AMD Ryzen 1700X on the [H] Test Bench

OoooOOoOoOo.

What are the temps!?!
How high can it clock!?!
What voltage does it require!?!


What? This is what I do.
 
I'll be a happy consumer if Ryzen lives up to expectations. But I'm also looking down the road. Are they going to be able to keep pace with Intel now ...3,4 or 5. years from now, or longer? That's my real concern.
 
As someone who has been agitating to get [H]'s buying links more visible, I hope Kyle does this for EVERY product. I use adblocking, so I cannot see the "normal" links. Embedding them in his posts makes it easy for me to support [H].
Or you could just whitelist HardOCP and HardForum, please? I try my best to keep our ad content on topic and not distracting. Even the Google ads we run have been HEAVILY focused on the topic of tech. That said, if you see ads getting through that are not on topic, let me know, and I will blacklist those domains. Ads are how I pay everyone that produces all the content you read on our pages.
 
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Looking forward to the review here on H, glad to see you guys are getting straight to the real business and answering the most pertinent questions. How well does it OC? :D we'll find out soon I guess
 
I want to see what OC you can achieve with this just using XFR or whatever it's called and then swap in a top air cooler and do the same. It would be really nice to see you get X more performance by doing water over air (or not) instead of it "just runs cooler".
 
Any reason the water block is mounted with the springs up instead of springs down?

Yes. Those springs were developed more for LGA sockets than non-pinned sockets. I had better mating results with no springs during testing so I stuck with it. :)
 
Kyle, please tell me that you're going to test the scaling ability of Ryzen on one of the many multi-core games? According to this review, there are 6 major threads in:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/multi-core-cpu-scaling-directx-11,4768-2.html

Hitman
Metro: Last Light

And 8 major threads in:

Project CARS

I've also heard that Overwatch and Fallout uses 6 threads, and we know that Doom Vulkan uses tons of threads. If you could test these against the Core i5 (has a Ryzen 6-core competitor), aand a Core i7 (has a Ryzen 8-core competitor), you'd have a good chance of finding games that finally benefit from 6+ cores.

EDIT: Watch Dogs 2 uses more than 4 major threads, butt not sure how many:

http://www.gamersnexus.net/game-bench/2808-watch-dogs-2-cpu-benchmark-thread-intensive-game/page-2

Gears of War 4 uses more than 4 threads, but Tech Spot screwed-up and didn't open-up their 5960X by reducing the resolution, so it COULD use significantly more?

http://www.techspot.com/review/1263-gears-of-war-4-benchmarks/page4.html

You can just "simulate" 4, 6 and 8-cores with Ryzen 8-core, so you don't have to have multiple platforms.
 
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As someone who has been agitating to get [H]'s buying links more visible, I hope Kyle does this for EVERY product. I use adblocking, so I cannot see the "normal" links. Embedding them in his posts makes it easy for me to support [H].

If you unblock the main domain, please also remember to unblock the forum domain which is different. I've been coming to HardOCP for like 15 years and they have always done a good and honest job and I've never seen them shill for companies. I hope they will still be around for another 15 years. Please do not ad block this site if you enjoy the content.
 
I never used an adblocker because I knew that would screw with [H] income.

Did not know about whitelisting sites. So I will look into this.

Adblock Plus gives you a little button that makes blocking or unblocking a two-click affair.
 
There are a lot of "non-pussies" watching with extreme eagerness at what that little 1700x can do. Question is.. for those of us with H100i bought for 2500k/2600ks will a suitable adapter exist, will we need to fabricate something, or should we just buy a new water cooler?

You should query Corsair, as far as I can tell, they have been num on Ryzen.
They've been partially mum, I guess. I only quickly googled but wasn't able to immediately find a PR from Corsair stating anything, but there is this:
This states the compatible coolers from Corsair, and which ones will receive an adapter: https://www.overclock3d.net/news/cases_cooling/corsair_releases_socket_am4_compatibility_info/1
This just mainly reaffirms that: https://www.overclock3d.net/news/cases_cooling/corsair_releases_socket_am4_compatibility_info/1
This has two AMD folks who have responded with a list of manufacturers who HAVE officially stated something: www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/5njalf/am4_socket_cooling_support/ (Plus Cryorig and Alphacool, as per comments, and I am pretty sure Cryorig has theirs on sale at NewEgg)

(Wow... that auto-tagging a Reddit link is retarded! The question is irrelevant, it's the responses I'm linking for, so I don't want it embedded... I even tried to just make it a link and it still converted it -_- Ah, THERE... removing http solved it!)
 
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Two things keep me from pre-ordering:
1) Money...Currently in a state of...inexcess.
2) Results from third parties. I'm a little surprised I can order something without seeing tests that haven't been hosted by AMD in some way. Kind of like when a movie doesn't do screenings and then it bombs.

I really like what I'm seeing, but I'll wait for everything else to hit the fan first... I would love an 8C/16T processor for bluray encoding and DaVinci Resolve encoding.
 
There are a lot of "non-pussies" watching with extreme eagerness at what that little 1700x can do. Question is.. for those of us with H100i bought for 2500k/2600ks will a suitable adapter exist, will we need to fabricate something, or should we just buy a new water cooler?

I don't know about you but I got my H80 that I am using on my SB-E and that came out almost a year after SB came out and I have had the system 4.5 years now. Probably a good time to get a new cooler so you don't have to worry about the pump dying a year or so in.
 
is anyone aware of the "hardware fault with the ryzen cpus"? It may just be an AIDA64 issue though. idk.
 
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2) Results from third parties. I'm a little surprised I can order something without seeing tests that haven't been hosted by AMD in some way.

Kyle has strongly suggested us to preorder and even was kind enough to point toward the 1700x as the best alternative.

Considering the history of the relation between Kyle's reviews and AMD since the Nano days, such behavior on Kyle's part tells a lot about Ryzen, more than any in-depth review will ever do.
 
Just when I started to lose hope, Kyle Bennet has shown me the way :). I called up Koolance earlier this week to inquire into an adapter bracket for my 380A block, and they told me they would definitely have one for the 390 in a couple of weeks, but they weren't sure about the 380. Now if only I could get a scale paper template to use with my drill... Anybody here can hook a brotha up?
 
I am pretty excited to compare one of these to my 5820k. My 5820k's max OC with somewhat sane voltage is around 4.4Ghz, I run it at 4.3Ghz on a daily basis. If I can get a similar OC on all cores out of Ryzen I think I'd be content. That is my lesser [h] expectations, now if it can OC to 4.6Ghz or more on all cores, that would meet my more [H] expectations.
 
Man you're taunting us Kyle with that title.

Seriously though, while what you are doing is [H] for sure, please also show overclock potential with an AIO water, high end air too!
 
I have not posted in years.. Ryzen has me really excited and has me thinking about the old days again. I feel like a bear coming out of hibernation and hope I can finally retire my 2600k! Not a fanboy of either, but I sure love the competition again.
 
is anyone aware of the "hardware fault with the ryzen cpus"? It may just be an AIDA64 issue though. idk.
There was a bug that affects both SMT and uop cache, but supposedly that was solved. There was also persistent rumors of an issue with the IMC.
 
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It would be nice if you downclocked and disabled cores and try to overclock the other cores to see what results you can get.
 
Kyle, please tell me that you're going to test the scaling ability of Ryzen on one of the many multi-core games? According to this review, there are 6 major threads in:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/multi-core-cpu-scaling-directx-11,4768-2.html

Hitman
Metro: Last Light

And 8 major threads in:

Project CARS

I've also heard that Overwatch and Fallout uses 6 threads, and we know that Doom Vulkan uses tons of threads. If you could test these against the Core i5 (has a Ryzen 6-core competitor), aand a Core i7 (has a Ryzen 8-core competitor), you'd have a good chance of finding games that finally benefit from 6+ cores.

I have run overwatch on a variety of AMD configurations and i can tell you 4 thread is not enough on that game. My quad core cpus all hoover around 95-100% Oddly enough if i close the game and go back into it cpu utilization will drop to 75%. FPS between 60-90 on epic settings. My FX-8320e stock clocks fps was 110-130 -- then i swapped the ddr3 1600 for ddr3 2400 and my fps jumped 135-150. I sold off all those systems waiting for ryzen, using an HP ML350 G6 right now with an RX480 and getting 125-130fps -- but i have 16 threads. If you google overwatch, you will see a lot of threads where people even on newer core i5s having the same problem with cpu utilization.
 
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for those of us with H100i bought for 2500k/2600ks will a suitable adapter exist, will we need to fabricate something, or should we just buy a new water cooler?

I'd replace an AIO cooler that is that old. Maybe keep it as a backup, but I wouldn't rely on it for that long. Pumps only last so long.
 
Sorry to bother with a thought.
Please could you consider checking if Nvidia's Hairworks/PhysX is actually playable and improves with The Witcher 3 when one has 8C/16T.
Curious if it performs better with many cores as I thought it relied a lot on CPU or was that just PhysX.

Not sure anyone ever really tested these things.
Thanks

physX is intentionally a single threaded process when not being gpu accelerated.. hairworks i believe is fully gpu accelerated.
 
physX is intentionally a single threaded process when not being gpu accelerated.. hairworks i believe is fully gpu accelerated.
I have read mixed things about Hairworks and depends upon the developer, seems to suck equally on both AMD and Nvidia.
Thanks for heads-up on PhysX, kinda sucks.
I keep reading conflicting reports about Hairworks even for Witcher 3, although tessellation is a nightmare as most know with the hair, but it still has a computation element as well.
I tend to think your right but no-one seems to know for sure.
Cheers
 
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The anticipation of this release has got me a little [H]ard right now...just a little. Please don't give me blue balls again AMD.
 
physX is intentionally a single threaded process when not being gpu accelerated.. hairworks i believe is fully gpu accelerated.

Any idea where you saw the info on PhysX being single threaded?
Looking at this 2013 article it is multi-threaded support, but down to developer.
http://physxinfo.com/news/11327/multithreaded-performance-scaling-in-physx-sdk/

And of course you would not want to run these necessarily on the primary game cores.
So even PhysX (including cloth/destructives) used in games has the potential in theory to improve games with more cores, unless there is a very recent bit of info showing this changing.
Notice in the comments of that article, they used only 3 threads due to limitation scope of Peel development, but they do not think many will use more than 3; with 3 it makes a large difference in simulation times so gains after this point are possibly limited.
Seems to me it comes down to the developers, including for games and how well supported the company is by Nvidia.
Importantly this relies upon PhysX 3 and later versions.
Thanks
 
Great to see the 1700x getting some love and greater still to see the drill press come out!

New socket? Water block won't fit? BUY A NEW ONE!? Eff that!

Eagerly awaiting the [H] review.
 
I bought using your links on Amazon. I'm keeping the stuff in boxes wrapped and untouched until after reviews hit. Hypothetically speaking, say I return the item if the reviews don't meet my expectations, what happens to your commission? Do they cancel it out?
Commissions on returns are returned.
 
The old conspiracy rumour mill is moving up a gear. Latest is that review sites are getting lots of hints and suggestions on how to bench Ryzen.

"Cinebench may be seen as a non-representative benchmark for some but SemiAccurate is confident that Ryzen’s performance will hold up across a wide range of benchmarks. This last bit may explain why Intel PR sent out a last-minute “call us before you write” email to most of the press, but not SemiAccurate, after hours last night. You could infer that they are suddenly really worried about something. In case we read that wrong, they should be."
http://semiaccurate.com/2017/02/22/amds-ryzen-7-1800x-beats-intels-i7-6900k-half-price/


Can anyone from [H] confirm that they're hearing the same thing ...or have even had such suggestions made directly?
 
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