totally agree. instead of suspending accounts, they should update their applications to replace or remove inappropriate words.
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Twitter Is Cracking down on Politically Incorrect Language
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totally agree. instead of suspending accounts, they should update their applications to replace or remove inappropriate words.
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They should, and script it to replace it with a random noun/verb/adjective based on what they used. "I am so tired of these rabbits taking our jobs! go back to your floating country!"
Well, to be real, these people's comments were not limited to only the word retarded and the other words used or the import of the statement in it's entirety was sometimes harsh.
You know, the first guy's comments could have hit on the word fuck and not retard at all. Just saying.
I'm not so sold on the replacing text thing. Many of the words that get replaced are useful adjectives. I use such colorful language myself on occasion and when I do, I damn well do it on purpose and for effect. On occasion one would be correct in saying it was even abusive or insulting. Often times you could not make such a case. I think it would be very useful for individual users to set this as a preference in their settings. I've known people who just can't handle harsh language, so let them avoid it.
As for abusive comments. They are abusive despite the flourishes of harsh wording.
You know, the first guy's comments could have hit on the word fuck and not retard at all. Just saying.
I'm not so sold on the replacing text thing. Many of the words that get replaced are useful adjectives. I use such colorful language myself on occasion and when I do, I damn well do it on purpose and for effect. On occasion one would be correct in saying it was even abusive or insulting. Often times you could not make such a case. I think it would be very useful for individual users to set this as a preference in their settings. I've known people who just can't handle harsh language, so let them avoid it.
As for abusive comments. They are abusive despite the flourishes of harsh wording.
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There is no such thing as politically incorrect language. There is the truth, and then there are lies. Being politically correct means lying to others and yourself to make yourself feel better about sg. But ultimately it's a destructive detrimental practice to society. It's totalitarianism, in a disguise. Eg. you're not allowed to talk about the dark underbelly of society. Pretending that a problem doesn't exists doesn't solve the problem.
Calling retards disadvantaged, or challenged, won't make them get on better in life. It only makes the person talking feel better about themselves because "hey it doesn't sound that bad this way, it's not even a problem, I don't have to do anything to help them"
Calling retards disadvantaged, or challenged, won't make them get on better in life. It only makes the person talking feel better about themselves because "hey it doesn't sound that bad this way, it's not even a problem, I don't have to do anything to help them"
Interesting take on it. I don't doubt that this is correct for some people today.
I had an aunt and uncle who had three kids, every one had serious difficulties and they lived short lives. I never really met them even, in those days, retarded kids were sent to special facilities, they didn't stay at home if you could afford to send them to a "school".
And you are correct that pretending doesn't make a problem go away. But some problems cost too much or are too hard to fix which means they are not going to be fixed. In those cases, you do what you can to lessen the impact of the problem and suck up and deal with it.
Just like some here think the answer is to "cover it up" by replacing "bad words" with other words, or ****** cute little stars. Doesn't change someone's choice of language, it just hides it, covers it up. As they said here, it's the easy way to deal with it because trying to actually fix it isn't too hard. I prefer for those who are bothered by it being able to close their own eyes and ears. It doesn't fix the problem, but it minimizes the impact for those who are sensitive to it.
You can't fix everything, not in a practical way.
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At school I usually call my friend or friends faggots as a greeting. I've done it so much to a point where it lost its real meaning. The same thing can be said about retard too. Gotta love when I start yelling faggot at my friend then proceed to call him a retard with everybody looking my way; everyone is afraid to confront me btw since I'm a minority unlike my white friend that gets a lot of shit.
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I have never believed it was possible to say anything worth hearing in 146 characters to begin with. Twitter plays to a diminished value of context and reason. There's very little there that isn't fully dependent on something else, an event in the news you must already be aware of, or an article you must already have read... it's a lot like the comment section of an online article that cannot stand alone... you must have read the article. This is bubble thought. The right types of people will read an article and comment together, then the other right types of people will will attack that bubble of group think with a bubble of their own group think.
Social media in general and Twitter in particular is antagonistic to rational and independent thought by it's nature, so it should come as no surprise that they are expanding tools of censorship, and it will take no time whatsoever for moderators there to begin removing posts they don't like or don't agree with under the guise of hate speech, fake news, etc. All of this will simply drive the development of a new media. Just as the New York Times is answered by the Washington Post, and CNN is answered by Fox News, Twitter and Facebook will be answered by something else.
Social media in general and Twitter in particular is antagonistic to rational and independent thought by it's nature, so it should come as no surprise that they are expanding tools of censorship, and it will take no time whatsoever for moderators there to begin removing posts they don't like or don't agree with under the guise of hate speech, fake news, etc. All of this will simply drive the development of a new media. Just as the New York Times is answered by the Washington Post, and CNN is answered by Fox News, Twitter and Facebook will be answered by something else.
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While I do completely agree with your "dumbing down" sentiment.....I have to say it feels awesome to express a full thought and nail that fucking counter right on 0....with periods no less!
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While I totaly agree with "dumbing down" sentiment, feels awesome to express a full thought and nail the fucking counter right on 0,with periods too
his post wasnt a "take on it". Its actually factual and historically proven. Learn a bit more about social history and history of communicsm and war. Its a deep rabbit hole. But if you have brains to comprehend reality, very much an eye opener.
I must be retarded, but I have no idea what the word communicsm means. Does it mean that since there are no non-pc words we can all go around using racial slurs with impunity?
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stop being obtuse, you know he meant Communism.
They do expunge any positive replies to his twitter comments.
A kind of secondary psycological effect targetting someone near the middle. A false representation of the public response in hopes of using peer pressure to influence others.
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Or communication. Or both.
But yeah guys, feel free to use non-pc words in everyday conversations. It helps show your personality.
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You seem to be missing the point. Using a politically correct word in the same context doesn't make a slur any less offensive. It's not the words that are evil, it's the context they're used in. That's what the PC people can't seem to understand. You can't cure racism by banning words used in racial slurs.
It's like saying frak you. But everybody knows you mean fuck you, you're only making them think it instead of actually saying it yourself. There is no moral high ground there.
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Tampons for him, her, confused and questioning.
I think I see your point, and I have a "What the frak?" mug to prove it! I just don't think or behave in a manner to go around saying frak you or fuck you so it's a bit of an alien concept to me. Now calling my friend retarded for doing something stupid, I'm all for it!
HoffY, you want to call me out huh?
Show me your facts and your history then. Don't throw it out there like a frizby hoping nobody will catch it. See, I was around long before anyone dreamed up the phrase "Politically Correct". That means it hasn't always existed. M79 had a very clearly defined statement regarding the phrase and frankly I think it's over the top cause I know that this phrase had one meaning when it was "coined" which has become something else. My saying that M76 had an "interesting take on it" was an attempt to say "it's not that clear cut". But you say it's factual and historical, show me.
And I must admit, you have me at a disadvantage, I don't know what communicsm is. But since you associated the word with "war" and the word "political" is involved, I am going to go out on a limb here and answer as if you meant to type "communism". Before you answer, you should consider that I was born in Nurnberg German in 1960, a year before the Berlin Wall was built. I was 29 and was stationed at Fort Benning, GA. when the Berlin Wall fell. Nurnberg is less than an hours drive to what was Communist East Germany. Nurnberg is now commonly spelled Nuremburg, but it wasn't when I was young and I have always kept the old spelling to avoid explaining the discrepency.
So when you talk about learning some history, understand that I was alive and living, what you are calling history. I was 10 when history claims the term was born. But the term, it's real roots in communism, etc, I lived much of it. Mao's little red book isn't news to me.
And that is what's funny about this. Political Correctness began as a phrase meaning one thing. As words and phrases sometimes do, it's meaning changed because it's usage changed. Then, because of how it is now used, people want to take the newly associated ideas, and tie the phrase to the evolution of the ideas. But the use of the phrase was not linked to the ideas it has since become associated with. The earlier phrase was much more benign if you will.
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Its like Twitter is trying to speed up its demise.
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I'm not suggesting that everyone should go around pointing at problem kids laughing "Hey look at the retard!" That's disgusting. But the solution to that problem is not banning the word retard. It's no solution at all. We were using the "You're a retard" slur all the time among friends and there was nothing wrong about it everyone understood the context, and everyone knew that it's not about demeaning actual diagnosed retards.
When it comes to grand scale social problems I couldn't care less about some individuals feelings. You can't cater to everyone's feelings. First you need to cater to people's needs, then wants, and finally if we have the opportunity we can start worrying about feelings. But only when and if every single persons needs and wants are met.
I agree with you M76, I do.
But we have two parallel discussions going on here, or we are starting to go off topic to a degree.
When I first heard the term politically correct, i was in the Army and I would have to admit that the Army can be it's own social microcosm. An example would be the Command issues a new policy intended to correct a perceived problem. But the effect of this policy is seen as something else entirely by the troops, and the troops of course come up with a name for it that is somewhat, disparaging of the Command's efforts and not at all helpful in their eyes. Of course, the Command hears of this new nickname for their policy. And the Command might address the troops and explain what's going on, and why this new policy is in effect, and that the troops are not helping, and that their new favorite name for this policy is "not politically correct".
I think you can see that the term has evolved into something different today. I would also bet that you yourself already know this. This post is more about me explaining myself than about any disagreement I have with your position. My initial comment, "Interesting take on it. I don't doubt that this is correct for some people today." was specifically aimed at your comment "There is no such thing as politically incorrect language. There is the truth, and then there are lies. Being politically correct means lying to others and yourself to make yourself feel better................." This is certainly in line with how many people use and understand the phrase. There is just more to the phrase then that.
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To me that's a very different thing. You can't have people from an institution badmouthing the policies of said institute publicly, because it undermines their goals. But that's a corporate/institutional thing, and not a social one. If I think about this more this is the original meaning of politically correct speech. And the new meaning is the social justice version. social justice was never about politics, so we should technically call it socially correct language.
So when I'm saying politically correct language is a lie I'm talking about the social justice interpretation of things, and not that you have to talk a certain way about your employer. That's policy, social justice is madness, with no purpose.
Well Doc, in all fairness ..... we only know what we see
I think an Elephant is like a tree ........
Is M79 right?
Is he wrong?
Is he right given his experience with the subject?
It's actually fascinating watching this entire SJW vs Anti-SJ thing play out. It shows that no matter how noble a cause, someone is going to take it too far and someone is going to hate it. I also wonder if it'll get a chapter in some future history book.Well Doc, in all fairness ..... we only know what we see
I think an Elephant is like a tree ........
Is M79 right?
Is he wrong?
Is he right given his experience with the subject?
Don't you hate it when people get all reasonable. They take all the fun out of picking on the unreasonable.
Imagine if everyone stopped trying to solve the world's problems by arguing over them on the internet ...... which I don't think is actually solving anything BTW.
Maybe instead, we should have the moral courage to deal with what's in front of us because if we all started doing this, then it wouldn't need to make it to the internet to begin with.
So many people would be so shitty to each other all the time if they knew that others won't put up with that crap. I just don't think crying about it online is going to cut it.
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Social justice stands for equality of outcome. I'm a proponent of equal opportunity. Trying to achieve equality of outcome is inherently unjust, because it punishes overachievers, and rewards underachievers.
Wikipedia's definition appears to be more based on equal opportunity, but the second paragraph does mention Equality of outcome... I'll have to read this later. Thanks!
Personally, I'm also for equal opportunity, but yes, I'd modify equal outcome to fair outcome. Justice doesn't seem to be served by taking an unfair amount from someone who works harder and giving it to the lazy.
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I'm known for that, but thanks for noticing.