I had an extended online debate with an editor for one of the electric car magazines. He was a very cool guy and I can understand how some people may really enjoy their electric cars. IMO gas cars are a lot more fun and convenient. Plus you are trading some emission issues for nasty toxic battery issues with EV's...I don't go one way or the other, the Miata is to wild to be used as a DD. So I have a "normal" car for that job, and an EV was looked at HARD when I bought it, I borrowed my friends Leaf to test this out a few times. He is also a car guy with a heavy modded turbo (street) 370z, we find EVs really cool, and I have had the chance to drive a low 10 second EV at the track a number of times. I know what you mean however, about the general "type" that tend to be into EVs, just not everyone follows that rule.
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17x9 semi slicks on mine, traction problems into 3rd. Trying to do a fully built 2.5L swap by the start of next year which will put me in the 450 range. It's a bit crazy, but gobs of fun, still debating on removing the SCCA roll bar and going full cage for more track events.
While I understand environmental issues...It's not a thing for me. For a DD it's all about ROI and a few features I want/need, outside of that I could care less if it ran on unicorn farts. EVs are not there for ROI just yet however, even being heavily subsidized. I love EV tech however, but I love anything new, I can see it having its place, if not the main place in transportation in the future, it is just not there yet in most cases.
Yeah 200 mile trips to see Robert Daltry I only do that once or twice a year. The rest of time I commute in the city so I could just rent, or maybe I could ask Robert to come see me.
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At 450, you definitely want to be installing a full roll cage. You probably already know Brian Goodwin, it sounds like you and he have a similar idea on track Miatas. He helped me a lot when I first built up mine, but sadly I never finished going down the road of insanity. I keep saying, once I get a bigger garage... but that happened and still haven't turned the current one or bought another into a full track machine. I used to have a Z-06 that was fully track setup, but the cost and time involved kinda stole some of the fun.
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Z-06 are fun, if not more so and can be made LOTS faster for cheaper than a Miata...But over all the building is really the small cost, it is the consumables if you track that bleed you dry. Single track day and pads/rotors can be shot on the vette, but might last a half/full season on the Miata, same with tires, in the same time the vette eats a whole set, you can go 4 times as long on the same set with the Miata, the weight loss can really be seen in how easy the Miata is on these two things. Tires and brakes are also night and day cheaper on the Miata. For a street car though, the vette is the way to go, as tires and brakes are not pushed, and it cruises so well. Then again, you have to push the vette so hard on the street to have fun, while the Miata I can toss around at 40mph and have a huge grin. There are so many plus and minuses of each it is hard.
the debate on the cage is it is still driven on the street a lot and I don't wear a helmet at all times, bashing my head into a bar if I crash on the street is no fun. I don't do many big track events, so speeds are pretty normal over all and lots of autox, but some of the events are getting so full that actual seat time is low in autox compared to track time.
At night, yup. And the morning too, don't forget to walk around and unplug your charger, lest you have an accident.
And that's Monday night, Tuesday night, Wednesday night, Thursday night, Friday night, Saturday night, Sunday... oh Jesus, I forgot to plug in the car last night! Can I make it there and back on half a charge. *bites nails* Going to call in to work and let the guys know I'm going to be late this Monday morning.
I have a 10.5 gallon tank and at 32mpg average, and that means I fill up about every 300 miles, and I can fill up whenever the fuel light comes on wherever I am, and don't have to top the vehicle off every day. So realistically, that's about once a WEEK fillups, and I can park wherever the heck I want to park, and not limited to parking where I have my car charger. And if I'm cruising over to San Antonio, hey, check it out, they have gas stations not only in San Antonio but on the way as well. Convenient!
People are also acting like the Model 3 will be this good performing nimble car, completely forgetting that weight is the enemy of performance. Its a fatass 4.3K pounds, compared to say a Toyota Prius C, Hyundai Accent, or Honda Fit which tip the scales at 2.5K lbs each. Heck, the Model 3, despite being reasonably small, will have the same curb weight as my dad's 6.4 liter nearly 500hp/ftlbs super roomy full size Dodge Charger Scat Pack.
Mostly they prefer to just fart into an empty wine glass, swirl it, and sniff satisfyingly at the bouquet while remarking on how they are saving the planet. If a deplorable tries to spark up a conversation though, they may try to remove and distract themselves by dabbling into a few liquor candies while browsing weird German fetish porn on their mobiles to seem occupied.thejokker said:
At night, yup. And the morning too, don't forget to walk around and unplug your charger, lest you have an accident.
And that's Monday night, Tuesday night, Wednesday night, Thursday night, Friday night, Saturday night, Sunday... oh Jesus, I forgot to plug in the car last night! Can I make it there and back on half a charge. *bites nails* Going to call in to work and let the guys know I'm going to be late this Monday morning.
I have a 10.5 gallon tank and at 32mpg average, and that means I fill up about every 300 miles, and I can fill up whenever the fuel light comes on wherever I am, and don't have to top the vehicle off every day. So realistically, that's about once a WEEK fillups, and I can park wherever the heck I want to park, and not limited to parking where I have my car charger. And if I'm cruising over to San Antonio, hey, check it out, they have gas stations not only in San Antonio but on the way as well. Convenient!
People are also acting like the Model 3 will be this good performing nimble car, completely forgetting that weight is the enemy of performance. Its a fatass 4.3K pounds, compared to say a Toyota Prius C, Hyundai Accent, or Honda Fit which tip the scales at 2.5K lbs each. Heck, the Model 3, despite being reasonably small, will have the same curb weight as my dad's 6.4 liter nearly 500hp/ftlbs super roomy full size Dodge Charger Scat Pack.
Mostly they prefer to just fart into an empty wine glass, swirl it, and sniff satisfyingly at the bouquet while remarking on how they are saving the planet. If a deplorable tries to spark up a conversation though, they may try to remove and distract themselves by dabbling into a few liquor candies while browsing weird German fetish porn on their mobiles to seem occupied.
You quite literally have no idea. That is not the way it is.
It comes down to this. If you can afford the car and it fits your lifestyle (daily driving habits all the way to gender identification) then it most likely will work for you. If you can't afford it and it doesn't fit your lifestyle (see previous) then it most likely will not work for you.
That's it. There isn't anything else.
For many people, yes, the electric car doesn't work. For others, it'll work perfectly fine. Easily half the people I work with will do fine with an electric car. They go back and forth from work and if they have to go home due to a relative dying, well...they have to get on a plane. Can't drive from Germany back to the states. At the same time though, all of us here aren't paying taxes, since we aren't in the states. So we don't benefit from the tax credit, when purchasing an electric car. There's also the option to be solely electric and if such a situation arised needing long distance driving, you can get a rental car.
I'm not saying electric cars are perfect, but I do find they are perfectly fine to go mainstream. All cars have some kind of inconvenience, it's whether you can deal with those inconveniences. A truck isn't practical. An SUV isn't practical. A sports car isn't practical. Yet, how many people drive then? EVs will simply be the same and people will choose to drive them. Just because it's impractical, doesn't mean it can't become a mainstream product.
It's not practical for me, why I don't own one. I definitely don't think it's "green" car. My 96 and 2000 Impreza is probably more green than a new EV, even if I get shitty gas mileage.
"If" Electric cars become mainstream than the pollution associated with the manufacture and disposal of the rather toxic batteries is going to increase significantly... I get rather good performance from my VW GTI and 35 mpg during my 82 mile daily commutes.