered at Microcenter so I will be picking my cpu up there on the 2nd of March along with a Asus Crosshair VI Hero that will be available on the 2nd of March. :)

However, I did by another 16GB Kit of ram to give me 32GB total. Games are starting to take advantage of 16GB already and the more, the merrier. It is G Skill stuff running at 2800 and although 4 x 8GB will initially run slower, frequency wise, they will be fixed in time. Otherwise, I can just tighten the ram timings for the time being.
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Is the memory frequency issue with 4 DIMMS a motherboard hardware, BIOS issue, or CPU issue?
 
Seems like motherboards are on delay pretty much everywhere. Here in Slovakia ASRock has expected shipping date of 17th, Gigabyte on 7th, ASUS and MSI has no date whatsoever.
 
Nirad9er said:
Is the memory frequency issue with 4 DIMMS a motherboard hardware, BIOS issue, or CPU issue?
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Seems like Motherboard\Bios according to Asus statements.
And 2 Dimms seems to be unaffected( as in fixed) using 1-3 ( out of 0-4) dimm slots.

faugusztin said:
Seems like motherboards are on delay pretty much everywhere. Here in Slovakia ASRock has expected shipping date of 17th, Gigabyte on 7th, ASUS and MSI has no date whatsoever.
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To begin with I saw march 2nd for all here in Norway for launch, now it's almost 7th+ for everything.
 
Riptide_NVN said:
What did the website say availability was going to be on the day you made the pre-order? If it said the 2nd of March on the day you made the order. You would've been fine I think. They allocate so many pre-orders for the stock they get on the 2nd. If you get in then you get one on the 2nd. Once those orders sold out they put the next date they expect another shipment on for orders that came in after yours.

Could be wrong but that is my understanding.
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When I looked at my pre order, it showed the cpu shipping March 2nd and the Motherboard shipping March 7th. I recommend checking your pre order status, just in case. I had pre ordered at Microcenter as well and they have mainboards in stock for the March 2nd release but not before that. I will be there around opening time on March 2nd, buy my stuff and then look around for a few hours. :)

Oops, I see I forgot to say, I cancelled my order from Newegg because of the 7th of March motherboard release. I have a Microcenter pre order in already and the mainboards are in stock for the March 2nd release. That is what I meant by I will be there for opening on March 2nd.

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ManofGod said:
When I looked at my pre order, it showed the cpu shipping March 2nd and the Motherboard shipping March 7th. I recommend checking your pre order status, just in case. I had pre ordered at Microcenter as well and they have mainboards in stock for the March 2nd release but not before that. I will be there around opening time on March 2nd, buy my stuff and then look around for a few hours. :)
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You got 5 days with just you and your chip... doh the waiting game is the worst.
 
Dude I have to do some MS training all week of the 6th. I will have all that equipment getting there on that Monday and can't do anything with it but have it sitting in the box while I'm stuck on the computer all day from home doing a virtual class. It will be TORTURE.

ManofGod I am pre-ordered on Amazon. Board still says March 2nd. CPU doesn't show any availability when I click the link but all that does is take you to the current product page for the item. You can no longer pre-order it - but it is still there in my Orders.
 
thesmokingman said:
You got 5 days with just you and your chip... doh the waiting game is the worst.
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Yeah, I forgot to say I cancelled my Newegg pre order, that is not worth it. (Especially since I did the pre order on the 22nd at 1130am and they still delayed the mainboard.)
 
By the way, does Microcenter allow someone to just walk in a buy up all the motherboards without a cpu purchase? Guess I am slightly concerned that someone will walk in, buy up all the boards that are in stock and try to flip them for a profit?
 
ManofGod said:
By the way, does Microcenter allow someone to just walk in a buy up all the motherboards without a cpu purchase? Guess I am slightly concerned that someone will walk in, buy up all the boards that are in stock and try to flip them for a profit?
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I don't think they limit MB's like they do with CPUs.
 
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