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You just wrinkled my brain....
I seriously didn't know they came in black! Somehow I never thought to google it either...
SUCH a good option to have - I wish all SATA cables were like this.
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NCASE M1: a crowdfunded Mini-ITX case (updates in first post)
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You just wrinkled my brain....
I seriously didn't know they came in black! Somehow I never thought to google it either...
SUCH a good option to have - I wish all SATA cables were like this.
Thanks Qrash!! Will the SATA express cable connector that covers/uses the two SATA port above help with the congested space between the motherboard and SFX-PSU? I will try the silverstone CP11 SATA cable in the mean time.
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Don't try to watercool the strix in the Ncase. It's not gonna fit. Don't get the EK-CoolStream PE 240. It will fit but it will only fit one way and it is crammed in. See me doing that here - http://i.imgur.com/aFaF0hw.jpg
The rad to get for the NCASE imo is the Black Ice Nemesis GTS. 30mm and the best performance at that size. Look into 90 degree fittings for most of your build. Also, the QDC are usally HUGE and don't think anyone outside of Koolance made fittings that will fit on the GPU. I use the Bitspower QDC on my side rad and they're so big.
http://imgur.com/a/JylRg
Don't try to watercool the strix in the Ncase. It's not gonna fit. Don't get the EK-CoolStream PE 240. It will fit but it will only fit one way and it is crammed in. See me doing that here - http://i.imgur.com/aFaF0hw.jpg
The rad to get for the NCASE imo is the Black Ice Nemesis GTS. 30mm and the best performance at that size. Look into 90 degree fittings for most of your build. Also, the QDC are usally HUGE and don't think anyone outside of Koolance made fittings that will fit on the GPU. I use the Bitspower QDC on my side rad and they're so big.
http://imgur.com/a/JylRg
Thanks for the feedback, you made me actually go read up on how different radiators perform. And your right it seems like a very good radiator, so I think I'll go for that one instead.
I'll remember to get something smaller than the strix.
About the QDCs, I dont need them to change out the gpu right? I can just drain the system and connect a new gpu right?
Current plan for the setup:
This comparison is great if anyone wants to see how different radiators compares: http://www.xtremerigs.net/2015/02/11/radiator-round-2015/6/
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Thanks for the feedback, you made me actually go read up on how different radiators perform. And your right it seems like a very good radiator, so I think I'll go for that one instead.
I'll remember to get something smaller than the strix.
About the QDCs, I dont need them to change out the gpu right? I can just drain the system and connect a new gpu right?
Current plan for the setup:
This comparison is great if anyone wants to see how different radiators compares: http://www.xtremerigs.net/2015/02/11/radiator-round-2015/6/
The FTW probably is going to fit either tbh but yeah you're right. The QDC just makes things slightly easier but aren't needed at all. If you want to swap out a part just drain, disconnect the part, etc.
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Thanks for the feedback, you made me actually go read up on how different radiators perform. And your right it seems like a very good radiator, so I think I'll go for that one instead.
I'll remember to get something smaller than the strix.
About the QDCs, I dont need them to change out the gpu right? I can just drain the system and connect a new gpu right?
Current plan for the setup:
This comparison is great if anyone wants to see how different radiators compares: http://www.xtremerigs.net/2015/02/11/radiator-round-2015/6/
Your best bet is either go with a reference GPU or one that is the same width, you need to stay as thin as possible to make sure you have clearance for your fittings. That is why I went with the FE, larger selection of water blocks also.
I second the Black Ice Nemesis radiator, I get extremely good cooling with mine. I have also seen many people complain about the amount of crap in EK radiators and the extensive flushing they had to do to get them clean. I didn't have that problem with the Black Ice.
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I just upgraded to an i7 7700k on an Asus Z270i Strix Gaming. I connected everything and turned the PC on, installed Windows etc. and now after I shutdown the PC the Power Switch isn't working at all. What could I have done wrong? I tried to disconnect power but it didn't help.
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Turns out that everything works fine as soon as I remove the GPU. Had this issue with my older GPU as well and now with the GTX 1080 too. Maybe the PSU is to weak?
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Turns out that everything works fine as soon as I remove the GPU. Had this issue with my older GPU as well and now with the GTX 1080 too. Maybe the PSU is to weak?
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StrawKite
It is going to be very tight fitting the EK pump/res on the bottom. That thing is roughly 40-42mm tall, which leaves really no clearance for the fill port. And a 1080 is going to go most of the length of the case. About the only way I see that working is if you turn it upside down and fill everything with the case upside down. You would then need to cut a hole in the bottom of the case. It might actually work well and double as a drain port. Anyways, the double DDC is absolute overkill you won't see any performance increase and may see a slight hit in performance because of the extra heat from the second DDC. I would go with the single pump unit.
Also bridging plug is unnecessary, a paperclip does the same job and you already have one
It is going to be very tight fitting the EK pump/res on the bottom. That thing is roughly 40-42mm tall, which leaves really no clearance for the fill port. And a 1080 is going to go most of the length of the case. About the only way I see that working is if you turn it upside down and fill everything with the case upside down. You would then need to cut a hole in the bottom of the case. It might actually work well and double as a drain port. Anyways, the double DDC is absolute overkill you won't see any performance increase and may see a slight hit in performance because of the extra heat from the second DDC. I would go with the single pump unit.
Also bridging plug is unnecessary, a paperclip does the same job and you already have one
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StrawKite
It is going to be very tight fitting the EK pump/res on the bottom. That thing is roughly 40-42mm tall, which leaves really no clearance for the fill port. And a 1080 is going to go most of the length of the case. About the only way I see that working is if you turn it upside down and fill everything with the case upside down. You would then need to cut a hole in the bottom of the case. It might actually work well and double as a drain port. Anyways, the double DDC is absolute overkill you won't see any performance increase and may see a slight hit in performance because of the extra heat from the second DDC. I would go with the single pump unit.
Also bridging plug is unnecessary, a paperclip does the same job and you already have one
StrawKite you can use Printermeow 's setup which you can see here. No need to flip the EK-SBAY DDC. Filling would be straight forward with a small funnel.
In fact - I would recommend against flipping the pump/res this as the impeller would then be placed exactly where air bubbles would gather.
Erasmus354 you are totally correct about the dual DDC though. Good spot, the single will be perfect...
Yes, PrinterMeows build is my main source of inspiration, thank you so much for showing me his build a few days ago.
Also about the filling: I could just not install the gpu and fill the loop first, before i pop the GPU into the PC?
Erasmus354 I will make sure to get the 1 pump version then, thanks.
rfarmer I didnt know there was a width problem. I guess I'll get the founders edition then. Thank you.
I see you guys recommend using 90 degree fittings, I see how that could be nice to avoid kinks.
What brand fittings do you recommend? "Looks" is not a big concern to me, but I do want the fittings to be very safe and secure so I can avoid leaks.
What brand cpu/gpu block would you recommend?
About tubing, I'm a complete noob, so it would probably be best to get some soft tubing right? I can always change it down the road.
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Would love to see a dual-DDC setup! If you decide to do that, go for the Aquacover dual-DDC as that gives options for inlet and outlet.This is what i have planned for my conversion to watercooling:
Gtx 1080 ti (when it arrives)
i7 7700k
EK supremacy evo
EK FC1080 ti GTX Strix - Acetal+Nickel
EK-SBAY Dual DDC 3.2 pump/res on case floor
EK-CoolStream PE 240 (will be mounted on the sidepanel)
EK-DuraClear 9,5/12,7mm 3M
8 fittings (no idea what angles to get, I still gotta figure this part out)
2 male and 2 female quick disconnect fittings, for the GPU
EK-ATX Bridging Plug (24 pin)
2 Noctua NF-F12 PWM (already own these)
This is how I plan to do it:
Should I use PETG tubing or just the normal stuff? I like a challenge.
Do you guys see any bottlenecks or problems with this setup?
It looks pretty cool, but it doesnt have a reservoir?
I'm after a GTX 1070 very soon.
Which GTX 1070's are you guys using?
Should I go for a blower or exhaust? If I go for a Founders Edition type one, which one should I get?
Which is also likely to be more quiet as well? I don't want to hear a jet taking off!
Which GTX 1070's are you guys using?
Should I go for a blower or exhaust? If I go for a Founders Edition type one, which one should I get?
Which is also likely to be more quiet as well? I don't want to hear a jet taking off!
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Also, anyone know if the GeForce GTX 1070 QUICK SILVER OC will fit in the NCASE M1?
I can get one of these reasonably cheap in the UK...
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_geforce_gtx_1070_quick_silver_8g_oc_review,31.html
I can get one of these reasonably cheap in the UK...
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_geforce_gtx_1070_quick_silver_8g_oc_review,31.html
Back with an update! I am incredibly pleased with the results of my build - especially the temps!
i7 7700K with Noctua NH-C14
Asus Z270i (for those of you wonering the RGB edge can be seen outside the case - see photo)
Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB 3200Mhz
Samsung 960 Pro 512GB (will add a 960 EVO to rear m.2 for additional storage when price drop)
Corsair SF600
Running 2 Darkside Gentle Typhoons on the side panel as intake on my Noctua C14 cooler (no bottom fan attached to the C14) and 1 Noctua (NF-A9x14) rear exhaust with Thermal Grizzly Kryonaught on the chip.
Wow! The C14 takes the grand prize here for air coolers the M1 can fit... I'm looking at 26-27C idle and 68-69C load on Prime95 26.6 SFF test! This is with 2 intake fans, 1 exhaust fan, no bottom fans, and no 2nd C14 bottom fan! The Kryonaught thermal paste basically illuminated the need run a bottom C14 fan.
As a side note: I tried running 2 additional gentle typhoons on the bottom and they did absolutely nothing to temps but in fact made them 1-2C worse on the CPU and didn't add much if anything to my 1080 FE. (big waste and greatly discouraged to new builders).
I'm still waiting on my custom cables to come in, a reverse power plug, and that 92x15mm ID COOLING fan from hong kong.
i7 7700K with Noctua NH-C14
Asus Z270i (for those of you wonering the RGB edge can be seen outside the case - see photo)
Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB 3200Mhz
Samsung 960 Pro 512GB (will add a 960 EVO to rear m.2 for additional storage when price drop)
Corsair SF600
Running 2 Darkside Gentle Typhoons on the side panel as intake on my Noctua C14 cooler (no bottom fan attached to the C14) and 1 Noctua (NF-A9x14) rear exhaust with Thermal Grizzly Kryonaught on the chip.
Wow! The C14 takes the grand prize here for air coolers the M1 can fit... I'm looking at 26-27C idle and 68-69C load on Prime95 26.6 SFF test! This is with 2 intake fans, 1 exhaust fan, no bottom fans, and no 2nd C14 bottom fan! The Kryonaught thermal paste basically illuminated the need run a bottom C14 fan.
As a side note: I tried running 2 additional gentle typhoons on the bottom and they did absolutely nothing to temps but in fact made them 1-2C worse on the CPU and didn't add much if anything to my 1080 FE. (big waste and greatly discouraged to new builders).
I'm still waiting on my custom cables to come in, a reverse power plug, and that 92x15mm ID COOLING fan from hong kong.
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No, the card is 5.51" wide and max in the ncase is 5.50". You would have no way of plugging in your pci power.
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They are all the same. They are manufactured by nVidia itself and not the individual vendors.
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xcharlesy do you have more photos that you can share? I'm planning a build with the C14 too, if I can find a trusty retailer in Europe.
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My son's M1 has a Gigabyte GTX 1070 G1 Gaming. It has 3 fans and is large, but fits easily into the M1. So far the noise from it has been fine and that's without any bottom fans.
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Any graphics card that is close to the M1's height limit (5.5 inches or 140 mm) has to have recessed PCI-E power sockets. Gigabyte and Asus seems to have incorporated recessed power sockets more than MSI has.
If you have not quite enough room for the PCI-E power cables and connectors, you can buy low profile 90 degree PCI-E adapter cables.
sure! as soon as I get my cables and new 92mm fan this week I will post some final pics with the side panel off etc.. if you want anything specific you can pm me
Rhialto I meant who else does the blower type ones.
The MSI GeForce GTX 1070 AERO OC 8GB is reasonably cheap in the UK but I'm not sure if it is any good.
https://www.msi.com/Graphics-card/GeForce-GTX-1070-AERO-8G-OC.html#hero-overview
The MSI GeForce GTX 1070 AERO OC 8GB is reasonably cheap in the UK but I'm not sure if it is any good.
https://www.msi.com/Graphics-card/GeForce-GTX-1070-AERO-8G-OC.html#hero-overview
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Is your SF600 intake fan facing into the center of the M1 or towards the side panel? Quite a few people have mounted theirs facing the center of the case, across from an intake fan on the side bracket. This feeds cool filtered air into the SF600 and may delay its fan from spinning.
Below is my son's M1 build and you can see his SF450 mounted with the intake facing inwards, across from a Noctua NF-A15 PWM fan. The SF450 fan almost never spins. Perhaps in this orientation your power cable will fit better, as it is this photo. Note, the bend in the power cable is pressing against the M1 frame, not the optical drive. It would be undesirable to have the power cable pressing (through the adjacent long slot at the top of the frame) against the relatively fragile bottom of the optical drive.
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I only know those 2, ASUS Turbo and MSI Aero. But I'm not actively looking into this since I'm not close to building a new computer... but I keep an eye.
Interesting... any article or review?
my PSU is the other way around, and I think it's working great!
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Ok, it was just a suggestion to help you use the existing power cable. Yes, your temperatures are very good.
appreciate the tip though! and yes it does seem like the fan is basically never spinning unless im stressing the gpu. I have to say obsessing over this build the case really is way smaller in person than all the photographs I looked at!
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Yeah I have to agree, it is difficult to visual just how small this case really is until you actually have your hands on one.
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Well, I can't seem to find the posts I was referring to. I did find only one review at Geeks3D. At the end of that review it states there is no 0 rpm mode and under load the fan is noisy.
At the Guru3D site krusher_r stated that his MSI Aero 8G OC was silent.
On Reddit a member posted that these cheaper blower coolers are inferior to the ones on the Founders Edition cards.
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Man I'm jealous you were able to find a C14. How are the temps of the 960 holding up sharing the heatsink with the chipset?
Have you tried any overclocking with the 270 yet?
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Finally joining the Ncase master race in a few weeks or so.
Parts going in:
Gigabyte GA-Z170N-Gaming 5
6700K with Phanteks PH-TC14CS
Corsair AF120s on the side
Corsair SF600 with some Cablemod Custom Cables (copied someone's measurements, lol)
Sapphire Tri-X Fury (darxider said the Tri-X 290x fit and that the Fury should work, not to mention it is cheaper than a 1070/1080)
Samsung 256GB 2.5in SSD
Samsung 850 Evo 500GB
Random 2.5in Storage Drive From Some Laptop
I tried looking for potential conflicts and I couldn't find any except a complete confirmation on the Fury fitment. If anyone has some knowledge to impart, please help an Ncase bro out.
Parts going in:
Gigabyte GA-Z170N-Gaming 5
6700K with Phanteks PH-TC14CS
Corsair AF120s on the side
Corsair SF600 with some Cablemod Custom Cables (copied someone's measurements, lol)
Sapphire Tri-X Fury (darxider said the Tri-X 290x fit and that the Fury should work, not to mention it is cheaper than a 1070/1080)
Samsung 256GB 2.5in SSD
Samsung 850 Evo 500GB
Random 2.5in Storage Drive From Some Laptop
I tried looking for potential conflicts and I couldn't find any except a complete confirmation on the Fury fitment. If anyone has some knowledge to impart, please help an Ncase bro out.
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Looking forward to your pics as well.
Just finished a very similar build tonight (same mobo, cooler / fan set up, ram and psu). If you don't mind, I have a quick question about your Noctua installation...
What's the orientation of the C14 in your case?
The only way I could get the C14 to fit was with the heat pipes facing the towards the rear of the case and still the C14 heat pipes press against the mobo heatsink (The heatsink on the rear of the motherboard near the I/O).
It's not a lot of interference, but enough that I could see the motherboard heat sink deflect a little bit when I tightened down the C14. No issues with the performance of the PC and the temperatures are great but the interference bugs me. I may end up looking at new cooler....
Thanks in advance!
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Check the compatibility sheet under the "Does this Fit?" tab, there are a couple notes on the Tri X Fury. Says it will fit but bottom fans won't.
I am waiting for my Asus Z270i to arrive for my build with a C14. I am also wondering about the clearance between de heatpipes of the cooler and the heatsink of the motherboard!
xcharlesy : Are the heatpipes touching the mobo's heatsink?
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Here's a photo showing what I am talking about...
FYI, I can slide a piece of paper between the top most pipe and the mobo heat sink but the paper will not slide past the 2nd pipe. In other words, it seems like the top most pipe has clearance but the 2nd pipe is touching the mobo heat sink.
To be clear, the interference in my system is really small and the deflection on the mobo heatsink is quite small as well (about the thickness of a piece of paper). I am not concerned just curious if anyone had seen this.
Here's a photo showing what I am talking about...
FYI, I can slide a piece of paper between the top most pipe and the mobo heat sink but the paper will not slide past the 2nd pipe. In other words, it seems like the top most pipe has clearance but the 2nd pipe is touching the mobo heat sink.
To be clear, the interference in my system is really small and the deflection on the mobo heatsink is quite small as well (about the thickness of a piece of paper). I am not concerned just curious if anyone had seen this.
Yes! Mine is in fact exactly the same, it definitely is applying little to no pressure on the shield and is of no concern to me. If you see the pic in the quote above the heat pipes curve is very similar to the shield angle. I also tried fitting a piece of paper in between the shield and heatsync and was able to push it down to the 3rd heat pipe, so I think its gently resting against it with no force.
The C14 and Z270i are both too good to pass on, and I would not worry about it one bit. You simply can't find a MITX board with better features, or a cooler that allows for such little use of fans with temps at or below what a AIO would give you. I almost crammed a h100i or h75i and looking back I have to laugh over all the stress I felt debating coolers for this little case. I really think a 5GHz OC is within range on the C14 in the Ncase now.
Also about the m.2 shield, does it actually make a difference? well my Samsung 960 Pro is running idle at a constant 35C while being my main boot volume - which is what I'd expect in a mid or full tower with sufficient air flow. Can't wait to add a 1 TB Evo to the back with the simple pop of the case!
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Outstanding, thanks for the reality check. Glad to read we are the same page!